Another Neighbor attacked

I've already spoke my mind pages ago.  I'm still following along!  I guess I'm having the most issue with the "pit bull" parents going back to that their breed "isn't supposed to be human aggressive".  OK, well. . .they are. . .now what??  Don't you see you are not doing the breed any favors by not acknowledging what they can and have done? 
 
I love my chow and the breed too.  But, I'm not going to sit here and defend poor behavior or actions.

Whether or not you're naive isn't my concern. I simply quoted you because you brought into the topic historical uses of the APBT. I shared the historical uses of a dog you mentioned and the breed in your avatar. I also shared a historical reference about a breed specifically created to combat man.
 Btw I don't own a pitbull. I've owned them in the past. I've rescued all the pitbulls I've owned. I've put down 2 pitbulls I've owned for temperment problems. Since the dogs were rescued and of unknown breeding culling was the humane recourse. If a dog has temperment issues that don't fit into the breed standard said dog should be culled(whether thats a hard or soft cull would depend on the issues encountered).
 I agree there is no one breed for everyone, but there is a breed for everyone. I'll again state that due to the HSUS proganda campain in the mid to late seventies that put the APBT in its current situation.
 Why not discuss the HSUS involvement in creating this mess?

ORIGINAL: willowchow

I've already spoke my mind pages ago.  I'm still following along!  I guess I'm having the most issue with the "pit bull" parents going back to that their breed "isn't supposed to be human aggressive".  OK, well. . .they are. . .now what??  Don't you see you are not doing the breed any favors by not acknowledging what they can and have done? 

I love my chow and the breed too.  But, I'm not going to sit here and defend poor behavior or actions.

i understand what you're saying but i think the point others are making is that the ones that are guilty of biting are beng labled as APBTs and they're NOT. they are mixes of this or that and have been line bred to look more like APBTs. the biters are no longer fitting the standard because they are over sized and HA AND DA and no longer trustworthy.
and i really agree with that. pit bulls are small dogs. friendly towards people, even if they are DA. they DONT generally make good guard dogs.. or they didnt. but they do now because people are changing them to fit that need. the worst thing you could possibly do is train an APBT to be a protection dog..... but i know several people that will argue that they make GREAT,AMAZING, WONDERFUL protection dogs.....
but WHY? you're teaching them to go against their nature and original purpose. yes they are supposed to bite bulls, or hogs, or each other, but never the hand that feeds them, or even the hand that strikes them down. the ones that do bite should not be getting a second chance. even if it was a nip or snap... it should be dealt with swiftly. because being a dominant breed and very clever one at that..... if they can do it once they will do it again.

ORIGINAL: 2bully
 I'll again state that due to the HSUS proganda campain in the mid to late seventies that put the APBT in its current situation.
Why not discuss the HSUS involvement in creating this mess?

ok you got me.. how? i dont know much about HSUS anyway.... so i really am speaking from pure ignorance in regards to them.

I've acknowledged the fact that a human aggressive pitbull is not a dog bred to fit the standard. I've also stated that I've culled 2 pitbulls I've owned for not having the proper temperment.
 Lets discuss the reasons that pitbulls are in this situation. Why don't you start.

I'll start --
1.  They are being bred improperly, outside the breed standard. 
2.  They are being placed in the wrong hands. 

ORIGINAL: DumDog

ORIGINAL: maizysmom
And none of my dogs have the strenth  and tenacity of a pitbull.

that was the main reason i replied. they have just as much strength and tenacity. and there are a lot of breeds that have to beaten or shot to death... read anout articles about the issue and you'llsee that it isnt just with pits. it depends on THAT individual dog too. and the gang bangers who think its a good idea to feed them gun powder.

and i resent the fact that when i or others try to say its not isolated to one breed that we get accused of being defensive and aggressive and rude.
when we point out that while the dog hurt someone that the root of the problem always leads back to the owner of that dog. and we ask a question - what if the person attacked provoked the dog and didnt even know it was provoking? such as the jogger that was bitten by my friends dal.... all she was doing was jogging down their road - private road, but she didnt know that as there no signs.. essentially she was trespassing.. but the family still had a brick WALL around their property. which didnt mean anything to the dog.

i dont believe you ARE out for BSL or to insult anyone. but i have to point out the fact, not to you but to others that may not know, that you might THINK your breed is safe until something happens. my friends certainly never believed their family dog would do that.....

 
 I have to agree with Maizy on this one. Pit Bulls along with a few other breeds (the Dogo is another one) do have more tenacity than other breeds, they have been bred to withstand pain and they do it very well when in high prey drive. The fact that they can withstand pain better than other breeds is why they can continue to fight where most dogs would quit, or flee. Many of the breeds that have their roots in fighting, or bull baiting have this trait.

The HSUS in the seventies really got the ball rolling. Ultimately they're the organization behind the Animal welfare act circa 1978.
Basically they led a charge by producing large volumes of pamphlets and other "informational" documents that brought the APBT into the spotlight. These "informative" essays were filled with all the hype that the breed is known for today by John Q public.
 The "informative" pamplets were self fulfilling prophecy. You could say that what they produced became the how to manual for every thug and hood rat that wanted the meanest baddest dog ever.
 I bet Marty2007 would be much better versed in the impact that HSUS has had on the APBT.

At the time I was writing that,I was replying to DumDog,not you. When I pressed O.K., all of a sudden your reply was there.  

ORIGINAL: willowchow

I'll start --
1.  They are being bred improperly, outside the breed standard. 
2.  They are being placed in the wrong hands. 

 When a dog is bred outside the standard is that dog still the same breed? How far out of the standard does it take for the dog to stop being recognized as a representation of the breed?
 Answer 2 doesn't need to be clarified.

Sorry, I'm still getting used to how this forum works.

I think a lot of breeds went thru a period of popularity at some point.  But, I don't think the phamplets caused to the dogs to become that way.  They already had an underlying tendency that in the wrong situation could be brought out. 

As far as I know, a dog that is poorly bred and acting outside of the breed standard is still whatever breed it is.  It shouldn't be allowed to bred and continue said defect(s) but it's still a pit bull, a chow, whatever it is.  And, as far as I know, my dog is way outside of breed standard on a lot of things but if I bred her to another purebred chow, they'd also be chows. 

Just because the pit bulls aren't acting like they "should" doesn't make them not a pit bull. That's really wishful thinking, they are still what they are.

I disagree, before the HSUS campaign the APBT was relatively unknown outside the subculture of dog fighting. While the HSUS original intentions were to stomp out the world of fighting dogs, the unintended consquences due to their aggressive campaign are directly related to the current situation that the APBT is embroiled in. The pamphlets became a how to manual.

This topic just deserves one big, fat eye roll.