WHOA--Did anyone else hear about this?

This is awful... Well Kali won't be having nekkid time with the dogs around anymore...

Someone pointed out something about a toddler being alone NAKED with the dog being wierd.  I agree leaving a child alone with the dog is not good, but toddlers are known for undressing.  Geez even Kali has a thing with undoing her diaper, for this reason I have to keep shorts on her when she's sleeping even when its stifling in her room.  That kid may have been fully clothed while his mom ran downstairs to get the laundry...

ORIGINAL: sillysally

Oh for heaven sakes, the breed had nothing to do with this.  I got this link from a lab board, and pretty much all the members there were FAR more critical of the parents and the situation than the members here have been.  Maybe they are all secretly pit bull owners.  Maybe the labs in those pic really aren't labs at all.  What is it with the reactiveness of this board lately?  If I'd known Bob was going to go off on a pit bull conspirisy theory tangent I would never have posted this.

This has nothing to do with a  Pit Bull conspiracy, it is just that I see the same type  comments posted  whenever a PB is mentioned in a news article, and that is that the reports must   be fabricated or false, despite numerous witnesses in many cases. Obviously, the owner of the dog, who was one of the witnesses most certainly knows what kind of dog they got.

ORIGINAL: ark3

I don't care if it's a Pitt Bull of any other dog. I'm curious to know why so many people were needed to pull the dog off the boy? Hummmm? I would think a grab of the collar and and nice hard yank would be enough to pull the dog right off.... hardly necessary for several people to kick the dog. It wasn't being aggressive (as the Humane Society guy stated, there weren't even any bites!). So I find it hard to believe that extreme force was necessary to remove the dog from the kid. Maybe I'm totally wrong. I hope I'm totally worng. That last thing anyone needs now is for people for cry out that Pit Bulls are not only "killers" but also "rapists". Grrreeaat....

You ever try to break up large dogs that are mating? 

Someone pointed out something about a toddler being alone NAKED with the dog being wierd. I agree leaving a child alone with the dog is not good, but toddlers are known for undressing. Geez even Kali has a thing with undoing her diaper, for this reason I have to keep shorts on her when she's sleeping even when its stifling in her room. That kid may have been fully clothed while his mom ran downstairs to get the laundry...

I agree, it's not that weird.  Especially since it's summer.  When I was little, I rarely wore any type of clothing all summer, it was too hot and my mom didn't care if we were naked or topless in our own house/yard.

Frankly, I don't think this has a thing to do with the breed, and quite honestly, I'd bet money it isn't the dog either.  Unfortunately I've seen far far too much abuse humans have wrecked on babies and then it suddenly becomes the dog's fault.  I've also seen sad sad cases of dogs 'trained' (and abused) sexually.  Weirdness exists in the world and in order to 'cover' damage some human has done, the dog'll get the rap every time.  This is about a child so badly mutilated it had to have medical treatment.  That's not gonna be the family dog.  It would have produced horrific screams - and if there are this many people saying "it's the dog" then where the heck were they all when the 'dog' was alone with the child? 
 
It's not the dog.  But just like so often, I'd bet this dog is taking the blame (and may die) for the 'fault' of a human.  And other humans enabling them to save face.

ORIGINAL: calliecritturs

Frankly, I don't think this has a thing to do with the breed, and quite honestly, I'd bet money it isn't the dog either.  Unfortunately I've seen far far too much abuse humans have wrecked on babies and then it suddenly becomes the dog's fault.  I've also seen sad sad cases of dogs 'trained' (and abused) sexually.  Weirdness exists in the world and in order to 'cover' damage some human has done, the dog'll get the rap every time.  This is about a child so badly mutilated it had to have medical treatment.  That's not gonna be the family dog.  It would have produced horrific screams - and if there are this many people saying "it's the dog" then where the heck were they all when the 'dog' was alone with the child? 

It's not the dog.  But just like so often, I'd bet this dog is taking the blame (and may die) for the 'fault' of a human.  And other humans enabling them to save face.

If this is not the dog's fault , how do you explain this quote from the news article after the police investigated the incidents and talked to multiple  witnesses?

"His name is Bear. A young pit bull being held at the Niagara County SPCA after an shocking incident Sunday. "Initial investigation showed that the family pet male pit bull had sodomized the 2 year old boy." Det. Capt. Larry Eggert says the mother was changing the baby's diaper and briefly left the room. "She heard some screams, returned very quickly found the dog in the act of doing what it was doing. She screamed apparently that must have caused the dog to become afraid." The dog ran outside, still attached to the boy. Neighbors stepped in to help, beating on the dog to get it off the boy."

While I don't doubt that this did happen, what I find odd is that this child did not struggle or scream while the dog was attempting to do his thing. My niece just turned 3 and that kid does not stay in one place and she's got a big mouth. Hell, she screams at the dogs if they so much look at her while she eats(Nina Monkeybutt just loves to eat and doesn't like sharing []). I would think if the dog jumped on the kid, the kid would've freaked out and screamed to the point where the mother would've ran to see what was wrong before the act could've happened.
 
In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to the story involving animal and child sexual abuse here. It was probably going on for a while and things went bad to the point where the child was injured, you now have a witness(the neighbor) so now the parents are trying to do whatever they can to cover their arses.

What I find interesting is that the mother says she was changing the kids diaper and left the room for a minute.  I've never seen a mom walk away from a kid mid-diaper change.  They gather up all that stuff ahead of time, so no need to leave the kid unattended.  And if the kid was laying on it's back (because isn't that how you change a diaper?) then I question the ability of the dog to actually hit the mark.

I have no idea if this really happened or not.  I do know my husband has a book about wolves and it shows a pair actually tied running off together.  I was amazed at that.  I am not sure wher the book is or I would try to scan and post the picture.  It also talks about the damage that can be done to the female if forced apart.
 
Okay, my one neice has been nortorious for removing all her clothes since she was about 18 months old.  Now at 4, she has stopped doing this.  i agree with the post that say you don't remove your baby's diaper and walk off.  i never did that with either of my boys nor any of my grandkids.
 
Also, do you really think she would admit she had got busy on the phone, stopped to watch the ending of a soap opera, or even fell asleep and left her baby unattended?  I don't think so.  That would make her out to be a bad mom and i know she wouldn't want that.
 
So if true, it is the fault of human/humns that this happened.

Bob I think the point you are missing, is that no matter what a dog does, the humans that take care of the dog are ultimately responsible for it.  That in itself puts fault on the human and not the dog.  No one is saying the dog was unwilling or forced into the act, just that there should never have been the opportunity.  That is the fault of the mother.  The extensive damage done to the boy is the fault of the people that tried to force the dog from the boy too soon, albeit that was probably ignorance on the part of the people.  The dog certainly wouldn't have gone running around with the boy on his own, as that was probably pretty painful for him as well.

The whole thing sounds pretty accurate.  It seems like what would happen once the dog was tied.  The only thing I don't understand is why the dog would do it in the first place unless it was a 'humpy' kind of dog.  We've all known those types.

I also wanted to add that at least once a day I leave Kali diaperless after a changing for a few minutes.  Especially when its hot and muggy out.  She loves to be nekkid and will play happily on the floor on a blanket for hours I'm sure if I let her.  Any baby book will tell you its a good idea to let the baby air out once in a while.  Its good for the skin.  Oh and the reason she is on the floor is because given the chance she's flipped over and on the go.  A two year old is even more agile.  They are not gonna stay on thier back while mom goes to get herself a glass of juice.  So the only thing I can see that this mom did wrong is that she left the baby unattended with the dog.  We here all know not to do that, but its not an uncommon mistake.  And I would hardly label this mom as a bad mom for doing it.

The story is disturbing, and I also agree with Gina.
 
But, what makes me even more disturbed is the arcticle makes it seem like the dog had malicious intent to rape the boy. That.. would be the far-fetched part of the story.

None of the story hangs together -- "neighbors" -- folks already there in the yard with whoever??  "buddies" of someone in the family? 
 
The news article, at the very least, is biased.  It's out to sell a sensational story.  And unfortunately I have very little confidence in the ability of some newspeople to report anything that resembles truth when they think they've 'got a story'. 
 
Did you ever know someone who was a pathological liar?  One of the easiest ways to tell a liar like that is the fact that their lies are never small.  They grow -- and they add detail after detail after DETAIL to embellish it all.  Soon the whole thing takes on a persona but to someone who knows them it's pretty darned obvious it's a lie.
 
If this is as foul as I suspect, then it's probably a person who has lied about this sort of thing for many years *successfully* and often with family because NO ONE wants to know or accept the truth.  Particularly when a fabricated story makes it easy to blame someone/something else.
 
The "neighbors" may be true or not.  They may be someone's buddies who simply corroborated a lie. 
 
But I can almost guarantee if this dog has this sort of a sexual deviancy then it's been trained to do so.  By humans.  But I wouldn't automatically assume any of it was accurate.  That the child was mutilated is, I'm sure, sadly true.  By what or whom -- no one will know. 
 
I had two close friends who were victims of horrific incest.  Lies lies lies -- all shapes and sizes.  Anything to ensure no one believes the true abuser 'did' a thing.  It's always going to be someone else's fault.  And no one is going to believe a baby that age self-abused.  or 'asked' for it.  But the dog???  Especially a pit??  EZ
 
would people 'lie' like that?  For sure. 
 
This story stinks to high heaven.  Has not a thing in the world to do with the breed -- has everything to do with something foul and nasty. 
 
If this dog was that deviant it wouldn't have played out like that.  It's just plain not sensible. 
 
Sensational?  sure.  Titilating ... would sell papers and TV time for sure. 
 
But honestly -- I'm out of here -- dwelling on such junk turns my stomach.

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Well, in some cases the "innocent until proven guilty" party really is.  I am not willing to pass judgment without evidence.  Certainly not given claims of such a bizarre episode.
Just curious, Bobsk8, your "real name" isn't Betsy or Primrose is it?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh easy with the P word! It might just come back!

Story Update, critical review of Story:
http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/newsdetail.php?id=0#comment

This one leaves you hanging.... anyone live near Buffalo and can pick up a paper??
http://www.tonawanda-news.com/newtoday/gnnnewtoday_story_194173730.html?keyword=topstory

Wow I like the way they're handling it at least...apparently the guy who's holding on to the Pit says he's not going to let it be put down because he isn't even sure the dog did it, and mentions thinking about giving it to a rescue.  Also says he got about 30 emails from people who would be willing to adopt the dog (yay!).

"Evidence, however, indicates that the press has lent credibility to the preposterous alibi of a child rapist, leaving a two-year-old in continued danger of molestation while sending an innocent pit bull to be put to sleep."

Now that's a phrase I never thought I'd read in the media []

On a more serious note though, I really hope they figure out exactly what happened, and if it was a person who's just using the dog to cover him/herself up...I hope they catch him.