Remeber Joel

Not to get into everything he did but, I am just proving my case that Joel was really innocent.
 
I'm sorry Angel...NO ONE is innocent past the age of 15 lol.
 
You seem to gloss over the personal insult he paid me...I think that speaks volumes as to how favoritism can work in both directions. []
 
Personally I think it's semi interesting to discuss past people that actually contributed ideas to the forum...but I honestly cannot think of one thing J contributed that related to dogs or helped anyone's dog out. So IMO no big loss.

Gina, I have no idea what Joel said to you. When I cam around Joel had posted an apology thread, I didn't know what that was all about so i didn't ask I was new here.
 
I know he's not inocent, none of us are, Most of us here have gotten heated and said things maybe they shouldn't have.
Even though Joel may not have contributed all that much as far as dogs went, he contributed with his sense of humor. I do not contribute anything useful around here at all. But i still come here everyday because I have nothing better to do and I really enjoy talking to certain people.
 
There are many people here that do not contribute in many useful ways, but I still think it's great to ahve them.

Hmmmmm, somebuddy opened a giant can of whoop a$$ with this thread.......
 
OK, it may have been MY fault that the snake got deleted.  Yep, I DID complain.  Foolish as it is, I am truely, truely PHOBIC.  Even the word can make me lift me feet and tuck them under me.  My close encounters this summer HAVE helped marginally, but I still can't hold a magazine with a picture of one in it, or see one on TV without having terrible nightmares.  And I do recall complaining about that and not being able to go to the thread because of it.
 
I found Joel basically to be no different than a gnat.  Annoying sometimes when he was buzzing around, but most of the time, ignorable. I was among those who were PM'd urging me to join the posee and run Joel off idog.  I also declined because I just personally didn't find him that bothersome, but I know that many did.
 
Yes, Angel, Brenda did have a lot of supporters here on idog, but in the end, that didn't save her, did it?  She got her three strikes just like everyone ELSE did, including Joel.  Jaime doesn't play favorites and she doesn't give in to pressure from ANYONE to either suspend or ban anyone.  And yep, I know that for certain because there was someone that I griped about ALLLLLL the time.  And, for what its worth, I've gotten the dreaded PM's from Jaime telling me to behave and knock something off.....
 
Someone asked, and the answer to something else Christine would get on her highhorse about was walks.  She danged near called Brenda a nazi for not walking her min pins and there were MANY heated discussions on that topic.
 
Betsy, gosh, who could forget Betsy and her button pushing skills??  I did not find her to be particularly knowledgeable, but that could have been that she pushed so many of MY buttons that I couldn't read her posts without bias.  I personally think that Betsy was a 55 year old man who had never had a relationship with anyone or anything other than a cat maybe.[8D]
 
I think that the bottom line is that we all have to accept that the decision to ban someone is not one that is made lightly or nasty PM's and complaints to the powers that be, but IS made with the best interest of the ENTIRE forum in mind.  I think it's probably not very fair to Jaime to question why someone has been sent on their way.

  Hmmmmm, somebuddy opened a giant can of whoop a$$ with this thread

 
Not intentional, I was just thinking.
 
Glenda I completly understand your fear of snakes and I in no way am making light of it. I just was pointing out that I don't think he did it to scare you, I think he did it just to make a laugh. My mother is afraid of frogs and I would chase her around the table with it, just to make her run. I know I was a mean daughter.
 
 
I am not trying to go against Jamie at all. She has a tough job keeping us all in line some days. I think she felt alot of presure from others to take a stand with Joel thats all. I respect how others feel about Joel, I'm not arguing just to argue. I'm just putting in my own opinion as well.

Angel have you learned from this forum? I think you have...about irresponsible breeding and how to deal with it when it hits close to home if nothing else. I think you should be proud of the things you managed to absorb from everyone here.
 
The difference between you and someone like Joel is this...you are capable of admitting a wrong and moving on the better for it....absorbing critizism rightly applied and learning from it...even to the extent that you can then, instruct others from your own unique vantage point. I have seen you do just that.
 
Joel was not here to learn...he was here to stagnate, he posed the exact same issues and questions over and over again...he never even showed a hint of actually visiting or reading ANY of the numerous links and info supplied to him, he never made the effort to go to a dog show or meet a Poodle...he only held his own beliefs tighter when they were exposed as perhaps lacking in substance or basis. He read his five books and all the knowledge in the world was contained in them.
 
THAT is why Joel could never contribute anything except the occasional off color joke to this forum. But I think he was okay with that...because he did not really, want to learn anything new, or be told anything he didn't already know, or have his world shaken up a bit for the better..and that was why I pitied him. His satisfaction with knowing little about dogs...and inability to open his mind to other cultures, sexual orientations, inability to deal with women as equals, etc....was above and beyond that, but was also lamentable.
 
I cannot post his personal insult here because it violates the TOS...just as it did when he posted it. That should tell you something.

Thank you Gina, Yes I have learnt plenty here. Some days I think I should have walked away with my tail between my legs for being such an idiot. But I enjoy the little things I pick up here.
 
I can't say I ever noticed this about Joel. I did see him put in his opinion here and there on certain topics, but I don't remember anything in particular.
 
 

Very well said Gina, particularly what Angel HAS learned and gained from this forum.
 
I have a vague recollection of what Joel said to Gina, and as I recall, it wasn't pretty.....not at all....and had it been said to me, I would have WALKED to where ever he was to have put him on his smug arse!  And I'm not a violent, or very large, person.
 
I know first hand that Jaime just flat does NOT give in to pressure from anyone ON anyone.  Believe me, she got a number (ok a VAST number) of b*tching, complaining and whining emails from me regarding a certain someone and she would NOT budge on that person.  And I also know that I was NOT the only one doing the b*tching, complaining and whining.  And remember, I've often been accused of being "teachers pet" .......which of course I am....who wouldn't ADORE me??[].....so if I couldn't budge Jaime, I'm not sure dynamite would do it.  She follows the rules of the forum to the LETTER.  This is one tough broad who flat out does NOT give in to pressure.  (sorry if you take that last bit as an insult Jaime!)

I understand and you are right. I am not putting Jamie down at all. I know this from seeing the whole Brenda thing play out.I know Joel did what he did and he should have walked away to cool down some days.
 
 

sounds like you all had quite the soap opera going on before i got here!

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I guess I'll have to join Angel in saying I'd like to see Joel come back, too.  I thought he was more funny than disruptive and Ernie is a real cutie. I thought of him and Ernie the day I took Max to the dog park and they were hosting the 1st. annual "Doodle Romp."  If he did try to come back and let us know how he's doing, would he be able to get on?  Proably not. Maybe I'm just weird - I thought some of the *back and forth* between him and Brenda was better than a lot of TV shows.[]

Joyce

I know he went too far at times, but i think he's the only person who ever made me laugh out loud when i was the only person in the room!

Lol then you should spend some more time on Youtube. Does it everytime for me! []

I'll have to check that out when we get back! (leaving for FL in am).

You definitely missed some flames. Nowadays, when people get upset, they usually just walk away, so to speak.
 
Joel raised a good point, now and then, but it could get so clouded in the hubris of his racism and desire for attention that his better points would be lost. He did have some medical issues and I'm not sure (since I am not qualified) exactly how much they contributed to his inability to get along here. Others that aren't here simply couldn't be wrong, ever, amen, which is not, in itself against the rules. But when arguments turn personal and petty, any good point is getting lost in the brouhaha.

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Tina, I am not suggesting that you are/were a member of any group, but you have to admit, there certainly was a "I Hate Joel" group just as there was one for Betsy.  I would hate to think these people could have influenced the decision to ban either of them.

 
Yep, I know there was an "I Hate Betsy" group, too.  Not part of that either, but she did have that kind of posting personality that doesn't mesh with mine - the "I am always right and you have no valid points" type.  I enjoy a good discussion, but when it deteriorates to a blatant fight, I don't want to partake any longer.   I leave the thread. 
 
I'm not stupid by any means.  I learn by reading, asking questions, receiving constructive criticism, having someone show me.  I think about things a lot.  How can I do something better or different?  I've learned a ton here, but usually not when someone is trying to cram the info down my throat in a confrontational way.
 
We all have our hot-button topics.