Such a hard decision (Newest Update On Daisy Not good news with blood results)

    • Gold Top Dog

    Daisy doesn't like cheese I tried peanut butter, sandwich meat, hotdogs wet food I broke open one of her treats put it in between don't work. With Lucky and Copper I can just pop open their mouths and stick the pill in but Daisy Zip it! my fingers will be gone lol She's boss lady.  I'm making rice tonight so I'm gonna make extra and try that. I'll have to look into the pill pocket thanks

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     I've used dried apricots with a lot of success. Yeah for you and Daisy!

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     From what I know about Adequan, it would not work this quickly.  If she is less wobbly, that would be the pain meds.

    Will you do the Adequan shots at home?  Running back and forth to the vet twice a week for 4 weeks gets tiresome, lol.  I am doing it now with Willy, as he decided I could not do his shots, he BIT ME!  Crazy pup.

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     Dipstick takes Tramadol for his degenerated disc. He loves it. Lol. I'm so glad that it's something treatable and everything else came back clean..

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    Don't try to 'hide' it.  TELL HER.  But put it in something that is **slippery** and easy to swallow. 

    Try liverwurst. In the deli section (or near where the hot dogs are in the meat case). Liverwurst is a liver 'sausage' -- depending on where you grew up/family background you may never have heard of the stuff. It's a deli sandwich meat -- sort of like pate? It's made of liver (which at least it does have iron in it). But it's basically ground liver.

    It can be a tad high in fat, BUT they absolutely LOVE it. You can cut it in slices and then wedges and it's soft enough that you can just push a pill in it and they gulp it down.

    I was talking to Al's Mom on the phone the other night (and I'll give the link below this for elsewhere in this big thread I've described how I do this) -- but I actually teach them two opposite commands. (Sort of like teaching a dog to "speak" to then teach them to be "quiet"??) -- I teach them to "chew GOOD" and then I also teach them "just swallow". Essentially - I never hide medicines. NOT EVER.

    I show them the pill. Then I give them a piece of the liverwurst plain so they can see how yummy it is. Then I SHOW them (in Daisy's case TELL her) -- I put a pill in the glop of liverwurst, and have a 2d piece in my other hand. I say "This is your pill -- JUST SWALLOW" and hold it up. But before they can try to suck off the meat and spit out the pill I offer the OTHER piece in my hand -- so they have to swallow it quick in order to get the other piece.

    I literally give them pill after pill after pill this way (just keeping them coming) and reinforcing this is "swallow".

    But then I will haul out bits of steak and HOLD ONTO it as I offer a strip -- so they have to nibble at it to get it in their mouth. "That's GOOD -- CHEW GOOD!!!" -- and continue offering it while I hold onto it so they have to nibble and chew it in order to GET it.

    Eventually they get it. That you are putting the vile stuff into something YUMMY. but when something is good -- you make sure they know to CHEW it (which makes it last longer).

    I give mine all sorts of stuff -- mine will eat watermelon or cantalope **and chew it** (so stuff I'd ordinarily think might give them a stomach ache doesn't because they DO digest it). But at the same time, they snarf down pills because they know I put it in something yummy.  

     You can use doggie **greed** here as well -- let the others have a small piece of liverwurst -- but when she senses the others WANT what she's getting it should make her more prone to eat it quicker.

    After liverwurst the other one I always keep in my "bag of tricks" is BABY FOOD. Meat baby food -- or I will mix a container of baby food veggie with baby food meat (in a small Glad container?). Then, I drop the pills in the mixture and scoop it out with a spoon.

    Same as above -- they actually lick it right off the spoon. Most baby food meat is pretty irresistible. I stick with beef, lamb, turkey, chicken, veal -- no ham. But again it's slippery and goes down EASY.

    I avoid using stuff like peanut butter -- it's sticky. So they wind up trying to get the stuff OFF the pill (and their mouth is too stuck together to swallow sometimes). But the liverwurst and baby food really DO work well.  Peanut butter, cream cheese, liquid cheese?  They tend to be too sticky to go down the hatch easy.

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     She's blind, so this could maybe work better than it does even for Luke. I put the pill on a spoon, with canned food, or something else highly desirable behind it. Then, I present it from above his head, take advantage of gravity there. He wants what's behind it, so he let's the pill just fall down his throat, and then he eats the food behind it.

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    Coke won't take pills either, he thinks I'm trying to poison him.  Even if it's a flavored pill he will pick it out and avoid it.  I just open his mouth with his nose pointed up, drop them as far into his throat as I can, rub his throat, then follow with a treat (or his meal).  I don't make a big deal of it, I just do it and since he gets a treat within a second I don't think he even remembers to care what happened before hand.

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    Uh...it's a tough decision. My brother had a golden lab and was having bad hip issues. We would have to help him up a bit to go outside and he laid around most of the time. At times, he would show some spunk and he seemed happy and content with his life. On occasion, he would breath a little heavy and never thought anything of it. In short, my brother took him to the vet and said that Knuckles, the dogs name was in a lot of pain and the panting was an indication of that. We put him down then. It was very sad but it was best for Knuckles.
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    I am so glad you don’t have to make that decision yet and I hope you never have to.

    You know your dog better then anybody. Trust your gut.

    My Kobe was having a lot of trouble with his back legs and loosing muscle and starting to have accidents.We did Adequan, Tramadol, water treadmill and acupuncture. I really believe they helped improve the quality of his life.

    Magnus can sense a pill coming from a mile away.I always put it in something slippery to, I usually roll it in butter. Probably not the best ,but it works. I do have to try to place it as far back as I can.

    {oops didnt notice this was an older post, hope daisy is doing well }

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    Just an update on Daisy, she's on her 4th shot of Adequan do I see an improvement not a big one that I kind of had my heart set on, really only difference I do see is her tail moves, Daisy's tail doesn't wag anymore but with her getting the shots her tails moves a whole lot more than it has in a while. Next week is her 5th shot then the vet said once a month.

    I did notice taking her in once a week Daisy is losing weight she's at 26lbs now so he ran blood work Thursday I won't hear nothing until Monday also took Lucky in for her senior panel since they had a special $68 between them both and flea meds whole visit cost me $500 ouch.  Once I get the blood test results on Daisy we will go from there vet took her in the back and walked her around he was impressed with how she got along he said she's a bit slow but she was doing great.

    Wish us luck :)

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     I hope her blood work is good. Sometimes older dogs don't digest food as well as when they were younger. If her blood work is good, maybe you could ask your vet about giving her digestive enzymes. You're taking great care of her.

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     I am a huge Adequan fan (have I already said that?  LOL) and my Willy is on it now.  RB Marlin was on it for the last 4 years of his life.  My vet follows the manufacturer's instructions, doing the loading dose  2 shots per week for 4 weeks and THEN the once a month.  The maintenance dose may vary from dog to dog, some can go 5 weeks others need the next shot at 3 weeks.  Marlin did well once a month; Willy has just completed his loading dose and the change is quite noticeable.

     How much did Daisy weigh when she was younger and healthier, do you recall?  That seems very light for an adult Dal, that 26 pounds.

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     Vet only does one shot a week. Daisy has been around 35lbs to 45lbs when she was younger. Daisy is not full dalmatian and she got very short legs but I do get from family members on how she looks to skinny. Daisy eats so the weight loss is odd to me but hopefully blood work will tell us something.

    I hate having to wait for results lol 

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    It sounds like it was an encouraging appointment. Well done, both of you. I do find I have to feed Sinbad just a bit more these days to keep his weight where we want it--esp. as it gets colder. He doesn't mind! (His blood work, thyroid med checks, etc are all right where they should be.) I think he just uses more calories now because he's a lot more active now that it's cool/cold.

    I love her new coat, too--very stylish!

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    daisyprincess
    Daisy eats so the weight loss is odd to me but hopefully blood work will tell us something.

    It **is** typical with an older dog -- they don't use their food quite as well.  As your vet about Pro-zyme or something.  You just add it to their food.  Or your vet may just want you to feed her a bit more. 

    It's really simply that the body doesn't utilize the food as well -- the same way elderly humans tend to get frail.  When we first got Kee Shu she was a porky 16 pounds and I was happy when I got her down to about 12.  But in her last year?  She just got thinner and thinner -- and the last time the vet weighed her she as SIX pounds.  And she ate like a little pork-ette!!