Breed Question

    • Gold Top Dog

    Breed Question

    Well I'd like to start by saying this is my first post :) I have a 2 1/2 yo shepherd/border collie  Great little dog :D Love him to bits
    My husband and I have been talking about getting another dog so he has someone when we are out.
    A friend of mine has been talking and wants to breed her siberian husky to what she thought was another husky.
    Turns out it's a malamute, but she's going to go ahead with the breeding anyway.
    I think we still want a pup.
     
    So my question is, do you think it will be an alright dog ? And I have heard malamute isn't always the best with other dogs. If we got the dog as a pup would socializing (living with another dog) 'cure' this ?
     
    Mucho Thanks :)
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    Both of those breeds can have issues which are genetic in origin. Hips...elbows and eyes ALL need to be checked and CERTIFIED by the proper entities  (OFA and CERF). I believe both have dwarfism and heart issues as well so I'd also want them tested for those...I believe that there might be a test for dwarfism...not sure. Basically you need to be sure that what you're getting for so little upfront...will not turn around and bite you in the butt in a couple years with a bunch of vet bills. Sounds like you will not have the benefit of knowing either dogs pedigree and thus their family tree and what's hanging on it or buried under it...
     
    Reputable breeders do not breed to who is convenient or who looks like the same breed...that's a big red flag to me. How old is the bitch? the dog? Reputable people do not breed puppies...but adult dogs over 2 years old.
     
    Personally with those breeds and the potential for health or temperamental problems I would buy from a reputable breeder or rescue an older pup or dog that needs a home...BOTH of those breeds have reputable rescues that are usualyl full thanks to people who do not do enough research into just how active...strong..willful...and hairy these breeds are before buying that cute little pup. I would avoid well meaning but sorely misguided people who breed their pets because they think they will make money, the bitch lies awake at night thinking of sex or puppies, or that everyone in the world wants a puppy (all the litters of pups killed in shelters each month kinda makes that one moot)...like the plague.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I personally know the dog, but not the bitch. He is a pure siberian husky *bought from a breeder just without buying papers* The bitch I know nothing about other then she is a malamute.
    My friend wanted to breed to another siberian so she could get a puppy as 'payment' for the deed.
    He is 4 or 5 i believe. No younger then 4 and no older then 5 for sure.
     
    But the more we talk about it the more we have discussed the fact that the bitch doesn't look 'malamute-y' to us. She looks much smaller IMO.
    But it's not done yet, we were talking about it. I just know I want a puppy again :)
    • Gold Top Dog
    any of the health certifications I mentioned?
     
    In essence you are looking at getting a mix breed puppy with no registration papers, right?
     
    So why not adopt the same thru a rescue or shelter? At least then you'd be saving a life instead of enabling a backyard breeder?
    • Gold Top Dog
    No, there are no health certificates that I know of.
    We have plans to check out the SPCA, but hubby had his heart set on a husky.
    When my friend decided she was going to breed hers he said he wanted a pup because her male is AMAZING.
    He's beautiful and has a wonderful tempterment.
     
    They will be breeding the dogs in the new year regardless of what we decide.
    As for the health certificates, it's just a risk I understand I will be taking when we get a dog like this.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    It's up to you but...

    Even if they are breeding regardless, they won't learn any lessons if everyone snaps up their pups. And then they might do it again and again. And pretty soon those pups aren't going to be flying off the shelves quite so much, but there's already been several litters contributing to dog overpopulation. If they breed once and then wind up having to take half the pups to the SPCA because mixed breed uncertified unregistered dogs aren't quite as popular as they thought they'd be, they might think twice about breeding again and choose instead to spay and neuter their pets.

    It's hard to let people learn this lesson at the expense of the puppies, but if they don't, most will do it several times and pretty soon those pups will wind up in shelters. Large dogs can throw litters of 10-16 puppies. Three litters like that and that's 30-40 puppies out there in the world. A world where there are already 15 unwanted pets for every man, woman and child.

    I'd look into husky breed rescue. The perfect dog is already out there waiting for you, already born and being fostered by someone. That bell has already been rung and you can in good conscience adopt such a dog without encouraging someone to be a backyard breeder. Breed rescues will very often arrange transports if the perfect dog for you is in another state, so you've got a much larger territory to look in.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My friend will be neutering her male, she just wanted one of his babies first. She figured one breeding and they would fix him.
    I have looked for huskeys around here *In Nova Scotia* But haven't found any Husky rescues around us which is why i haven't looked into it further.
     
    I do agree with you guys in the sense that people shouldn't intentionally breed "mutts" but I can't stop what my friend is doing. All I know is I am in love with her male and would love to have one of his pups.
     
     
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    I just don't know what to say. I get so saddened and discouraged when people just don't understand how they are supporting backyard breeders. You say that they are going to breed anyway. Well when friends tell them that they will be wanting a puppy, that just helps to encourage them...everyone said they will be wanting a puppy. Sometimes that everyone is only one or two people but that is enough to convince them to breed, especially when they have that thought there already. Why don't you instead try to educate them as to all of the things that rwbeagles talked about and try to discourage them from breeding. I've been involved with animal rescue to one degree or another for the last 30 some years. I've volunteered in shelters and walked and played with many dogs the day they were going to be killed...just because there are not enough homes for them all. I would tell the shelter workers to let me know what dogs might be put down on the day the vet would come in, as I wanted to be sure to get them out for a fun time for their last day on earth. I thought that things would start to change as my generation got up into adulthood as I thought many of us learned these things in school. Well, my generations children are now adults and I still see the same thing happening. I 'm sorry for my ranting on and on, it just saddens me so. Last week we took on 6 dogs that were rescued from a puppymill and out of those we had to put one to sleep. His ear canals were basically calcified and there really wasn't a whole lot that good be done for him. It would be an ongoing problem and it was causing him a lot of pain.That on top of the fact that these dogs were not socialized at all and pretty much terrified of the world in general. I also had to bring a little cattle dog pup home (another dog that we rescued..8 or 9 weeks old and he was a stray) to foster to teach him a few basic manners. He really is a sweety but has a bit of an attitude so needs to learn that is a no no. Some backyard breeder bred him selling him off or giving him off to whomever and they must have decided he was a bit too much of a puppy for them. Either that or the breeder themselves couldn't get rid of him and so just dumped him. Okay so I'm still rattling. I will quit now. I'm sorry.
    • Gold Top Dog
    The Celtic rescue is waaayyyyy on the other side of the province. So it rules that one out. And the rest are like 4-5 hours away (The ones in the same province that is)
    I have yet to find a rescue *for huskys* within 2 hours of us.
     
    But back to my origional question,
    Would a huskey/malamute cross make a good dog?
    And would socialization (living with another dog from a puppy) 'cure' the possible aggression problem?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Would a huskey/malamute cross make a good dog?

    It could, but I don't recommend it, nor would I have much respect for somebody who bought one from somebody when they knew the "breeder" crossed the breeds intentionally.  It's supporting a BYB and only furthering the belief that the "breeder" is right. Taking two breeds that are not for the average dog owner to begin with, and then crossing them, is just asking for trouble.

    And would socialization (living with another dog from a puppy) 'cure' the possible aggression problem?

    Nope.

    Some breeds are just prone to dog aggression.  I find it interesting that the Sibe and the Malamute are both prone to dog aggression, when they are bred for running in harness together.  It's just one of those things I find odd but intriguing.  Prone to dog aggression, but let's hook em all up together and have them run xD!  Weird.

    GSDs, Akitas, and quite a few other breeds are prone to dog aggression.  I know people who have socialized their Akitas out the wazoo as young babies...including the best breeders, but let's face it and be honest here...the breed is known to generally be dog aggressive, just like Pits.  It's just genetic.  Very very sweet with people, aren't tolerant of other dogs.  You learn to deal with it.   
    • Gold Top Dog
    Do you want a guarantee here or?
    No...nothing guarantees a dog will not be dog aggressive if the genes are present for dog aggression. That is why people do research on a breed, and specific kennels and lines if temperament is super important to them.
     
    At least in adopting an older dog...WYSIWYG.
     
    You will see what you have with a pup, about 6-18 months of age when most behavioral issues tend to crop up. The naughty teenage stage. Neutering will help...and so will getting OPPOSITE sex from what you have now.
     
    But both breeds are independant...tend to have their own opinions on things...and are free spirits. Both tend to have prey drive, and wander drive, and hopefully you are prepared. Dad didn't get so great just by popping out of the womb. I expect his people had something to do with that, and he is also an older dog...so by no means use him as a measure...because "you" will be melding whatever pup you get by the things that you do, or do not do.
     
    There is puppy testing but nothing really within that test for dog aggression.
     
    The Celtic rescue is waaayyyyy on the other side of the province. So it rules that one out

     
    Why? Many dogs are adopted long distance....they usually have transport routes all worked out for getting dogs to their new homes as well..and since many are fostered, there are probably foster homes peppered thruout the province....for all you know, right next door! Surely it would not hurt to simply drop them an email?
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I do agree with you guys in the sense that people shouldn't intentionally breed "mutts" but I can't stop what my friend is doing. All I know is I am in love with her male and would love to have one of his pups.

     
    But what if the puppy you take home with you turns out to be more like the mom, and what if she isn't as wonderful as he is?  I think, temperment-wise, puppies are more apt to take after the mom.  Afterall, the mom is 50% of the genetic material AND the parent that raises them.
     
    Would a huskey/malamute cross make a good dog?

     
    That depends on what you want/expect out of a dog.  Do you want a dog that is bidable, easily trained, able to be taken off leash, doesn't climb the fence, doesn't wonder off and looks adoringly at you?  If you answered yes to any of those, this is not the right dog for you.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, if you won't contact husky rescue, have you at least checked your local shelters for huskies and husky mixes?  I don't know about Nova Scotia in particular, but I do know in many parts of Canada there are zillions of nothern breed mixes up for adoption.  Here in Alaska, practically every other dog at the shelter is a husky or mal mix -- puppies, too.  Are you sure you can't find any near you?  There are so many fantastic shelter dogs out there who deserve a chance.  It just makes me sad to think that you are looking specifically for a mix, but won't even give shelter/rescue a shot. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    From your post, it sounds pretty much like you've already made up your mind and want us to tell you that you are doing something that is okay. Truth is, you're not.

    You're supporting a BYB, the type of person who (generally inadvertantly) contributes to the MASSIVE pet overpopulation problem.

    Huskies are excellent dogs for a very specific type of owner, which most people are not.

    You live in Canada, where huskies are extremely popular. It should not be difficult to locate a REPUTABLE siberian husky breeder within two hours of you.

    Do what you want- but don't try and get other people to tell you that it's the right thing.