Spacing 1 Yr Vaccines???

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    Interesting info from Mercola
     
     
    Vaccines and Immune Suppression

    Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune system; the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression included reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,

    and a reduced white cell count. All vaccines are immune depressing to some extent and that is the trade-off we are risking. The medical thought is that we trade a small immune depression for an immunity to one disease. Now let me repeat, we are trading a total immune system depression (our only defense against all known disease - including millions of pathogens) for a temporary immunity against one disease, usually an innocuous childhood disease. Therefore, the trade is not at all fair. Mullins puts it this way, "Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS."

    The trade-off is not worth the risk. We are risking getting many more diseases than we are "preventing" from getting. [Later we will see that there is literally no prevention.] Another good example is the ritual of the yearly flu shot. There may be only two or three varieties of flu viruses in each shot, hence the names "Asian-Flu", "Japanese-Flu" "Indian-Flu" or "Swine-Flu". But there are literally thousands, may be millions of flu-causing viruses. Taking one or two does not make sense and many people report getting the flu after taking a flu shot. We do not know which variety of flu will affect us each year and in each locale. Therefore, the best method to avoid the flu is to strengthen our immune system by eating properly and getting all the essential vitamins and minerals that our body needs. Only nutrition can build and support a strong immune system, while vaccines help to tear our immunity down. Vaccines have been linked to AIDS and other immuno-deficient disorders as well.

    Vaccinations depress our body's immune functions and that keeps us open to developing many other diseases. It is very childish to think that we are going to take one flu vaccine and never get sick from the many varieties of flu that exist, especially since viruses can mutate so fast when the conditions arise. Keeping up with these fast mutating viruses can only be done by priming our immune system with good nutrition and keeping the conditions/environment for their growth minimal. In other words, pathogenic viruses will not grow where the conditions will not allow it. It is the terrain which dictates our health and not the germs/viruses themselves. Germs are pleiomorphic, meaning that they can change with their environment; rods become cocci, and vice-versa. Thinking that germs cause disease means that we are not responsible for our own health and we place that responsibility in the hands of some one who has the means to kill these germs with toxic chemicals (drugs), even if those drugs/vaccines harm our body. Vaccines prevent health!

     Vaccinations reduce our immunity in many important ways:

    1) Vaccines contain many chemicals and heavy metals, like mercury and aluminum, which are in-themselves immuno-suppressing. Mercury actually causes changes in the lymphocyte activity and decreases lymphocyte viability.

    2) Vaccines contain foreign tissues and foreign DNA/RNA which act to suppress the immune system via graft-vs-host rejection phenomena.

    3) Vaccines alter our t-cell helper/suppressor ratios ... just like those seen with AIDS. This ratio is a key indicator of a proper functioning immune system.

    4) Vaccines alter the metabolic activity of PMNs and reduce their chemotaxic abilities. PMNs are our body's defenses against pathogenic bacteria and viruses.

    5) Vaccines suppress our immunity merely buy over-taxing our immune system with foreign material, heavy metals, pathogens and viruses. The heavy metals slow down our immune system, while the viruses set up shop to grow and divide. It is like being chained and handcuffed before swimming.

    6) Vaccines clog our lymphatic system and lymph nodes with large protein molecules which have not been adequately broken down by our digestive processes, since vaccines by pass digestion with injections. This is why vaccines are linked to allergies, because they contain large proteins which as circulating immune complexes (CICs) or "klinkers" which cause our body to become allergic.

    7) Vaccines deplete our body of vital immune-enhancing nutrients, like vitamin C, A and zinc, which are needed for a strong immune system. It is nutrients like these that primes our immune system, feeds the white blood cells and macrophages and allows them to function optimally.

    8) Vaccines are neurotoxic and slow the level of nervous transmission, and communications to the brain and other tissues. Now we know that some lymphocytes communicate directly with the brain through a complex set of neurotransmitters. Altering these factors will also depress our immunity.

    4) Links of Vaccines to AIDS -

    While the medical profession does not lightly discuss AIDS and vaccines in the same sentence, there is much evidence linking AIDS to vaccines. Buttram and Hoffman state, "Indirect immunofluorescence evaluation of T-lymphocytes from blood samples taken ... after vaccination revealed a temporary drop ... in the helper/suppressor ratio after vaccination." What that means is that immediately after vaccines are given our blood "looks" like the blood of and AIDS patient. AIDS is diagnosed when the T -cell (helper to suppressor) ratios are depressed and vaccines cause that same occurrence. Now is it any coincidence that the countries where AIDS is rampant most, are the same countries which received the most vaccinations? It is no joke when one asks, "Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS?"

    When we look into vaccine production we see the links of vaccines to monkey viruses, like SV-40, which causes immuno-deficiencies (similar to AIDS) in monkeys. Some scientists feel that SIV and HIV are very similar viruses and may be one in the same. If it is found in monkeys it is called SIV and if it is found in people it is then called HIV. Very likely, it is the foreign nature of SIV which makes it deadly to our immune system and our immune system goes on the blink. Vaccinations and AIDS are clearly related, and the medical literature shows us many links to AIDS. The first Hepatitis vaccines made were notorious for causing AIDS and were made from the blood of the gay populations, who had high levels of hepatitis and AIDS. Links of AIDS to the hepatitis vaccines were numerous in the medical literature at the time (the 1970s) of the first hepatitis vaccines and people were afraid to take them for that reason. Yes, one may fear hepatitis, but we also had a greater fear of AIDS, which was more deadly and serious a condition, although many more people experienced hepatitis each year.

    Many other views of how vaccines started the AIDS epidemic are available, but none can be proven with any degree of certainty. Whether HIV is a disease similar to the SIV found in monkey, remains to be seen. Is SIV and HIV the same virus? Is SV-40 involved in immuno-suppression and immunodeficiency? There were reports of the smallpox vaccines delivered to Haiti, Brazil and Africa containing HIV by the London Times in 1987. Some persons have taken conspiratorial views of AIDS, but none have surfaced with any degree of veracity and it misses the point ... all vaccines are immuno-suppressive and compromise the host's immunity. Whether they contain actual HIV viruses may be disputable, they will depress the immune system. Today more care is taken in vaccine production and there are better methods of locating and removing contaminant viruses, but vaccines are still dangerous from their humble beginning and set the stage for many other diseases to follow suit many years later.

     

    5) True Immunity: Where Does it Come From? Nutrition!

    Science has glossed over the most valuable point of health, ... nutrition. What is it that boosts our immune system and gives one a vibrant healthy life? ... nutrition. What is it that allows one to over -come the most devastating diseases known to mankind? ... Nutrition. What is the key factor for the recovery of disease? ... Nutrition. What is needed for the body to heal itself? ... Nutrition. What key factor prevents disease? ... Nutrition. What is missing from allopathic medicine today? ... Nutrition! It is nutrition and only nutrition which boosts our immune system and helps the body defend itself from foreign pathogens. Herbs, foods, nutrients and vitamin supplements are the tour-de-force of our immunity and it is virtually ignored by medical science in favor of drugs (chemicals).

    One can speculate many reasons why medical science has chosen to ignore this most important aspect of our health ... perhaps, because there is no profit in broccoli and carrots. But regardless of profit there is a side of science that altruistically searches for truth. Herbalists and naturopaths for centuries have cured devastating diseases with nature's remedies and proper diet. Medicine has shunned diet and nutrition (and herbs) as not having a place in scientific medicine. But the lowly herb can cure more than an equal share of allopathic man-made (synthetic) drugs which although originally came from many herbs are now toxic according to their dose and must be tightly regulated.

    The divergent paths of allopathic medicine and herbal naturopathic remedies is seen in the philosophy of vaccination. Vaccines are the only way modern medicine has to "prevent" disease for they don't believe in or use herbs or nutrition. Therefore, toxic vaccines are their only tool to "promote health". Herbalists and naturopaths, on the other hand, see the person with a totally different point of view and understanding. The person is taught how to live with nature, how to eat naturally and how to not create the environment for pathogens to grow. When the body is periodically cleansed, disease is not a problem. Allopathy desires to force health by giving the body more toxins (vaccines) to deal with in a futile and erroneous attempt at "preventing" disease. Yet, vaccines cause illnesses, many diseases, numerous disorders and set the stage for cancerous grow while depressing our body's ability to fight off pathogens. Allopathy depresses important body functions, while making the body more toxic. Naturopathy helps the body eliminate toxins while supporting the body's immune functions.

    Therefore, there are many points in which allopathic medicine and naturopathic medicine diverge and differ. Yet, the laws of our land only allow allopathic methods (vaccinations) of disease "prevention" and not other more effective and less damaging methods of prevention, i.e., homeopathy and naturopathy. Many religions refuse vaccines on religious grounds, because vaccines are contrary to their beliefs and vaccines are blood products grown on aborted fetuses and human and animal tissues. Vaccines grown on animal tissues, aborted fetuses, and cancer cells would be against anyone's fair judgement and common sense, regardless of religious beliefs. Therefore, it is common sense which mandates our opinions against putrid vaccines, as well as religious beliefs.

    It is no secret anymore that proper nutrition builds good immunity, when the medical literature is full of studies on the intimate details of our immunity as related to nutrients. The fact that nutrition plays a large role in one's health (and immune functions) can no longer be suppressed by prejudice. The over-whelming science today substantiates nutrition as a key factor in our health. Nutrition boosts our immune system like nothing else can. Field stated, "it is accepted that nutrition is important in the development and function of the immune system." Harbige noted that "Nutrition and nutritional status can have profound effects on immune functions, resistance to infection and auto-immunity in man and other animals." Scrimshaw and SanGiovanni state that "infections, ... have adverse effects on nutritional status. ... Conversely, almost any nutrient deficiency, if sufficiently severe, will impair resistance to infection." Chandra (Am J Clin Nutrition, 1997; 66(2):460s-463s) also noted, "Nutrition is a critical determinant of immune responses and malnutrition is the most common cause of immunodeficiency worldwide." Chandra and Chandra (Prog Food Nutrition Sci, 1986;10(1-2):1-65) stated that "the immune system plays a key role in the body's ability to fight infection and reduce the risk of developing tumors, autoimmune and degenerative disease."

    Yet, although this information is new to us now, it is not new to everyone. Many people have always maintained that a strong immune system began with good nutrition. Roger Williams, Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron, Adelle Davis, John R Christopher, Jethro Kloss, and many other notable nutritionist have claimed nutrition was important to our health for many years, but were ignored. Profit of man-made chemicals came before the health of the patrons, many asked to suffer needlessly in the name of science when they could have been cured by a simple herbal remedy or a food. Nutrition has been down-played in the last 80 years in favor of patent-able drugs (man-made chemicals). Perhaps, the penicillin era was the greatest cause of the downfall of nutrition as a part of our health. The search for the magic bullet began with Paul Erlich's compound 606, and continues to this day. We think that cancer must be cured from without by a man-made chemical, while we ignore the inner terrain and the body's natural innate abilities (to heal) within ... governed, of course, by nutrition. Hopefully within the next decade great strides will be taken in nutrition and health to make up for lost time. Many physicians are learning nutrition and herbology and homeopathy on their own time. Their patients will be the better for it. As more nutritional oriented physicians become available, the people will have a choice and a place to turn to when in need. Nutrition Produces Health and Vitality! Vaccines Prevent Health!

     

    6) Vaccines and Cancer -

    "I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

    Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909

    We don't usually associate vaccinations with cancer, but there are many citations in the medial literature where vaccines caused cancers. Sometimes cancer occurred at the site of injection and sometimes a lymphatic type of cancer would occur many years later in locations. Vaccines cause cancer. Yes, not everybody gets cancer after receiving a vaccine, but their body has been seeded with the ingredients for cancer to grow. Picture cancer as a window of opportunity. Once that window is opened, cancer can grow. Dr Vincent's work with Biologic Terrain Assessment (BTA) found that all children were pushed into the cancer "window" after vaccines were given. Now those children who don't develop cancer were (obviously) able to negate that cancer "window" with good nutrition. It is the environment which allows cancer to grow in the first place, and vaccines create that environment. When the cancer is at the site of the vaccine injection, it is hard to deny a causal relationship. Miraculously, doctors tell their patients it is co-incidental or unrelated to the vaccines.

    Yet, it was known in the 1800s that vaccines clog our lymphatics and contain toxic materials which could lead to disease, even cancers. Even Jenner himself had trouble with his vaccines causing diseases, and death. He was nearly lynched in one town for his specious concoctions. Our lymphatic system is designed to carry our lymphocytes throughout our body and maintain control over our cellular immunity. Therefore, the injection of large molecular sized proteins (foreign tissues in the vaccines) will clog our lymph-nodes and create problems for the lymphatic system. Therefore, it is no mystery that vaccines and lymphatic diseases, like leukemias and lymphomas, are related.

    "Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all diseases of the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by vaccination." Dr William Hitchman

    "Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families by vaccination."

    Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS

    "Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and 1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ... Researchers at the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus contaminated the polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the virus in a number of brain cancer victims."

    Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]

    Of course, anything which depresses our immunity will eventually lead to cancer, since it is our immune system which cleanses and eliminates mutated (cancerous) cells from our body daily. If this is not done, cancers will grow and develop unchecked by our immune system. Therefore, a healthy immune system is needed to protect us from cancer and Vaccines Prevent Health.

    Vaccines and Auto-Immune Disease - [The injection of foreign animal DNA/RNA.]

    Auto-immune disease is common-place today, but were very rare just a few years ago. Does anybody wonder why one day we are healthy and the next day our body no longer recognizes our own cells as self? Could the injection of foreign animal DNA/RNA have anything to do with our epidemic rise in auto-immune disease today? Bart Classen, MD has done some remarkable research on vaccines and auto-immune diseases, especially Diabetes mellitus, which he sees as a marker disease for all auto-immune conditions. His research finds that the more that vaccinations are given the more diabetes (and auto-immune diseases) appears. Dr Classen's research found that this held true for many animal models; after receiving vaccines they experienced increases in diabetes. Then he carried his research to include vaccinated human populations. He found that in retrospective studies of vaccinations in five different human populations, this fact held true also. The more vaccines one received the more was their incidence of diabetes (and auto-immune diseases).

    Now it is interesting that the increases in diabetes included Juvenile-onset diabetes, which we are told today is a profoundly "genetic" disease. Yet, Dr Claussen's studies revealed that vaccinations [any vaccination] can cause increases in Juvenile-onset diabetes, too. Now one theory said that the antigenic structure of the measles/mumps virus was similar to the antigenic structure of the beta cells (which produce insulin) in the pancreas. So when our body makes antibodies to fight off measles virus, those antibodies attack the pancreatic beta cells, too. Viola diabetes!

    Vaccines create the foundations for auto-immune disease when foreign animal tissues are injected into our blood streams. It alters our genes ("jumping" genes) and creates havoc in our lymphatic system. Auto-immune conditions are more common today than before massive vaccination programs began in the 1940s. Auto-immune conditions such as ALS, MS, RA, and Diabetes are severe diseases and not to be taken lightly. They alter people's lives for ever and cost more than money when we consider the time involved, the stress involved, and eventually death ensues. There is even some speculation that auto-immune conditions may be behind the brain conditions they see in autism and there is some talk in the medical literature of auto-immunity to brain cells. If the body can not even recognize its own cells, then it has been tricked into thinking that those cells are no longer self. Why does this occur? Could AIDS be an auto-immune condition where the lymphocytes are reacting against each other? What about the myriad of neurological disorders, kidney disorders, blood disorders and the many diseases associated with vaccinations? When we are looking for excellent health, we need to avoid auto-immune disorders. One must remember that Vaccines Prevent Health!

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    Interesting article, but I'm looking more for studies published in medical/veterinary journals (like what Mudpuppy posted).  Studies that start with question and include and experiment, not something that starts with a theory and then grasps for straws to prove it.

    I'm happy to say the only reaction to a vaccine I've ever experienced was a crazy night fever and hallucinations from a Yellow Fever vaccine.  That was an interesting night!  Like Callie I now have two autoimmune conditions (though not as severe as hers) but I'm due for my 10 year tetanus shot in January.  Considering how often I slice myself open, I fully plan on getting it.

     

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    Yeah -- what Willow said!Yes

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    willowchow

    mudpuppy
    no study has ever definitely linked dog vaccination to any kind of serious illness other than the very rare almost immediate allergic reactions. It's all hype and rumor and dog owners looking for a reason why their dog is sick - why blame the breeder or dumb luck when you can blame the vaccine.

    You know what, I just deleted my post--I won't waste my time on this topic anymore.  With my dog so sick, it's disgusting that this type of comment could be posted especially after the numerous lengthy explanations above.

    Amen to that, Lori. I walked away from this thread because at the end of the day, it's MY DOG who I had to get up with every hour, on the hour, for months, so he could pee outside...MY DOG who had to take meds five times a day...MY DOG, my life. I choose not to vaccinate yearly. No one on this forum will change my mind.

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    Good god, @@

    the AIDSs and vaccines one is hilarious.....LOL. Frightening what ridiculous nonsense is on the net, and that people believe it. I don't find it interesting at all, I find it stupid. Especially when most of the questions brought up in those "articles" have been well studied. There is this population of people out there that prey on people who aren't able to distinguish fact from fiction.

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    I don't find it interesting at all, I find it stupid.

    Disagreeing without being disagreeable is an ability that should be cultivated by everyone.

    ottoluv
    Especially when most of the questions brought up in those "articles" have been well studied.

    Your references so we can all learn?

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    ottoluv
    Good god, @@

    the AIDSs and vaccines one is hilarious.....LOL. Frightening what ridiculous nonsense is on the net, and that people believe it. I don't find it interesting at all, I find it stupid. Especially when most of the questions brought up in those "articles" have been well studied. There is this population of people out there that prey on people who aren't able to distinguish fact from fiction.

     

    Yeah, the AIDS comment at the end sealed the deal for me.  I may not have any sort of medical background, but I used to be heavy into causes supporting AIDS relief in Africa and took and entire college course JUST on AIDS.  I suppose I meant "interesting" as in "interesting to see what some people will actually put out there" not "I am actually interested in these views." Wink

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    janet_rose

    I don't find it interesting at all, I find it stupid.

    Disagreeing without being disagreeable is an ability that should be cultivated by everyone.

     

    Janet, I respect people's right to have their own opinions and practice health differently than I, but I have to agree with Kelly that it's downright scary how many people will make serious medical decisions not only about themselves, but their children (or their animals) based on dot-com "sources" that carry about the same credibility as me writing a paper about astro-physics.

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    Liesje
    I have to agree with Kelly that it's downright scary how many people will make serious medical decisions not only about themselves, but their children (or their animals) based on dot-com "sources" that carry about the same credibility as me writing a paper about astro-physics.

    I totally agree with you on this point!  However, one should show people why particular sources should not be taken seriously. 

    When someone says that they find an article "interesting", calling that article "stupid" is unnecessary.  It comes very close to calling the person stupid, simply cuts off conversation, and no one learns anything.

    It is far more effective to explain your reasons for not taking an article seriously and to do so in terms that most people can understand..

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    Ya know, Mercola's kind of crack-pot-ish, and he says a LOT of outlandish stuff, and a lot of things I personally do not agree with, but he's a board-certified physician...so unless you are a professional astro-physicist, I really really don't think it's fair to say he's as credible as you would be writing a paper about astro-physics...

    And herein lies my problem. Physicians can and do disagree as vehemently as Kelly and Mercola all the time...so how do you decide which to trust over the other? Both went to medical school, both are practicing medical doctors... Why is one automatically more credible than the other? (No offense Kelly, I already said I think the guy's kind of a crack-pot, I'm just trying to make a point.)

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    Mercola may or may not be crackpot, but I've found a lot of doctors who are considered quacks, to actually make more sense and have valid points. At least they arent just trying to give you a pill to fix everything. At least there is an attempt to realize what we put in our bodies matters. Chiropractors, acupunturists, naturopaths are considered crackpots and witch doctors by western medicine, but they do a lot more healing and know much more about the body than western mds. Everyone here talks about how vets dont get nutrition in school, so we really cant rely on them when they are pushing science diet or whatever, what makes you think western people docs had any better training? Of course all studies say vaccines are safe, if they didn't, drug companies would lose of lots of money. FDA regulations and medical studies always bend where the money is. I guess until you have had a problem that western medicine couldnt fix or successfully put a bandaid on, you won't understand.
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    chelsea_b

    Ya know, Mercola's kind of crack-pot-ish, and he says a LOT of outlandish stuff, and a lot of things I personally do not agree with, but he's a board-certified physician...so unless you are a professional astro-physicist, I really really don't think it's fair to say he's as credible as you would be writing a paper about astro-physics...

     

    For me it's not that personal.  I don't really care what other people believe and spew on the Internet.  The article itself I do not find the least bit credible.  It contains no study of its own and doesn't properly cite the sources he's trying to use.  Whether or not a person is credible....I let their work stand for itself.  I do not find that article a credible piece of research.  Even if it had some experiment and better use of other sources...just the statements on AIDS alone pretty much cancel out any chance at credibility.


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    Callie, Thank you, and everyone else who posted about the process of getting titers done.  I will use that info in the future, as I usually do when I learn something here.

    calliecritturs

    Again, that sounds like bad-vet-prattle. 

    I don't think that "bad-vet-prattle" is the best way to describe what I heard, in particular since I heard it from a Merial rep's mouth directly, but I didn't qualify that.  That said, Merial sales reps have it in their best interest to pass on information that benefits their sales, and THAT is what I was referring to when I said it was a $$ ploy.

    Let me be very clear about what I am talking about as far as "self-vaccination".  I am talking about the distemper/parvo vaccines that one may purchase individually through a feed store.  Now, keep in mind that I am in Texas.  No disrespect to Texas, but people here have a very "farm-hand" attitude about their pets.  Feed stores included.  Many, many of them think that veterinary medicine is a bunch of hooey and think that vaccinations as a whole are ridiculous, which is probably why I was faced with SO MANY cases of parvovirus EVERY DAY, as well as "possible" cases of distemper.  Many of these people claim to have vaccinated their pets with feed store vax.  Now, one of 3 things is happening here- they are LYING, they didn't follow an appropriate puppy vax schedule, or the vaccinations were not effective due to being stored improperly.  Any way you slice it, it's ALWAYS an issue of education.

    Most of us are talking about vaccinating otherwise healthy dogs who live in ideal situations.  It is now my position that every vet should offer to titer a pet before vaccinating, after reading what Chelsea_B said about Cherokee's titers being off the charts... scary.  If the owner says no, well, then that's on them and we can all look down on these people as inferior pet owners. (poking fun at MYSELF here, since I vaccinate my dogs yearly without titers, although I won't do it anymore.)

    There are 2 ways to look at vaccinating otherwise healthy dogs:  one is that if they are healthy, their bodies should be able to process a vaccine and "better safe than sorry", like my neighbor who lost a dog to lepto.  The 2nd is that if a dog already has a healthy immune system, then most vaccines are completely unnecessary because the dog should be able to process most illnesses on its own anyway.

    Do vaccines cause auto-immune problems?  Or do they simply amplify them in a dog who is already compromised as a result of who-knows-what?  I am not convinced either way, based on the arguments and cases presented here.

    What I am convinced of is that everyone should get titers, especially ME, who has been dilligently vaccinating all 3 of my dogs yearly.

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    My TCVM vet told me something pretty interesting the other night -- it used to be that vets were encouraged to take rabies vax themselves every year.  (because they CAN get bitten)  Then at some point in time someone started getting titers instead (I'm talking vets, now, not dogs) but one state/vet school she was particularly acquainted with was getting vets with super low titers after being vax'd annually.  Other vets who had *not* been vaxed except for initial vax when they graduated vet school were virtually still "off the charts" high years later.

    Now, none of that is anyone's study or gospel -- just that even in the human realm there is huge discussion and ***DIFFERING MEDICAL OPINION***  - in this case some of the postulating is that the more frequent the vax the less the immunity (and we'd be talking modified live vax I'd think)

    The one thing that always makes me laugh on here, is that some folks come out so violently to call the rest of us spreaders of evil information, but there is truly this thing called "medical opinion" -- this is why when someone gets a diagnosis that's tough or questionable, we say "GO GET another opinion".  It doens't necessarily mean Dr. A wasn't 'right' -- it means Dr. B may have a different way to deal with it or may have experienced something that will alter the outlook.  And that's often within classical regular medicine. 

    We so often try to reduce everything to numbers and statistics - but there is a REASON why they call it the "medical arts".  I just find it so ... telling ... when folks get upset about a discussion about such stuff.  We are EACH unique.  And what makes our health and the health of our pets isn't just X mg. of a particular drug -- it's everything unique that makes up our genetic makup and everying unique about how everything from nutrition to rest to personality and emotional balance rolls together to make that individual UNIQUE.

    So how we think we can reduce the animal/human condition to mere numbers and studies I'll never know.  I've never given up yet and time and again it's stood me well.   Had I simply listened to doctors about my own health challenges I would literally have been dead many years ago.  No one "studied" me either.   *sigh* 

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    calliecritturs

    that always makes me laugh on here, is that some folks come out so violently to call the rest of us spreaders of evil information, but there is truly this thing called "medical opinion" -

     A-freakin-men to THAT.