Spacing 1 Yr Vaccines???

calliecritturs

Now, none of that is anyone's study or gospel -- just that even in the human realm there is huge discussion and ***DIFFERING MEDICAL OPINION***  - in this case some of the postulating is that the more frequent the vax the less the immunity (and we'd be talking modified live vax I'd think)

I find this really interesting. Going through what I have of Cherokee's medical history, I have no record of her being vaccinated at all after she was a year old (which was her first ever vaccination). This doesn't mean she definitely wasn't.. She was my sister's dog, and my sister was a vet tech, so I would assume she was vaccinated other times, but..it's possible she wasn't. And she definitely hasn't been vacc'd for anything but rabies in at least 5-6 years (she's 10 now, so at most, I'd say she's had 2-4 combo vaccines in her life, and possibly only one). And yet her titers were immeasurably high last year. Very interesting.

And they DO know that eventually even the killed vax produce some pretty long-lasting immunity like that -- and I don't know, as I qualified above I was *assuming* it was talking about modified-live but I don't know that. 

But as far as *I* am concerned this is why it's worth titering.  And the interesting thing with *my* bunch is because I do it every year, I get a pretty good idea of how it comes out numbers-wise.

Specifically -- we've titered Luna & Kee's parvo & distemper for almost 3 years (3 for Luna and almost 3 for Kee).  I tend to titer a couple of times at first when I get a dog about 6 months apart ONLY BECAUSE I try to get everbuddy on the same schedule (so I only have to titer once a year in the early fall so I have all the pet therapy records "solid" when I license them). 

Luna was "ok" on parvo/distemper at first with the parvo, I think, lower but 'ok'.  Kee, when we titered her at first was 'ok' but with the distemper on the low side.

In both cases, the 'low' one has diminished slowly but significantly to the point where THIS year I wanted to do the shot (parvo - Luna and distemper - Kee) just because it looked to low for facilities to be comfortable with it.

So I'm not buying this "it's just a picture of that one day and it could drop significantly the next day" -- that's not my experience and since I do it at least anually, I see the trend.

Will be interesting to see what it's like next year!

chelsea_b

Ya know, Mercola's kind of crack-pot-ish, and he says a LOT of outlandish stuff, and a lot of things I personally do not agree with, but he's a board-certified physician...so unless you are a professional astro-physicist, I really really don't think it's fair to say he's as credible as you would be writing a paper about astro-physics...

And herein lies my problem. Physicians can and do disagree as vehemently as Kelly and Mercola all the time...so how do you decide which to trust over the other? Both went to medical school, both are practicing medical doctors... Why is one automatically more credible than the other? (No offense Kelly, I already said I think the guy's kind of a crack-pot, I'm just trying to make a point.)

FYI chelsea. He is a D.O., not an M.D. which is a whole other topic, and I havent been able to find where he is boarded in anything. What makes an expert I would think is common sense but I guess not. I have no interest in education anyone on this page anymore honestly because NOTHING i post is ever read, clearly because the same nonsense keeps being posted over and over. I used to wonder why mudpuppy never re-engages after she posts something and I have recently figured out why. What I have learned from this website is that many people like to blame things for unfortunate events in life, even to the point of ridiculousness. These people are unable to be educated. Honestly, I feel many on here don't want to learn the truth or understand anything. They just want someone to hold their hand and agree with. There also are those who just want to feel like an authority or important and pretend to be something they are not, likely because in real life they don't have much. Why would I have any interest in sharing what I have spent so many years learning with people like that?

ottoluv

He is a D.O., not an M.D. which is a whole other topic, and I havent been able to find where he is boarded in anything.

His website says he's board-certified in family medicine. While I have no way to know if that's true, I assume it is. I already said I think Mercola's kind of a crackpot, so I'm definitely not defending him or his opinions. Just playing devil's advocate I guess.

FWIW (which isn't much, I know), I always read what you say Kelly, and while I may or may not agree with it, I always respect it. But I find it really off-putting that you act like your knowledge is the be-all, end-all, when other physicians have differing opinions. Clearly everything is not agreed on by all doctors, even though they went through the same 4 years of medical school, and the same however many years of residency as you. So why SHOULD we all take your opinions as gospel over any other physician, whether they be a D.O. or an M.D.?

I also think it's pretty crappy when you assume things about people and their lives, and put them down in order to, what, make yourself feel or seem superior?

ottoluv

I have no interest in education anyone on this page anymore honestly because NOTHING i post is ever read, clearly because the same nonsense keeps being posted over and over.

Teaching is an art form.  Have you considered the idea that it is a skill that you have not mastered or have the patience for? 

Are your posts being read, but not understood?  Do they teach or simply state your views?  Do people stop reading when you not so subtly insult them or someone they respect?

I have been all over the globe teaching computer topics.  I have taught everything from keypunching (anyone remember those? ;) to operating system topics.  The groups ranged from professionals to college computer majors to misc. college freshmen.

Different people learn in very different ways and as a teacher I have to adjust to them to be successful.  I have to start from their knowledge level and go from there.

If I fail to get an idea across, I look first and foremost at my presentation.  The very last thing I would consider is whether people are willing or able to learn.  In general the latter is a recipe for failure in teaching. 

ottoluv

There also are those who just want to feel like an authority or important and pretend to be something they are not, likely because in real life they don't have much. Why would I have any interest in sharing what I have spent so many years learning with people like that?

Wow. Just...wow.