the GOOD part of working with women...

it's empowering to know that even tho that guy is commited I could have him...and she'd never know"...WTH???

Isn't that saying more about your neediness as a person? lol...

 
YES..this is a VERY insecure woman who would do this type of screwed up thing... sounds a lot like my DH's ex wife...did she live in California??[]

I certainly meant no offense with my West Virginia comment.  I didn't realize we had anyone here from WV and I certainly didn't know that WV had computers and internet access.  []

Would it freak you if I said yes? this was in 1997 before I moved..lol...

LMAO..You go BILLY!!

Would it freak you if I said yes? this was in 1997 before I moved..lol...

 
would this woman have lived in Southern California... ummmm...the san diego area and would she be in her early 40's right now??[8|] 

ORIGINAL: jjsmom06
Subconsciously women compete with one another for "males”… just my opininion though...[8|]

 
See, here's where we part company, Shelly.  I don't think "males" enters into the equation at all.  What I mean is women don't doll themselves up, do the makeup scene and all that crap to gain the attention of males.  I think they do it to make themselves look good to other women.  It is a competition, to be sure, but not for males.  It is a competition, in a word, to be seen favorably by other women.
 
Let me give you a scenario.  You are going to a cocktail party where there are 10 couples.  This party isn't in California so half of the people at the party would be women.  What a tragedy it would be if you showed up in the exact same dress as another woman.  Would it be a tragedy because all the men would laugh at you?  Hell no, the men wouldn't even notice.  Would it be a tragedy if two men showed up in the same suit?  Hell no, NO ONE would notice.

What I mean is women don't doll themselves up, do the makeup scene and all that crap to gain the attention of males.

 
Billy- Do you not recall that this is pretty much a "direct quote" from my email I sent to you the other day??  I think you and I are arguing the same point here... I must not be making myself clear on what I mean by female competition and the "men factor"... let me go see if I can find that email so I can pull from it what my true meaning is... if I can't find it I might ask you to dig through your inbox...[] 

One could also say that the dolled up thing is to make sure the male attention is on her and not any other woman,...no? the women do factor in...because if they notice her  being noticed...then they cannot help but also notice the attention is not on them...lol!

ORIGINAL: jjsmom06
Billy- Do you not recall that this is pretty much a "direct quote" from my email I sent to you the other day?? 

I do remember but in this case, you seem to be saying that women compete for males.

Subconsciously women compete with one another for "males”… just my opininion though...[8|]

 
I just disagree with that, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying.  I think, to most women, what men think about how they look, for example, is far less important to them than how other women think they look.
 
ETA:  I think what women REALLY want to do is to have other women be jealous of them.  They don't even care what that jealousy is based on -- how they look, what they have, their husband's job, their family, whatever.

far less important to them than how other women think they look.

Because a less confident opponent...is a less dangerous one...opponent for what? []

Most women are inherently jealous of other women.  Women don't usually get caught up in the hair, makeup, weight and appearance thing for MEN…they care about how they look to other women. This is a generality I know, but unless a woman is actively on "the prowl" for a guy,  they care so much about their looks because they always feel in competition with other women.



 erhaps they subconsciously this is actually competition for "male attention"…
 
Many women have a hard time being "genuine" about giving another woman a compliment about their looks or attire or something. They either won't give a compliment or they do it in kind of a backhanded way. This is what I LOVE most of all about my best female friend. She is secure enough with herself that she has no problem saying to someone she doesn't even know "I just have got to tell you that you are an absolutely stunning woman"…. Most women can not make those kinds of comments to one another because they somehow feel that someone else's beauty reflects poorly on them.  

 
 
Here is part of what I pulled from that email and I underlined and bolded "how" I think men MIGHT factor in.  I agree completely that they get "dolled up" to go to a party to look good in comparison to other women. In social situations like this, women want to look attractive in the eyes or other women.. but I do believe that completely subconsciously (except with some women or in CERTAIN situations where is a conscious act...), they don#%92t even know where their competitive desire comes from. I think it is evolutionary in nature….
 
Does that make sense Billy? I actually think we are on the same side of the fence here… not opposing ones…
 

>>I actually think we are on the same side of the fence here… not opposing ones… <<
 
I think so too.  I edited my previous post though.  You might want to take a look.

ETA:  I think what women REALLY want to do is to have other women be jealous of them.  They don't even care what that jealousy is based on -- how they look, what they have, their husband's job, their family, whatever.

Unfortunately I think you are correct billy, although most won't admit it

ETA: I think what women REALLY want to do is to have other women be jealous of them. They don't even care what that jealousy is based on -- how they look, what they have, their husband's job, their family, whatever.

 
Exactly... and to further that point and turn the jealousy part around the OTHER way... I snipped "and editted.." another part from that email regarding their dislike of "Colorado Joyce..."
 

 
Women subconsciously view her as "competition" and therefore make excuses for "why they don't like her".   Things like, she is a B****, she is full of herself, she is crass….
 

 
 
See women have this "jealousy" over other women as you put it for a variety of reasons such as the examples you gave Billy... but they can't admit to themselves that THOSE are the reasons they don't like another woman....afterall, THOSE reasons are petty and ridiculous... so instead they say that she is stuck up, she is a B****, she isn't a nice person... she is foul mouthed and crass...whatever.. but one of the worst things I see is that women ACTUALLY BEGIN to start believing that this is the reason that they don't like the other woman.. not the true reason that they are just jealous of some aspect of that woman or her life...
 
SO women TRY To make other women jealous and when they ARE jealous they can't admit it that they are so they make up lame excuses for why they don't like one another...
 
[8|]gosh does this even make sense..I think I am confusing myslef...LOL     

I hate to get all serious... but when women act like this they really screw the whole Equal Rights thing up. I mean, I have gotten a lot of help from my male mentors and co-workers. But professional relationships with women have been guarded at best and openly hostile at worst.

All I can say is that I promise to mentor young women instead of getting All About Eve on them...