Crazy new bill passed...

On the face of it, it appears that they want to treat terrorists as war criminals and prosecute them by means of courts-martial.
 
Military justice is not like civilian justice. In a court-martial, you are guilty until proven innocent. No search warrant is needed, you are "G.I", government issue. You are entitled to a defense. They are allowed to interrogate you but not use torture, physical abuse, or shaming, such as disrobing you. They may question you for quite a while, though. This act is only applying to enemy aliens, though it might be stretched to include domestic terrorists.
 
Military justice as always included the death penalty as an option of punishment. Most people just get sent to Leavenworth or another military prison.
 
As tough as all this sounds,  the people in the WTC and on the planes and in the Pentagon did not get any kind of hearing. They were summarily executed over a word.
 

Agreed ron....
 
I think it's ever so interesting that as soon as someone people dislike gets elected, it's ALL the Electoral Colleges fault.  If Kerry had been elected would you be moaning about it--unlikely.  Bush was the lesser of the two evils.  you want bubbling?  Listen to John Kerry try to give a clear, REAL answer to a direct question.  Sally has a better idea of what to do about Iraq.
 
On the Hitler comparison, I wonder if anyone could provide some actual examples, other than what some random internet person says--historical examples. 
 
In addition, if you really believe that Bush is a dictator, you need to spend less time on a dog forum and more time expanding your own world view.......

Torturing someone for info is NOT what America was about. 
 
Yeah...I'm sure no Indians were ever tortured to gain info on where their tribes were hiding out or what they were planning.
 
No slaves were ever tortured for information on the underground railroad or to turn in escapees....yeah....right.
 

In addition, if you really believe that Bush is a dictator, you need to spend less time on a dog forum and more time expanding your own world view.......

 
yes, i really believe bush's actions in recent years resemble that of a dictator. the more i expand my view of the world, the more shamed and dissapointed i am with how civilization has evolved. since i can essentially do nothing to end world suffering, hypocrisy, unnecasary death, disease, etc...i think i will stick around the dog forum for awhile, at least here i can become a better dog owner and hopefully in turn help other dog owners.

I wanted to ask folks here...being majorly politcally ignorant.
 
Do you guys think a person could get elected next time SOLELY on the platform of "I will bring the troops home...period."??? Would you vote for someone based on that?
 
Assuming we're still over there and dying etc come election year...which I bet we will be.
 
My husband was telling me this happened after Vietnam...so I guess there's a precedent already?

well, call me a hypocrite but i have never voted, not sure if i ever will. but no, as much as i would really like to see everyones sons and daughters come home i would not vote for someone because they said that. one.) they could be lying, and two.) what are they going to do the rest of the term, sit around and talk about how they brought the troops home?

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

I wanted to ask folks here...being majorly politcally ignorant.
 
Do you guys think a person could get elected next time SOLELY on the platform of "I will bring the troops home...period."??? Would you vote for someone based on that?
 
Assuming we're still over there and dying etc come election year...which I bet we will be.
 
My husband was telling me this happened after Vietnam...so I guess there's a precedent already?

 
*I* would not vote for someone based on that, but depending on what happens over there, yes, it could happen, IMHO.
 
 

ORIGINAL: gaylemarie

In addition, if you really believe that Bush is a dictator, you need to spend less time on a dog forum and more time expanding your own world view.......

yes, i really believe bush's actions in recent years resemble that of a dictator. the more i expand my view of the world, the more shamed and dissapointed i am with how civilization has evolved. since i can essentially do nothing to end world suffering, hypocrisy, unnecasary death, disease, etc...i think i will stick around the dog forum for awhile, at least here i can become a better dog owner and hopefully in turn help other dog owners.

dictator:




1.
a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.



2.

(in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.

 
Can you give any examples of how Bush fits into either of these definitions?

I would not vote for someone based soley on that premise. Bringing the troops home is a great thought, but much more complicated than just packing everything up and flying back to the US. I think a "bring the troops home" campaign could definitely win someone the election if someone could come up with a good way to get us out of there.
 
The biggest problem we have with Iraq is that we went in with no plan on how to get out. If you look at the series of events leading up to our invasion of Iraq, it plays out like a little kid wanting revenge. He got what he wanted, but now what? Now we have our brave soldiers trying to restore peace and losing their lives trying to hold off a civil war. Well we can't leave, because we'd just be "abandoning" the Iraqis and that would be viewed negatively.
 
So if someone could come up with a good plan to extract troops and save face for the US, I think they'd win the election in a second.

Roxie865
Amy is right -- the Republicans' time is drawing to a close! All the Dems need to do is retake either the House or the Senate, with the House being theirs right now, according to variety of polls. The Senate will be harder to take, since they must win five seats. Still, it's definitely possible.

 
Back to the days of Grrridlock, a total waste of taxpayer's dollars.

Quote by Corvus:
It was explained to us how he won with a cute little animation of someone trying to vote for Kerry electronically, and the button running away from his mouse pointer and eventually the Kerry button turned into a Bush button just when the guy was madly clicking on it trying to make it work.

 
Cute spin on how Bush stole the election.  Actually it was the good people of Ohio that gave Bush 4 more years.

Oh yes it'd be complicated as it's a complicated issue.
 
I just wondered if anyone even thought'd it'd be possible to run and win with that slogan or platform. More curiosity than thinking it's a good or bad idea []

Oh yes it'd be complicated as it's a complicated issue.

I just wondered if anyone even thought'd it'd be possible to run and win with that slogan or platform. More curiosity than thinking it's a good or bad idea

 
Not complicated at all.  Bush Sr. said "Read my lips, no new taxes".  And what did he do and then what did the electrorate do?  We got Clinton.

dictator:
1.
a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2.
in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.

Can you give any examples of how Bush fits into either of these definitions?

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why not. to begin with i would like to quote the president, he's quite the orator
 
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.

also, he may not meet the exact definition of a dictator at this point, but he has been taking steps in that direction. steps i feel threaten our constitutional rights. the president is supposed to uphold the law on the highest, not alter it to suit his needs, wants and whims.