WHOA--Did anyone else hear about this?

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    I seem to remember a similiar case in one of Dodman's books.  I believe it was Dogs Behaving Badly.  If someone has it on their shelf (Spiritdogs?) could you check?  I also think it wasn't a pit bull but some other large maybe mastif type dog.  So, yes, I do believe this is possible, rare, unusual, odd, but possible.
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    mudpuppy
    is it physically possible for a dog to "tie" with a human?

    A "tie" normally occurs when the male dog penetrates the female and then the bulbo-urethral glands along the penis swell up.  Separating the male and the female before the glands go down can cause severe damage to the female.
     
    If the humans pulled the boy away from the dog before the glands went down, then their ignorance may be responsible for the damage to the boy.
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    ORIGINAL: janet_rose

    is it physically possible for a dog to "tie" with a human?

    A "tie" normally occurs when the male dog penetrates the female and then the bulbo-urethral glands along the penis swell up.  Separating the male and the female before the glands go down can cause severe damage to the female.
     
    If the humans pulled the boy away from the dog before the glands went down, then their ignorance may be responsible for the damage to the boy.

     
    Oh my gosh . . . .
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    And for the record I have seen horses breed and yes, the males are very ineffectual. 
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    ORIGINAL: tashakota

    Not that I've ever witnessed this myself, but my understanding is that dogs "tie" and can not come apart until the, um, "swelling" decreases.  Perhaps they did not realize this at the time they were beating the dog so they felt the dog was just hangin' on 'cause he wanted too. 

     
    Ouch! Really?  Patton loves to greet me with a "red rocket" when my BFand I get home from work. It is so gross (although comical). It's grosser to think it actually gets bigger than that and can't, um, deflate until... you know...
     
    I don't know anything about dog mating so you are probably right....
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    Ahh...never even thought of that. Wow...
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    ORIGINAL: agilebasenji

    I seem to remember a similiar case in one of Dodman's books.  I believe it was Dogs Behaving Badly.  If someone has it on their shelf (Spiritdogs?) could you check?  I also think it wasn't a pit bull but some other large maybe mastif type dog.  So, yes, I do believe this is possible, rare, unusual, odd, but possible.


    I remember that!  I read that recently (like in the last 6 months) and he does mention a case.
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    ORIGINAL: janet_rose

    is it physically possible for a dog to "tie" with a human?

    A "tie" normally occurs when the male dog penetrates the female and then the bulbo-urethral glands along the penis swell up.  Separating the male and the female before the glands go down can cause severe damage to the female.
     
    If the humans pulled the boy away from the dog before the glands went down, then their ignorance may be responsible for the damage to the boy.


    That's exactly what I was thinking probably happened, just didn't know how to word it right [:-]  And I can only imagine how painful that size difference must be between a pit sized dog and a toddler [:o]
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    ORIGINAL: janet_rose

    is it physically possible for a dog to "tie" with a human?

    A "tie" normally occurs when the male dog penetrates the female and then the bulbo-urethral glands along the penis swell up.  Separating the male and the female before the glands go down can cause severe damage to the female.
     
    If the humans pulled the boy away from the dog before the glands went down, then their ignorance may be responsible for the damage to the boy.


    This was my thought too. I know that in bizarre cases of sexual abuse, it often turns out that a family member or step-parent is very often the actual perpetrator. But, I tend to think this story is essentially accurate, especially since it has apparently been corroborated by witnesses outside the family. It could still turn out to be that the abuse was actually inflicted by a human, but for now, my money is on the dog having done it. I suspect that there really was a tie, and that people who don't know about the mechanics of dog reproduction understandably panicked and made the situation worse by trying to force a separation. It was a horrible incident, probably made worse by the reaction of witnesses, but I can't say that I blame people for not knowing what to do and not do in a situation like this.

    I do think it is very unfortunate that this is being labeled as sexual "assault" though. I know that in the case of humans, sexual abuse really is about violence and acts of aggression, rather than sex per se, but really, if this occured as described, I don't think that what the dog did was an aggressive act. The dog was acting on an instinctive urge, and horrific as it was, I don't see it as being an "assault" or an attack or an aggressive act. Of course, from the child's point of view, the dog's motives don't matter one bit. But from the point of view of whether this dog is inherently dangerous, I don't think that is necessarily so. I have very little tolerance for companion animals that are truly aggressive toward humans unless severely provoked. But I think that this dog could probably be quite safe with just a bit of minor surgery and ownership by an average dog owner who had an average amount of common sense.

    Although I do think that there is often a "blame the victim" mentality amongst dog-people when a dog attack occurs, I don't think that the discussion in this thread falls into that category. People are discussing the plausibility of whether a dog can actually have a tie with a human. While people have repeated the mantra that dogs and toddlers shouldn't be left alone for even brief periods, no one is coming close to blaming the victim here.
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    If this really did happen as reported, which it seems it may have according to the very knoweldgable breeders we have here, then I really hope the dog doesn't get put down. It wasn't an aggressive act, just a...confused one. I wouldn't blame the family for not wanting the dog any more, but I don't think it deserves to die. It was a terrible accident but the dog didn't have malicious intent, he didn't mean to harm the kid. I hope they can (neuter! and then) rehome the dog instead of destroying it. That would really be a shame.
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    ORIGINAL: houndlove

    If this really did happen as reported, which it seems it may have according to the very knoweldgable breeders we have here, then I really hope the dog doesn't get put down. It wasn't an aggressive act, just a...confused one. I wouldn't blame the family for not wanting the dog any more, but I don't think it deserves to die. It was a terrible accident but the dog didn't have malicious intent, he didn't mean to harm the kid. I hope they can (neuter! and then) rehome the dog instead of destroying it. That would really be a shame.


    The problem with that one is most people aren't going to want the dog that was in the news for 'sodomizing' a child... [&o]
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    ORIGINAL: Nikki_Burr

    ORIGINAL: houndlove

    ... It was a terrible accident but the dog didn't have malicious intent, he didn't mean to harm the kid. I hope they can (neuter! and then) rehome the dog instead of destroying it. That would really be a shame.


    The problem with that one is most people aren't going to want the dog that was in the news for 'sodomizing' a child... [&o]



    Yeah, and as Timsdat's post on the previous page shows, one would have to be very cautious about adopting the dog out to someone who did want a dog with this history. Not that everyone who would be interested in this dog would have perverse intentions, but it would definitely be a possiblity that would have to be considered with any potential adoptor. This is truly tragic for the child, and justified or not, I am guessing that the outcome will be tragic for the dog as well.
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    Wow.  that's all I can say is wow.....
     
    Now I have to call my mom near Buffalo and see if it was in their newspapers and on the news and what they said........
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    ORIGINAL: Xerxes

    ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

    I'm guessing they are blaming the pit bull for some human's act.


    My thinking exactly.


    I will third the motion.  Dang people...[:'(]
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    This story has a link to video of a news report:http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/8419972.html