Breed Question

THANK YOU Pwca...well said.

many rescues in the US will help move the dog across country with folks driving on other errands.  It may take awhile but it is possible to beat the distance issues with a bit of time and ingenuity.

From your post, it sounds pretty much like you've already made up your mind and want us to tell you that you are doing something that is okay. Truth is, you're not.

You're supporting a BYB, the type of person who (generally inadvertantly) contributes to the MASSIVE pet overpopulation problem.

Huskies are excellent dogs for a very specific type of owner, which most people are not.

You live in Canada, where huskies are extremely popular. It should not be difficult to locate a REPUTABLE siberian husky breeder within two hours of you.

Do what you want- but don't try and get other people to tell you that it's the right thing.

 
Actually, no, I wasn't asking anyone to tell me my decision is okay.  I was asking others opinions on the cross breed. I figured this would be a good place to ask. There are people here with many breeds of dogs and I was hoping that someone would be able to answer a few questions for me.  That was all I asked. But when I polietly asked the questions I had a bunch of people jump on their soap box and practially insult me because "I'm supporting a BYB"
 
And as for those of you saying I'm not checking a shelter....if you go back and READ my posts instead of half of it and jumping to conclusions you will see I have said

We have plans to check out the SPCA, but hubby had his heart set on a husky.

So please back off. I came looking for opinions on the breed, not looking for any sort of praise or awknowlegement for the fact that if we like the pups we will be getting one.
I have NO desire to SHOW OR BREED my dogs and thus feel the REDICULOUS prices that a breeder charges are not acceptable. I DO NOT need champion blood lines to have a family pet.
I also DO NOT want to get a dog that is more then a puppy. PERIOD. I already have a dog and I do not want to cause any problems by getting an older dog to throw in the mix.
 
And travelling 6-8 hours ONE WAY is not an option for us to get a dog from the Celtic rescue. Not to mention I have looked at the site before *Long before I stumbled upon this site and LONG before my friend decided to breed her dog* and they had NO puppies for adoption. We want to get a puppy, not an older dog to avoid as many head butting issues between the two dogs.
 
And like I had previously said, going to a breeder is out of the question as I REFUSE to pay $500-$1000 for a dog just because it came from a breeder. So all you folks that think it's okay because YOU YOURSELF ARE BREEDERS can get off your high and might soap box and go back to your over rated breeding world.
 
I thought that a site like this would have some valuable information and not a bunch of people who are probably to timid to say boo to my face insult me over a simple question.

You say your hubby is set on a husky - there are tons of huskies in shelters and foster homes that need adopters.
 
If you go to Petfinder.com, and search for "Husky" or "Siberian Husky" in Nova Scotia, a TON of dogs are available. Some purebred, some mixes. It sounds like you originally wanted a purebred, so why not adopt one and save a life.
 
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First of all,  I am the owner of the dog.  He is a purebred Siberian Husky.  He came from a very well known breeder who bred his for show.
Kayjun has ALL his vet records,  his hips and eyes have been checked at all visits.  No problem,  nor does the vet see a problem.
He is a very well mannered dog,  not aggressive at all.
The only reason I am breeding him is so I can have a pup that may have some if not most of the characteristics as him.  I didn't chose his mate,  she came to me.  I am not going to tell her she can't breed her dog,  just because non has papers!!  Nor an I some back yard breeder [:@]
I am looking to own a registered bitch,  or atleast another purebred dog,  even if no papers are there.
I am NOT going to breed unless I see that she is UTD on all shots as well.
I can't believe that you all jumped at the thought of this!!!!

I'm not a breeder, but I've got a heck of a high horse and I'm mounting up right now.

I'm a rescuer. I go into shelters and look at the dogs that back yard breeders just like your friend, produced, who are now unwanted and will soon be put to death - because someone said "I want, I want, I want," and refused to beleive that they were contributing to this problem!

I live in the Southeast US, very warm almost year round, and guess what I see TONS of in the shelter - huskies! My in-laws rescued the most gorgeous Malamute/Aussie mix, what a great dog, perfect with the kids and other dogs, smart as a whip, and guess how old he was when they got him? Three!

In answer to your question, a backyard bred mixed breed has very little chance of being similiar to the parents. Basically they will be creating a new breed with characteristics of its own. Breeding THOSE pups would then produce pups similiar to the original purebreds, but it's not predictable what characteristics would be passed on. It's basic genetics. That's why BREEDERS are the best ones to handle breeding, they know all this stuff and can use that knowlege to produce not just fancy show dogs, but just great dogs to have around.

You say Daddy is a great dog. But do you know HIS parents, his siblings, his grandparents? Is there any dog-on-dog aggression in the line to be picked up by the puppy you pick? How about health problems? The majority of health problems are what we call "recessive" which means the dogs carry the problem and it only pops up when you put two carriers together. The only way to know whether your dog is a carrier, for most diseases and problems, is to know the family tree of both dogs.

You want a "cheap" dog and you are not willing to drive anywhere to ensure that the dog you get will be the right one for you. You want "Cheap" AND "convenient". As a rescuer, I can tell you that chances are very low that both will combine in one completely thoughtless breeding. How can a cheap pup be not cheap? When you start having aggression problems, joint problems, thyroid problems, allergies, cancer - shall I go on with all the possible problems that beset either breed you are bringing into the picture here?

If you decide that you can set aside a little time for the sake of bringing a companion into your family for more than a decade - then you can get a dog that they have already evaluated for health and dog friendliness (and might even be housetrained and basic obedience trained).

In the one post you said you were 4 hours from Celtic and in the second you said you were 7. It sounds like you are just dead set on doing what you are going to do and making up reasons why you have NO OTHER OPTIONS. When there's ALWAYS a way to do the right thing, if you keep an open mind. But today we just all do what is convenient rather than what is right, and it's the dogs who suffer. []

OK, duh. Troll alert guys. Dollars to donuts these two posters are the same person. Gina or Jaime?

I am a person who previously purchased dogs from backyard breeders.  I did not pay 500 to 1000 per dog.  I did however pay way beyond that in medical bills for hypothryoidism, spinal surgery and autoimmune disorder (lupus like) and hip displaysia. 

And you are a backyard breeder if:  you randlomly select two dogs with no real family health history (especially incidence of pannus), no verification of the dog's worthiness to breed in the form of titles or working skills, if you do not provide a full guarentee of health for the puppy and if you do not have a contract as strong as possible to protect each puppy produced.  You are still a backyard breeder if they leave your home before 8 weeks.  You are still a backyard breeder if you do not screen and evaluate the homes and the puppies to make sure the best puppy person fit possible.

So sorry, from a person who has moved from byb to "responsible" breeders and who does rescue, the current scenario does not describe anything other than a BYB litter.
 
As to 500 to 1000 prices:  so that a cost of $ 50 to $100 per year for 10 years,  which is some where between .15 and . 25 per day, is too much to pay?

I didn't chose his mate, she came to me.

 
You are the owner of your dog - you choose who he mates with!
 

 I am not going to tell her she can't breed her dog,  just because non has papers!!  Nor an I some back yard breeder.

 
No you can't tell the female's owner what to do, but that doesn't mean you have to support her by breeding your dog with hers! And yes you are a backyard breeder - you are breeding dogs, with no thought to 'bettering the breed' or having some useful purpose for the breeding. In fact, you are purposely producing mutts (I love mutts, but there are a million in shelters and they should not be purposely bred!).
 

I am looking to own a registered bitch,  or atleast another purebred dog,  even if no papers are there..

 
Kind of confused. I thought the breed of the b*tch was unknown and appeared to be malamute. Either way, with no papers you have no way to confirm her breed, and as such you are not producing a purebred dog, nor a registered dog, nor anything else other than mixed breed puppies.
 

I am NOT going to breed unless I see that she is UTD on all shots as well.

 
Being UTD on shots is no reason at all to breed a dog. [&o]

We don't know that Rebecca...not yet. I am keeping an eye on it.
 
And I'd ask everyone contributing to the thread to make their points without being personal, or rude.
 
These same points have been made before and I know you are frustrated but fact is if these people think they are doing the right thing, which we do know they are not....then nothing we say will stop them.
 
Civil answers the rest of the way please...that goes for the original poster of the thread and the owner of the male as well.
 
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ActuallyI had said in the second post

And travelling 6-8 hours ONE WAY is not an option for us to get a dog from the Celtic rescue

And the other post about the celtic rescue

The Celtic rescue is waaayyyyy on the other side of the province. So it rules that one out. And the rest are like 4-5 hours away

 
And sorry to burst your little bubble, if you have the proper tools you can check this....
Our IP addresses are different. We are not the same person, 'Kayjun' owns the male I was speaking of (as she stated) The IPs may be simillar, but they are not the same as we live in 2 seperate towns.
 
So sorry, but no trolls here.

Kayjun,
 
Has your vet x rayed your dogs hips and elbows? Is your vet a board certified canine opthamologist? You DO know that "vets" miss severe genetic disease all the time simply because it is not their forte, right?
 
Thyroid is another thing that should be checked BTW...a full panel sent to MSU.
 
You seem to think that a once yearly physical is the same thing that a breeder does before breeding a dog and it is NOT. Xrays, bloodwork, visits to specialists for eye certifications...these are IMPORTANT. Shots? nothing to do with the genetic future of those puppies. Have you even had a sperm count done to see if your boy has viable, healthy sperm? Has he had a Brucellosis screen so he doesn't infect the bitch with a disease that will cause her to abort her litter?
 
Why people think their vet is endowed with xray vision as the power to read blood thru the skin puzzles me..

I still don't get why all rescue is not an option because ONE is maybe eight hours away (is is six or eight? I know within three hours how long it takes to get places when I'm trying to figure out how convenient it is - there's a tool for this, too, mapquest).

As someone said, rescues can have foster homes all over a large area. Just because Carolina Border Collie Rescue was primariliy based in Raleigh didn't mean there weren't dogs in Charlotte, Wilmington on the coast, South CArolina, the mountains, and even Northern Virginia. That's a span of about 600 miles from north to south and 300 from east to west. You haven't even looked to see whether huskies are available in your area, just assumed they aren't.

The fact is, that you show all the signs of wanting to contribute to this breeding and have made up your mind that there are no other options, regardless of whether or not there are.

You've got a bee in your bonnet against legitimate breeders. It takes a lot of work and planning to produce a wonderful dog like the one you admire but you don't want to contribute to that by buying one like him - you want one produced in exactly the opposite way - breeding to whatever's convenient, with no thought or research on the best way to pass on his good qualities without passing on or making worse anything that might be deficient in the male.

It's easy to produce pups and so hard to make good ones. That's why so many dogs die in the shelters.

I REFUSE to pay $500-$1000 for a dog just because it came from a breeder.

 
I think it's important to address this.  Why would you refuse to pay this price?  When you get a dog from a good breeder, you usually have health assurances and proof that the parents have been tested for genetic diseases.  It may seem like more at first, but when you factor in the "health insurance" portion of it, to me it's actually a bargain.  In addition, the breeder acts like a 24 resource to answer questions and help you out.  Most breeders understand also that not everyone is going to the show ring and will help you with obtaining a perfect family pet.  The breeders I've seen (not a whole lot I admit) aren't rolling in the $$$ from charging tons of money, they are just trying to recoup costs from the increadible amount of time, work , and testing it takes to breed great pups.

So my question is, do you think it will be an alright dog ? And I have heard malamute isn't always the best with other dogs. If we got the dog as a pup would socializing (living with another dog) 'cure' this ?

Not necessarily. If the person breeding doesn't know the characteristics in the lines of *both* of the dogs they're breeding (not just the characteristics of the DOGS they're breeding) you won't know if socialization would help aggression. It's impossible to get a true picture of what you're breeding if you're not intricately involved and aware of what the lines leading up to your dogs have produced.

In other words, the pup could be hard-wired to be aggressive. You won't know without a full picture, though.

This really applies to anything in the dog - one needs to know about the other dogs (grand-parents, greats, aunts, uncles, littermates, full siblings from the other litters, etc.) to get an idea of what to expect from their dogs. Like brookcove already said, a lot of the problems that crop up are because of recessive genes.

I'm also concerned about this potential litter because I think several steps are missing. For one, there is the health testing- these tests would be sent off to their certifying agencies - such as the hips being X-Rayed and sent off to be certified (as Gina already laid out). It's not just a matter of does the vet think the dog looks fine, it's a matter of what is going on internally.

There is also a matter of breeding to a standard, looking to improve the breed. What standard are these dogs being held up to? If the answer is just "the dog is nice and pretty", then I would imagine there are so many dogs in shelters and rescues that meet *that* standard, I wouldn't touch this litter. If the dog is being held to a standard structurally, in the conformation breed ring, and through whatever work it was designed for (sled dog anyone?), that is a different matter.

I care about these dogs, and I care about you as the person who would be rearing the pup - please do some research on responsible breeding, and what to look for when buying or adopting a dog.