Another Neighbor attacked

In reply to Xerxes---Why are you so pickey,picking at every word out there?I said this because my husband drives a truck in the inner city and he has said that all you see are pitbulls and you know they don't have them for protection-to them it's a sign of being tough and macho,they couldn't care less about that dog for a companion--you know it and I know it. It makes me sick to see these animals in the hands of those kind of people.  And again, I say why are so many advertised as being mean and nasty---this does nothing for the breed--if you want to go after someone, go after these breeders.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

As far as I know, a dog that is poorly bred and acting outside of the breed standard is still whatever breed it is.  It shouldn't be allowed to bred and continue said defect(s) but it's still a pit bull, a chow, whatever it is.  And, as far as I know, my dog is way outside of breed standard on a lot of things but if I bred her to another purebred chow, they'd also be chows. 

Just because the pit bulls aren't acting like they "should" doesn't make them not a pit bull. That's really wishful thinking, they are still what they are.

 oorly bred and purposely breeding for traits outside the breed standard aren't one and the same. So as long as the dogs aren't registered with a kennel club then thats not a APBT? So by your logic only the physical resemblence is all thats needed to determine what constitutes a specific breed?

So by your logic only the physical resemblence is all thats needed to determine what constitutes a specific breed?

 
Where did I say that?
 

  oorly bred and purposely breeding for traits outside the breed standard aren't one and the same.

 
And, I never said they were one in the same. But, either way, you still have a pit bull or whatever breed it is. 

ORIGINAL: willowchow

As far as I know, a dog that is poorly bred and acting outside of the breed standard is still whatever breed it is.  It shouldn't be allowed to bred and continue said defect(s) but it's still a pit bull, a chow, whatever it is.  And, as far as I know, my dog is way outside of breed standard on a lot of things but if I bred her to another purebred chow, they'd also be chows. 

Just because the pit bulls aren't acting like they "should" doesn't make them not a pit bull. That's really wishful thinking, they are still what they are.

ah but that is where you missed it. the pit bull has been cross bred with other breeds. Akita, Chow, American Bulldog, Amstaff, Mastiffs of all size and varieties, English Bulldog, JRT, Bull Terrier, on and on and on..... according to many members here, a mutt is not a breed and you get a mutt by crossing breeds and therefore create unpredictable results.

And again, I say why are so many advertised as being mean and nasty---this does nothing for the breed--if you want to go after someone, go after these breeders.

i guess its for the same reason a kennel would name itself "Trendy Labradors" www.trendylabs.com... labs should not be viewed as trendy in my opinion since they are big, high energy, high prey drive dogs, and more often than not end up in a shelter because their owners didnt train them properly.
or chowdown kennel, www.chowdown2.com - does that mean they eat them or sell them for food?


 i am looking at my latest issue of Dogfancy as i am typing.... and since i'm not a subscriber.. my latest issue is Dec. 06 the worst thing i saw was "Ruthlessbluepitbulls.com ... but i didnt see big and nasty.... maybe i need to go buy a newer magazine to see what you're seeing.
and aside from that.... #2 on the Bowtie policy says it will not knowingly accept advertising that contains information on a dog's fighting ability.
if you suspect they are not following their own rules then you need to complain to them to be a little more discriminating. i know i certainly would!

ah but that is where you missed it. the pit bull has been cross bred with other breeds.

 
OK, we weren't talking about mixes, we were talking about pit bulls.  I thought 2bully and I were on the same page about that but maybe not?
 
What are you trying to say that pit bulls are not a breed therefore cannot be blamed for their actions? 

ORIGINAL: willowchow

So by your logic only the physical resemblence is all thats needed to determine what constitutes a specific breed?

Where did I say that?

  oorly bred and purposely breeding for traits outside the breed standard aren't one and the same.

And, I never said they were one in the same. But, either way, you still have a pit bull or whatever breed it is. 

 I'm just trying to follow what you're trying to say. Dogs that fail to meet the prescribed standard are curs. Said curs should be culled soft or hard breeders choice. A dog bred purposely out of standard is the foundation for something different rather than a representation of the original stock, regardless of what registration papers are hung on said dogs.

nope what i am saying is to be careful before labeling something as a pit bull based only on looks. it might look like a pit bull... but Kaydee looks like a pit bull too.... only larger. the problem there is American Bulldogs ARE bred to protect against intruders as well as animals. i know this and take the precautions to prevent it from happening -leashes, muzzles, training etc -
but these people breeding their "personal protection pits" didnt get the desired amount of human aggression so they added some more spice under the table. look at the history of the breed and you will see that it is full of cross breedings, more so recently. and a lot of the breeders dont like to tell the truth. why? because pure bred is more valuable.

APBT is a breed... but the average pit bull you see in someones backyard is probably NOT UKC registered and is probably from someone's attempt to alter the breed. but how can you tell?

You cant.
but you can pretty much figure out on your own if a pit bull is lunging and snapping at your general direction that he doesnt like you and wants a piece of you for dinner. THAT needs to be dealt with.

As far as Dog Fancy, starting on page 97 of Sept 2007 issue--
Land of Giants--one of the lines on their ad says "protection dogs"--which you guys have stated they shouldn't be.
 
Raging Thunder Kennels
 
I also see the Ruthless Bluepits which are the Razor's edge and Gottiline bloodlines--someone just posted a picture of one of the puppies and they are gorgeous
 
KO's Monster Squad Kennel--they've got a few pictures in their ad, one of the dogs is named Raging Kano.
 
I don't know, it doesn't do much for the image to have these types of names.  If some punk is looking for a pit bull of course these types of names are going to appeal to him. 
 
My friend bred Am Staffs and showed, her kennel was Rainbow Estate. 

ORIGINAL: willowchow

ah but that is where you missed it. the pit bull has been cross bred with other breeds.

OK, we weren't talking about mixes, we were talking about pit bulls.  I thought 2bully and I were on the same page about that but maybe not?

What are you trying to say that pit bulls are not a breed therefore cannot be blamed for their actions? 

 I'm with you willowchow, I also know of what Dumdog speaks. You can take the American Bullies aka short and wides as prime example.

I agree with you Willow i dont like those names much either. i dont mind a name that emits power and strength... but destruction or rage?? no thank you! and no they DONT need to be advertising PP. i dont like seeing it at all.
as much as i love my ABs... i wouldnt look for a kennel with the words "Rage" in it.... rage is counter productive and destructive to anything near it.... friend or foe.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

As far as Dog Fancy, starting on page 97 of Sept 2007 issue--
Land of Giants--one of the lines on their ad says "protection dogs"--which you guys have stated they shouldn't be.

Raging Thunder Kennels

I also see the Ruthless Bluepits which are the Razor's edge and Gottiline bloodlines--someone just posted a picture of one of the puppies and they are gorgeous

KO's Monster Squad Kennel--they've got a few pictures in their ad, one of the dogs is named Raging Kano.

I don't know, it doesn't do much for the image to have these types of names.  If some punk is looking for a pit bull of course these types of names are going to appeal to him. 

My friend bred Am Staffs and showed, her kennel was Rainbow Estate. 

 Land of Giants has added other breeds to his line.
 Razors edge and Gotti lines are American Bullies.
  

I mean Raging Kano could be the friendliest dog in the world.  But, I'm open minded enough to realize that.  I think most people see that and shudder, "oo, no a pit bull".  And, Dog Fancy is a magazine that I think is pretty much read by a wide variety of people.  Unlike some others who probably have a more "educated" (I use that term for lack of another right now) base of readers.
 

  Razors edge and Gotti lines are American Bullies. 

 
I don't know, but that's not what they appear to be being advertized as.  I went to the site and didn't click on every dog but a lot of them and they all are called American Pit Bull Terriers. 

2bully-should be culled soft or hard breeders choice.

What does soft or hard mean? Is soft an injection,is hard a bullet? [sm=asking03.gif]

I do think that what a dog was bred for is most likely what it will be/do.  I can't picture pits, collies, yorkies, shepherds, etc going out and and setting/pointing quail like the various setters and pointers do.  I can picutre goldens, maltese, chis, shar peis, pits, etc herding sheep. like collies, etc do. I cant' picture shelties, dalmatians, boxers, pits sitting in a duck blind and retrieving ducks like retrievers/labs do.
I xcan't picture goldens, setters, pugs, etc tracking and treeing cougars or going afer bears like the hounds do.
 
Not all dogs do/want to do what they were bred forl  However, I think that tendency is just under the skin in most breeds and is much easier to bring out without kuch trouble.  With the exception of one gun shy setter, all our setters and pointers were eager to hunt/retrieve quail in a very short time and it really took very little work.    We have only trained one golden for duck retriever and he brought back his first duck at age 6 months and on his 3rd hunt.  If it is what they were bred for, it doesn't take much to bring out that "breeding" in most dogs....be it hunting, herding, guarding or fighting.

Soft cull is spay or nueter. Hard cull is euthanasia. This isn't the old days when a sack and a body of water deep enough to submerge that sack was an acceptable means of culling.
 Should I be worried as to how you chose to quote me? It reads as that I should be culled by my breeders.