Curious as to your reaction to this article

I certainly didn't make my point nearly as well as you did, Sally.  Thank you.

Glenda although I am younger then you ( please don't take offense)  I hear where you are coming from and personally I like hearing you side.[]

I think when a hetero man and woman see a comely woman wearing something revealing...it goes like this:
 
MAN: "Whoa...she's hot"
 
WOMAN: "OMG...what a tramp! she really should not be wearing that...what would her momma think? ...it's disgusting." 
 
That about says it all, for me...lol!
 
Aside from that, I'd like to think that at least part of the fight for women's rights included the right for women to be sexual, be more assertive and forward in their relationships, and love their bodies enough not to cover them up, and to not be judged by thier appearance, or by what people 'think' they are doing to get ahead, but by their conduct and ability? An ugly woman can sleep her way to the top too, action is different than appearance folks.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

OK fine, I'm an all wet old fart and everything that I think and believe is wrong and I'm trying to put the younger generation of women under my judgmental thumb.  I'm not gonna waste my time trying to explain MY perceptive to folks who don't want to see it.

 
I do see your prespective, but that does not mean that I have to agree with it.
 
As women, we are all in the same boat here.  However, somewhere along the way, we decided it was OK to judge other women based on what they do for a living?  I'm sorry, but I just do not understand that.
 
I respect a stripper working a club because that is the only way she make enough to put food on the table for her kids just as much as I respect a lawyer who has worked her way through school.  We are all in this together.

Thank you for that.  And I'm certainly not offended...I AM almost as old as dirt!
 
My gosh, as recently as the 60's women who DIDN'T stay home with their kids were considered some sort of wierdo's, not real women cuz they didn't want to be home 24/7 cooking, cleaning and wiping snotty noses.  The work that the women of my generation did made it possible for todays woman TO make choices.  I simply stated that I find some of their choices discouraging.  And WHY Billy, does that sweet young thing think she has to dress like a hooker and rub up against a client when she could get the same business by being professional in her approach, dress and demeanor and know what the hell she's talking about??  Jen is absolutely dead right.  I'm not a prude, but dang I get tired of watching strangers having sex on tv.....Jen is right, this IS something that should be between two loving and commited people, not a sales tool.

Jen I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  I don't think there's anything wrong with being anti-Hooters for whatever reason really...the only thing that gets to be scary with viewpoints is when they expand to include judgements on people who work there or eat there. Because i sure don't know them well enough to say much on that score lol!
 
"What about those of us who are anti-Hooters not because it is exploitive of women, but because it degrades sexuality as a whole for both genders?  I don't think sex should be a commodity. It should be a form of expression of intimacy between two adults (personally, I think they should be married, but even if I allowed - in my own mind - pre-marital sex I'd still believe it shouldn't be a commodity).  Hooters, prostitutes, Chippendales, beer ads, "hootchimama" clothing - they ALL encourage a mindset of sex as nothing more than a product for sale or purchase"

I do NOT disrespect the stripper, nor do I judge her.  I do think that she disrepects herself, and devalues herself though.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

OK fine, I'm an all wet old fart and everything that I think and believe is wrong and I'm trying to put the younger generation of women under my judgmental thumb.  I'm not gonna waste my time trying to explain MY perceptive to folks who don't want to see it.

 
Glenda, this is a debate.  Lighten up and have fun with it.  No one is trying to undermine your values or dimininish your views.  At worst, some of us just disagree with you.  Nothing personal.  If you are going to engage in a debate, I learned long ago, you can't take anything personally.
 
So come on.  Jab back.  []

Nope, sorry Billy.  You can have this particular debate without me.

I completely agree with Billy. 

Those requirements should not have been changed so women could "do everything men do" thats rediculous.  Sure, they should be more than welcome to have that job IF in fact they can do what men do.  The job requires something but you can do it because your not strong enough... you cant do it.  Nothing against women... you just CANT do it, sorry move on find something esle.  It makes me ashamed honestly that women have gotten to that point of demanding crazy stuff so that we are EQUAL.  Mmmm common sense here is that if we really were equal nothing would have needed to be changed, correct?  And in all honesty I want a MAN who can successful carry me to safety than a woman who got that job because she threw a fit over whats fair.  Its a selfish battle in many ways IMO. 

Dont get me wrong Im all for women being treated equally but by forcing job requirement to be changed... thats actually being treated differently IMO... totally the opposite. 

I think the Hooters for Neuters thing is a great idea!  I have no problem with Hooters, we go there occasionally and heck I like to look at pretty girls as much as the next guy.  No, Im not gay.. and maybe it stems from growing up with a bunch of guys but I do... and find nothing wrong with it if they want to flaunt it around.  Those who dont like it dont have to go there...

The city saying its emabarrasing to them is rediculous.... then they shouldnt have the restaraunt there at all, no?  [8|]

ORIGINAL: glenmar

And WHY Billy, does that sweet young thing think she has to dress like a hooker and rub up against a client when she could get the same business by being professional in her approach, dress and demeanor and know what the hell she's talking about?? 

 
Exactly because she DOESN'T know what she's talking about Glenda, so she uses the assets she has to the best of her ability.  IOW, she COULDN'T get the same business.  I am sorry to be so obtuse, but  I thought that was pretty obvious.  I thought what we were debating is whether or not she is wrong to do that.
 
In my mind, if she wants to rub her boobs up against a client to sell him advertising and he buys because she does that, what is the harm?  Maybe I do think she is wrong and maybe I don't, but who am I to judge her?

Sure, they should be more than welcome to have that job IF in fact they can do what men do.  The job requires something but you can do it because your not strong enough... you cant do it.  Nothing against women... you just CANT do it, sorry move on find something esle. 

 
I totally agree! A friend of mine trained to become a fireman, and there was a woman in his class. She graduated second in their class at the male requirements level.  SHE should get to be a firefighter.  If they have to reduce the amount of hose you have to carry up 6 flights of stairs 'cause you are a woman, you shouldn't get to be a firefighter. What's so hard about that?

Nope, sorry, I do have one more thing to say.  I find the following comment VERY hypocritical coming from a person who will not allow her daughter to wear, not a bikini, but a two piece bathing suit, and who made somewhat judgemental comments about the attire of a pre-teen girl who sparked a thread some time ago.....
 
Aside from that, I'd like to think that at least part of the fight for women's rights included the right for women to be sexual, be more assertive and forward in their relationships, and love their bodies enough not to cover them up, and to not be judged by thier appearance, or by what people 'think' they are doing to get ahead, but by their conduct and ability?

Please know I absolutely respect Glenda and her views.  (ie, Where's the line between an allegedly incompetant woman rubbing on her clients to edge out competition, and a Hooters waitress flirting and showing off her body in tight shorts?)
 
I also have no idea what was said in the other thread.  However, a re-teen is not the same as a woman.  A woman understands the consequences of using her body as a tool of sexuality.  A pre-teen girl does not.

My apologies to everyone for starting this thread.  I found the article interesting and wanted to see what eveyone thought.  I did not intend for it to start WWIII. 
 
I respect Glenda and Jean for the struggle they endured and how it has paved the way for those following.  I will never forget the pride in my 85 yo grandmother's voice telling a nurse about having her tubes tied back in the late 1940's/early 50's.  She had to wait till her husband was out of town, told her MIL she was traveling to meet him and then hitched a ride to the hospital where she submitted FORGED documentation that she had her DH's permission to have the procedure done.  She told me - "I had 3 kids, that's enough, I am not populating the family farm with cheap labor!".     
 
To use an old ad slogan "We've come a long way Baby!".