Another Neighbor attacked

Guys, it's pretty obvious that this thread isn't going anywhere productive! It was started to get a rise out of people, and it did!

so do you care to answer the questions you posed about your dog and experience.

 
As soon as Bob can admit that his dog is a mix of GSD and Pit Bull.
 

Excuse me if I sound stupid, but what do you mean by "the trolls"?

I was actually down in Fremont/San Jose when this whole PB attack took place. I can't tell you how upsetting the whole thing was to hear about (over and over) and what a letdown it was to find out that this PB, Swisher, was the mother's (who was hurt pretty badly) neighbor's dog!
 
How can somebody be so darn negligent to their own neighbor? She was betrayed.
 
It amazes me that this young couple (renters who don't have a dime on them, I'm sure) were unable to learn their lesson the first time this dog attacked somebody. Swisher was held at the pound UNTIL they labeled their house, had a muzzle, and had a kennel. Obviously, they weren't being at all compliant with the law and with the paper they signed promising to keep him secure.
 
And if Swisher hadn't been recognized, I wonder if the neighbors would have (ever) come forward.
 
There was also another story of a woman near LA whose PB/Aussie mix attacked the mailman and he was eventually put down, though she fought long and hard to keep him. Not too long after her dog was put down, her second dog bites a person.
 
Really? You don't learn from the first experience? You don't feel bad enough to know that you have to be so very careful going forward? Neither of these owners did.
 
I guess this shows that people get over things quickly and move on without reflection.
 

ORIGINAL: maizysmom

Excuse me if I sound stupid, but what do you mean by "the trolls"?

 
Trolls are people who post to simply get a rise out of everyone else.  They post something they know will cause problems with the intent to cause the problems. 

Thank you.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

I have been thinking that for a long time, without stating on on the forum. Many of these posts express zero sympathy for the victim(s) and what they went though, but instead , are totally focused on "snapping and snarling" at the people reporting that it  happened.   .   It makes one wonder why people with that attitude seem so attracted to this breed...[&:]

 
"Pickalittle, Talkalittle, Chirp, Chirp, Chirp"

ORIGINAL: maizysmom

I started reading this thread hours ago,not realizing  I was in it till just before to welcome Dogsoldier.I saw her name as a new member and just pointed to her comment and thought I would welcome her.I nowsee how long this went on. Since I am here I just want to say I think everyone is entitled to their opinion,including Bob.I don't think he should be insulted for giving his opinion nor should the poor woman who's dog was attacked.She is totally entitled to hate the breed because of what happened to her.What I find funnyis that all the people that own that breed,seem very aggressive, themselves,from what I've been reading on this thread. 
  I, myself, feel it is the irresponsable owner, not the dog.However,what scares me about the breed is the fact of their tremendous strength and their tenacity to hold on forever.In reading on the breed,it states,many years ago,they worked in the fields with the farmers and if a bull was going to attack the farmer, the dog would grab the bull by the nose and hang on until that bull gave up, even if that meant the dog ,himself gets hurt.  Now if that is true,than I also would be deathly afraid if I encounterd one,just knowing that this is what is in the breeds characteristics.  I was bit as a child in the face, two differant times by my aunts bulldog. It still did not make me afraid of it--but that was a small bulldog.The large ones are bred to be strong and as I said to Dogsoldier, why do some breeder name their kennel"Big and Nasty" breeders as I  saw in DogFancy.The dog in that picture looks terrifying. Again,I don't hate any breed,and any dog can bite, but a doxie doesn't have anywhere near the strength of a pit bull.
    I guess what I'm saying is --yes I would be afraid if I saw a pitbull come at me, and yes,like Bob said, do you stand there and wait till he starts to tear you apart--by than it's to late.I don't think they should be banned,but they are a powerful force to be reckoned with.

  Its unfortunate that people are bit. Its also unfortunate that people continue allow unstable dogs of all breeds to continue breathing.  I chose to quote you, because you mention the historical aspect of an APBT as a farm dog that handled unruley livestock. Livestock and humans are different, dog aggression and human aggression is different. A dogs ability to work livestock in a particular way doesn't mean that they'll perform that work on humans. By that logic we all should be in constant fear of Bull Mastiffs, historically these dogs were specifically created to attack multiple people. Your reference to "doxie" , I assume is Dashund. These little terrors were bred to hunt badgers. They would send them down the badgers hole, where the dog would fight the badger. We could also discuss the historical roots of the dog in your avatar. Ultimately its the owner of the dog that needs to be held responsible for their dogs action, regardless of breed. Any dog can be a danger to somebody. Every dog that has teeth is capable of biting. Any breed could be the next one in the spot light. All it will take is one breed to be banned nationally to start the ball rolling.

As I said, the pitbull is much stronger than a doxie.And you're right,I do have a dal, and I know they get a bad rap.Our daughter got one and it was not home three hours---I went in to my daughter's bedroom and the dog was on the bed.I bent down to fix something on the nightstand,I saw her come towards me and next thing I knew, she bit me on the side of my face--not much damage, but I told my daughter the dog goes. She ended up being put down.My daughter than wanted another one. She saw some rescue pups, we went with, and the rest is history.We bought one and she bought a sister.I've never had a more loving,humanlike dog. She is wonderful.However,I will not get so worked up and call down people if they feel that the breed is no good.Again, it is all up to the owner and responsibility.  And none of my dogs have the strenth  and tenacity of a pitbull.I do not dis like the breed,I think they are adorable and I feel sorry for them as a whole,but I still feel everyone is entitled to their opinion without being called down.  Bottom line is they still have powerfull jaws and most of these poor dogs are owned by people who only use them for fighting----I find that so very sad..Those people should be put in the pit and let the dogs attack them..

ORIGINAL: maizysmom
We bought one and she bought a sister.I've never had a more loving,humanlike dog. She is wonderful.However,I will not get so worked up and call down people if they feel that the breed is no good.Again, it is all up to the owner and responsibility.  And none of my dogs have the strenth  and tenacity of a pitbull.

i beg to differ. my best friend had to have hers put down because it mauled a jogger (jumped the fence to bite her once, and a second time it actually succeeded in doing major damage but the jogger didnt press chargers - for some reason) and attacked a girl scout.... bite her on the face and almost took her ear off.
this dog was purchased as a puppy and raised in a stable family environment. their history is also similar to the bull mastiff in that they were people biting guard dogs as well as coach dogs whose job was to keep street dogs from attackind chasing the horses. their origins are similar to pit bulls and pretty much just an offshoot of the pit bull. they are capable of doing as much damage as a pit bull or any other breed. dont be naive in thinking you're safe from your breed ever biting a stranger or becoming dog aggressive. my friend and her family were certainly shocked to their toes when their Dal, who played happily with their three children, suddenly tried to remove the face of a girl not much older than their own daughter.

I wasn't referring to the bad rap the Dalmation got due to poor breeding practices due to hollywood hype. I was referring to the Dalmations creation as a carriage dog. They didn't ride, they ran with the carriage usually under the carriage right next to the wheels. A dog specifically bred to engage a badger in its den, certainly should be considered formidable.  A dog bred to run with horses all day long and also routinely used to guard occupants in the carriages should also be considered formidable. APBT historically were bred not to be human aggressive. All breed standards concerning the APBT mention human aggression is not desirable. Human aggressive APBT should be culled as they don't fit the breed standard, thus no longer being a APBT but rather a cur. THE HSUS IS THE SOLE ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE APBT CRISIS. With that shouted from the hilltops, Ill wait a few to see the results.
 

I am not naive and never said my dal or doxie would  not necessarily attack someone--where do you see that I said that?  I have always taught my daughters to NEVER trust any dog--no matter who's dog it is.  And  as far as pits go,  why is it when they attack, they literally have to be beaten away with a baseball bat or shot... They did this years ago to bulls but they don't do it to humans now?  Who are you trying to kid?  and I ask any one of you---what if it was your child  that got attacked?   Don't accuse me of banning pits---I never said that--I merely stated that they are very powerfull and tenatious --and as for the doxie,all it would take is one good kick and she would stop--youi can't do that with a pitbull.  I love all breeds but certain ones are more dangerous than others and should not be owned by certain people.   And I see what BOB  means--you can't say anything without getting ridiculed..I don't get all defensive over my dogs, but all of you pitbull owners seem to want to argue!

ORIGINAL: maizysmom
  And none of my dogs have the strenth  and tenacity of a pitbull.

that was the main reason i replied. they have just as much strength and tenacity. and there are a lot of breeds that have to beaten or shot to death... read anout articles about the issue and you'llsee that it isnt just with pits. it depends on THAT individual dog too. and the gang bangers who think its a good idea to feed them gun powder.

and i resent the fact that when i or others try to say its not isolated to one breed that we get accused of being defensive and aggressive and rude.
when we point out that while the dog hurt someone that the root of the problem always leads back to the owner of that dog. and we ask a question - what if the person attacked provoked the dog and didnt even know it was provoking? such as the jogger that was bitten by my friends dal.... all she was doing was jogging down their road - private road, but she didnt know that as there no signs.. essentially she was trespassing.. but the family still had a brick WALL around their property. which didnt mean anything to the dog.

i dont believe you ARE out for BSL or to insult anyone. but i have to point out the fact, not to you but to others that may not know, that you might THINK your breed is safe until something happens. my friends certainly never believed their family dog would do that.....

most of these poor dogs are owned by people who only use them for fighting---

Really?  Where do you get your stats on that?  Out of the 12-15 pits I see a week, there's only one that I'd even say is questionable...and he's got no scars.  The rest are owned by some pretty responsible people. 

So if by "most" you mean one out of 15, then I'll agree with you.

I am not out to insult anyone and I hope I didn't.  To me, bottom line is   Don't Trust Any Dog  and I will put this issue to rest. I wouldn't want your dog banned anymore than my dog.that's all![]