Maybe it's me but based on everything she and her friends are posting, it seems someone's seeking a validation not education. But for lurkers sake, allow me to break it down...
Actually, no, I wasn't asking anyone to tell me my decision is okay. I was asking others opinions on the cross breed.
You asked and ye received. A lot of people have told you that impossible to predict traits in a mixed breed dog. Some pups may look/act like the dam, some may look/act like the sire and some may look/act like any other dog in the dam/sire's pedigree.
I figured this would be a good place to ask. There are people here with many breeds of dogs and I was hoping that someone would be able to answer a few questions for me.
Ye asked and ye did receive. This place is a wealth of information.
That was all I asked. But when I polietly asked the questions I had a bunch of people jump on their soap box and practially insult me because "I'm supporting a BYB"
Not only did you receive answers to your questions, you also received a bit more advice. And yes, if you do buy/receive one for free from someone who irresponsibly breeds, you are supporting a BYB.
And as for those of you saying I'm not checking a shelter....if you go back and READ my posts instead of half of it and jumping to conclusions you will see I have said
Ok, you checked "a" shelter and people have told you to try checking various shelters and rescues. No harm was meant. Some people don't even realize there are breed specific rescues out there and a lot of times, you can find just what you're looking for there.
So please back off. I came looking for opinions on the breed, not looking for any sort of praise or awknowlegement for the fact that if we like the pups we will be getting one.
Considering that a Husky/Malamute mix is not a breed, no one can tell you exactly what to expect.
I have NO desire to SHOW OR BREED my dogs and thus feel the REDICULOUS prices that a breeder charges are not acceptable. I DO NOT need champion blood lines to have a family pet.
Just because you don't plan on showing or breeding doesn't mean you should discount where you get your dog from. If you have any idea about responsible breeding then you can understand why they charge what they do but quite honestly, a responsible bred dog from a responsible breeder is usually costs the same or is slightly higher than an irresponsible bred dog.
I also DO NOT want to get a dog that is more then a puppy. PERIOD. I already have a dog and I do not want to cause any problems by getting an older dog to throw in the mix.
Who said you have to get an adult dog?
And travelling 6-8 hours ONE WAY is not an option for us to get a dog from the Celtic rescue. Not to mention I have looked at the site before *Long before I stumbled upon this site and LONG before my friend decided to breed her dog* and they had NO puppies for adoption. We want to get a puppy, not an older dog to avoid as many head butting issues between the two dogs.
Does your dog get along with dogs? The reason I ask is that if it has issues with older dogs, it may have issues with a younger one. Please make sure you socialize your dog with other dogs of various ages before you bring another one into the household.
And like I had previously said, going to a breeder is out of the question as I REFUSE to pay $500-$1000 for a dog just because it came from a breeder. So all you folks that think it's okay because YOU YOURSELF ARE BREEDERS can get off your high and might soap box and go back to your over rated breeding world.
$500 to $1000 is actually pretty cheap for a responsibly bred dog if that's what a responsibly bred Husky or Mal costs in your area. I'm not a breeder but I suggest going to a responsible breeder for various reasons. The chances of getting a dog that looks like the breed it's supposed to be, acts the way the breed is supposed to be, and is healthier is way higher than going to someone who put 2 dogs together just because they are the same breed/resemble each other and happen to live close by.
I thought that a site like this would have some valuable information and not a bunch of people who are probably to timid to say boo to my face insult me over a simple question.
This site has valuable information. That's if you're seeking information and not a validation. And believe me when I say whatever I say on here I would say to your face. I have the cojones to back up what I say. As if suggesting someone go to a responsible breeder or check out various rescues is such a horrific thing to say to someone in person. [8|]
Now let's move onto the breeder...
First of all, I am the owner of the dog. He is a purebred Siberian Husky. He came from a very well known breeder who bred his for show.
Was this dog sold as show or pet quality? The reason I ask is I don't know of many responsible show breeders, and not all show breeders are responsible folks, who would sell a pet quality dog on full registration or given full breeding rights nor do I know of any responsible show breeder who would sell a show quality dog without requiring it be shown and proven in conformation and/or other dog related events and would have no problem with the dog being bred willy nilly especially to a bitch of another breed/mix.
Kayjun has ALL his vet records, his hips and eyes have been checked at all visits. No problem, nor does the vet see a problem.
Since when do vets OFA and CERF dogs on every vet visit?! Last time I checked, these things cannot be done by a regular vet nor are they done as part of a basic vet visit.
He is a very well mannered dog, not aggressive at all.
Not a good reason to breed.
The only reason I am breeding him is so I can have a pup that may have some if not most of the characteristics as him.
Still not a good reason to breed as the pups are not guaranteed to come out exactly like the sire. They may take after the dam or they may take after any other dog in the pedigrees.
I didn't chose his mate, she came to me.
What is this? The Canine Love Connection. Uh no. Dogs don't breed because they happen to like the bitch/dog in question. They breed because nature tells them they need to procreate. They don't breed out of emotion.
I am not going to tell her she can't breed her dog, just because non has papers!! Nor an I some back yard breeder [:@]
Of course you can tell someone she shouldn't breed her dog because it would be an irresponsible thing. If she chooses to do so, that's her business BUT you can control what you do with YOUR dog. And if you choose to breed your dog based on everything you've stated here, then you would be an irresponsible breeder.
I am looking to own a registered bitch, or atleast another purebred dog, even if no papers are there.
While registration is important, that's not a good enough reason to breed.
I am NOT going to breed unless I see that she is UTD on all shots as well.
If shots and registration is the only requirement for breeding, you have very low standards. What about pedigree research? Don't you want to know what's lurking behind those lines as the past can and will affect the future? What about health issues? Husky's are prone to some [link
http://www.shca.org/shcahp4d.htm]health issues[/link] and so are [link
http://www.alaskanmalamute.org/Health/health.asp]Malamutes[/link]. There are tests that can help rule these things out. Do you plan on utilizing these things and/or requiring that the bitch will tested for these things as well? Considering that Husky's and Mal's can have large litters, what of the other pups? How will you ensure that they will find loving forever homes and will not be irresponsibly bred or end up in shelters or rescues? Most importantly, what are you doing that will be considered a
positive contribution to the breed? There are enough irresponsibly bred dogs in this world. Do you want to add to that or do you want to do something that will be of benefit to the breed?
I can't believe that you all jumped at the thought of this!!!!
Considering that millions of animals are euthanized yearly due to a lack of homes and that many breeds are going down the crapper because of irresponsible breeding practices, I'm surprised that you'd think that people would keep their traps shut at the hint of irresponsible breeding.
Now let's move on to her friend...
Wow. I too am a new member to your forum, also a friend of Purple Chaps AND Kayjun's. I think that although you all have a very valid point about backyard breeders, you have jumped on PC and she is merely asking a question.
No one jumped on her. She asked questions, she received answers. Not our fault she didn't like the answers she received. I can only control what I say not how others feel.
PC, as you know, one of my dogs is a malamute/siberian husky cross. He is 4, NOT fixed, and is one of the best dogs I have ever owned. I have had numerous tests done on him, and he is healthy, AND happy. He is also a rescue, as is my other dog, who is a shepherd/husky cross.
What "numerous tests" have you done on him?
I know that backyard breeding is a hot topic, and rightfully so, it strikes a cord with many, as does horse slaughter. However, Purple Chaps is not a breeder. She just wants a puppy.....it's not her fault that someone wants to breed their husky to a non papered dog. And, I might add that Kayjun is a wonderful dog, and is very kind and loving.
I know she's not a breeder. She's considering getting an irresponsibly bred dog and by getting an irresponsibly bred dog you have supported an irresponsible breeder. Just because someone irresponsibly breeds does NOT mean you have to support their breeding practices. By taking a pup, you ARE supporting irresponsible breeding practices.
I found it upsetting that people feel it is their right to tell someone else that they should or should not do something. We are not her parents, and she is an adult and can make her own choices, as an informed adult. THAT is why she is here, asking these questions, because she wants to make an informed decision.
If someone is on here asking for advice, that's sounds like they're looking for help on what they should or shouldn't do. A lot of people gave advice as to what she should do. What she
chooses to do is up to her.
Attack me if you wish, however, I think that she did the right thing, by coming to you to get information about possible problems.
I agree getting information is a great things. Getting mad about the information received is beyond me.
As for her not being able to drive 8 hrs to get a rescue, you don't know her situation.....maybe she doesn't have a reliable vehicle, maybe she doesn't have the time to drive that far, maybe she can't leave her house! MAYBE she is not able to drive???? You are too fast to judge, and not fast enough to offer her answers to her questions.
I've always felt that when there's a will, there's a way. If she doesn't have a reliable vehicle, perhaps she has a friend, especially the ones posting here in her defense, do have a reliable vehicle and would be willing to help her out. After all, that's what friends are for. Doesn't have time to drive? Again, when there's a will, there's a way. She can't leave her house? If she can't leave her house, perhaps someone, such as her friends, can get the dog for her. Then again, if she can't physically leave the house, how can she maintain a breed that was bred to run and needs some frequent and heavy exercise in order to maintain it correctly?
Can you all just take a step back, and answer her questions without attacking her personally? She is a wonderful person, who only wants a husky puppy and does not want to pay out the ying yang for one!!!!!!
Who is attacking her? No one is attacking her. Unless you consider not supporting her decision to purchase from an irresponsible breeder to be an attack. She doesn't have to pay out the "ying yang" for a dog. She can buy from whomever she wants. However, I don't support irresponsible breeding so I can't help her out on that one.
Again, my dog is a malamute/siberian cross, and I would get another IN A HEARTBEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good for you and lucky for you, yet unfortunately for the dogs, there's LOTS of them languishing in shelters and rescues. The majority made it there due to the irresponsible breeding your friend is about to support.