Another Neighbor attacked

lab attack...
[linkhttp://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/2006/June/Lab0606.pdf]http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/2006/June/Lab0606.pdf[/link]

edit: more recent lab attack
[linkhttp://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/2007/August/Labkillsdog0801.pdf]http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/2007/August/Labkillsdog0801.pdf[/link]

poodle with attack history (people are refused by insurance company)...
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/2005/June2005/Poodleremainsvicious0605.pdf

ORIGINAL: sallya

For most people, the main concern is the damage they cause, not just a bite. I don't hear many packs  labs or poodle attacking people and pets. I am sure someone will find a story about a  pack of poodles now, ha. The strength and damage of some breeds, not just pitbulls, is the scary part. In my case it was a Rott.. Just one thank goodness. More that one would have been a diff. ending I am afraid.

That is the point that my post was trying to show . Problem is that  some  folks would rather ridicule anyone that posts anything  that reflects negatively on this breed  than address the issue that these frequent attacks raise. Kind of a pack mentality I guess ( no pun intended). I am really surprised that someone hasn't tried to blame the victim for this attack yet, as that usually is one of the first lines of defence.  []

ORIGINAL: cyclefiend2000

Not many good things written about PB's in my area. If you find any, why dont you post them here so we can all read them...

[linkhttp://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/jfloyd/stories/DN-floyd_12met.ART.North.Edition1.3db0298.html]http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/jfloyd/stories/DN-floyd_12met.ART.North.Edition1.3db0298.html[/link]
[linkhttp://www.theolympian.com/570/story/205450.html]http://www.theolympian.com/570/story/205450.html[/link]
[linkhttp://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/NEWS01/708290320]http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/NEWS01/708290320[/link]
[linkhttp://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/dixie.html]http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/dixie.html[/link]

several other positive stories contained here...
[linkhttp://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress.html]http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress.html[/link]

Which one of these links  is talking about the Atlanta Area.......

a few years ago, and she said it was like living nest to a "hand grenade".  She said she was nervous everytime she walked her dogs.

yeah well that tells me nothing. there was an old friendly pit bull in the local community park being patted on the heads by toddlers eating cupcakes - no owner insight, no leash, no collar, he didnt hurt anyone, didnt even steal from the kids. but one old lady was practically clawing up one side of the mayor because there was a pit bull on the loose. her actions would have told you "that dog is vicious and foaming at the mouth and straining to bite someone!" but the dog was just laying there..... then he got up and left the park all on his own! [8|] some people are just cowards.....


dont be afraid - be alert... ya know? dog's react to fear.


and i will be the bad guy now. no one was there to witness the attack. i have seen old people with my own eyes swing their canes at dogs just because the dog is there. who is to say he didnt react out of fear?
i wont judge a situation until i am there to see it myself. the media is full of hype and you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Which one of these links is talking about the Atlanta Area......

winder isnt exactly considered part of the atlanta metro area.

not my fault that the ajc is one sided in their reporting.[&:]

For most people, the main concern is the damage they cause, not just a bite. I don't hear many packs labs or poodle attacking people and pets. I am sure someone will find a story about a pack of poodles now, ha. The strength and damage of some breeds, not just pitbulls, is the scary part. In my case it was a Rott.. Just one thank goodness. More that one would have been a diff. ending I am afraid.

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I do think that is it.  It isn't the bite, it is THE BITES, the attack that goes on and on  Both of my boys have been bitten--one while riding in the middle of the street throwing papers 9he was the 3rd child the dog had bitten), the other was sitting in front of me at a company picnic eating when someone tossed a bone to the VP's dog walking in front of Randy--and it turned and nailed Randy right int he face.  In each case, there was only one bite. Both dogs were German Shepherds. When the Pit/boxer mix around the bend attacked the little girl 2 houses down, she was bitten on arms, legs, head, face and even her side.  They decided that dog meant to kill Val and it was killed right then.  Never had a problem with that dog in the 3-4 years it had lived there til that day.
 
And as Sallya said, I have never heard of a group of poodles or pointers or irish Setters or Collies or Goldens, or Pekes, etc attacking--altho it could have happened, could happen tomorrow.  But very often it is 2-3 pits that attack together.  Maybve if never together they might not attack, maybe it is a "compitetion" thing, who knows.  But i do believe it is that multi-dog attacks that isn't just a single bite, but multiple bites, even death, that is causing so much trouble for all pits.

A quick google for any recent stats does not support the notion that pit bulls are particularly vicious or at risk.
 
The largest percentage of dog bites go unreported, especially if they did not result in a hospital visit. In recent stats, GSDs and Chows lead. In the 70's, it was the GSDs and Rotties. The problem is a number of people owned big guard dogs for reasons of security, image, what have you.  At another time, I read a stat that showed a large number of bites come from Labs and Huskies. It is not the breed, it is the human failure factor. Plus a prevalence of a breed in an area gives the appearance that one breed over another is vicious. Also, modernly, any time a pit bull bites, it gets front page coverage. When a Long-haired Chihuahua bites, no one calls the papers. Dobies used to get coverage. Whatever people thought was the vicious dog got the media attention. But neither the CDC nor researchers such as Ian Dunbar can point to anyone breed as more vicious than any other.
 
Also, with the spotty collection of stats, you can find different arrays of stats depending on the viewpoint of the author.
 
Maybe I should search databases and post every time an Akita bites. Or  lab. Of course that requires the media to be fair and balanced, which may or may not be a piped dream.
 

ORIGINAL: DumDog
and i will be the bad guy now. no one was there to witness the attack. i have seen old people with my own eyes swing their canes at dogs just because the dog is there. who is to say he didnt react out of fear?
i wont judge a situation until i am there to see it myself. the media is full of hype and you have to take it with a grain of salt.

 
 
There are people in this world that are afraid of dogs, and they may wave their hands at the dog, etc.  The dogs shouldn't be loose in the first place, and people should be able to take walks without being accosted by animals. But, a dog should not take hand/stick/etc waving as an invitation to maul someone for ten minutes.  I hope the owners are held responsible for the hospital bills.
 
This is not a breed issue, it is a human one.  Irresponsible owners do dogs of every breed no favor.

i want to add on the topic of attacking poodles......
my step mom's terrier was mauled to death in their living room when a neighbour's standard poodle shoved its way through the front door JUST so it could attack this dog. it wasnt the first time it had gone after their dog either.
both of my grandmother's had toy breeds that would bite and shake... like a pit bull... but they were toy breeds.... i hated toy poodles for YEARS... and i hated Pekes even more. one of my grandmother's had a peke, and a peke/pom that would go for your leg every time you walked by.... they especially went after children.... but their big ole American Bulldogs and their one pit bull were baby sitters.....


i also knew one guy that had been mauled by a pit bull. i met him when he came in to fix my mom's computer. they worked at the jail together also. the conversation sparked when he met Kaydee... and everyone's first impression of her is that she is a giant pit.... despite being attacked he had no hate or fear of the breed. and do you know WHY he was attacked? he was in cub scouts at the time (factors 1. and 2. kids, male,) and the dog was the mascot.... someone (an adult male) thought it would be funny to give the dog beer..... so when this boys went running across the yard to pile into the van to go home the dog nailed one of them.....

incidentally, the dog wasnt put to sleep.... no one pressed chargers. the victim WAS taken to the ER and stitched up, but he wasnt scarred for life.

you dont know ALL the factors or how people treat their dogs when they finally do snap.

ORIGINAL: grab01

ORIGINAL: DumDog
and i will be the bad guy now. no one was there to witness the attack. i have seen old people with my own eyes swing their canes at dogs just because the dog is there. who is to say he didnt react out of fear?
i wont judge a situation until i am there to see it myself. the media is full of hype and you have to take it with a grain of salt.

There are people in this world that are afraid of dogs, and they may wave their hands at the dog, etc.  The dogs shouldn't be loose in the first place, and people should be able to take walks without being accosted by animals. But, a dog should not take hand/stick/etc waving as an invitation to maul someone for ten minutes.  I hope the owners are held responsible for the hospital bills.

This is not a breed issue, it is a human one.  Irresponsible owners do dogs of every breed no favor.

i agree with you, but you have to admit that if you have a dog that approaches you the last thing you want to do is kick or wave your hands at it. these are dogs, but they're still animals....
there are some people that you dont jump out and scare for laughs because they will deck you as an instinctual reaction. you've scared them. they feel they're in danger. they attack before you do.
and i agree that we SHOULD be able to walk down the street without worrying about someone's dog getting loose.... but it happens. which is why i say "dont be afraid, be alert"
it will be interesting to find out if these dogs have a record or not. if the old man took this route often or if these were new dogs to the area.

ORIGINAL: DumDog

ORIGINAL: grab01

ORIGINAL: DumDog
and i will be the bad guy now. no one was there to witness the attack. i have seen old people with my own eyes swing their canes at dogs just because the dog is there. who is to say he didnt react out of fear?
i wont judge a situation until i am there to see it myself. the media is full of hype and you have to take it with a grain of salt.

There are people in this world that are afraid of dogs, and they may wave their hands at the dog, etc.  The dogs shouldn't be loose in the first place, and people should be able to take walks without being accosted by animals. But, a dog should not take hand/stick/etc waving as an invitation to maul someone for ten minutes.  I hope the owners are held responsible for the hospital bills.

This is not a breed issue, it is a human one.  Irresponsible owners do dogs of every breed no favor.

i agree with you, but you have to admit that if you have a dog that approaches you the last thing you want to do is kick or wave your hands at it. these are dogs, but they're still animals....
there are some people that you dont jump out and scare for laughs because they will deck you as an instinctual reaction. you've scared them. they feel they're in danger. they attack before you do.
and i agree that we SHOULD be able to walk down the street without worrying about someone's dog getting loose.... but it happens. which is why i say "dont be afraid, be alert"
it will be interesting to find out if these dogs have a record or not. if the old man took this route often or if these were new dogs to the area.

 
well you and I (and likely every member of this forum) knows to not make sudden moves at strange dogs, but many people still don't. Especially, many times, the elderly. The way dogs were dealt with years ago is vastly different than how it is now, and many times older people don't have the desire or the means to keep up with newer methods.

which is why there needs to be more effort in making public service announcements. i DO commend the AKC because lately i've seen them sponsor commercials about kids and how they should and should not behave around dogs.... but it isnt enough.

Problem is that some folks would rather ridicule anyone that posts anything that reflects negatively on this breed

 
It's pretty scary to think that oneday it may be illegal to own the breed you love.

I think every one knows you dont like these dogs. let face it look at the reputation atlanta has for pitbull fights ect. It has alot of problems with terrible owners. If you were up here and met the pitbulls I know you would see a world of a difference. We have pitbulls have a great time at the dog park playing with every breed, none have ever shown a problem. I have met tons of pitbulls in the city my friends own, all sweet and more outgoing (wanting more attentiong) then my collie does from strangers. I got sat/licked to death when I sit on a couch as they all think they are lap dogs. They bring me their toys and sit them on my lap lol

ORIGINAL: sallya

For most people, the main concern is the damage they cause, not just a bite. I don't hear many packs  labs or poodle attacking people and pets. I am sure someone will find a story about a  pack of poodles now, ha. The strength and damage of some breeds, not just pitbulls, is the scary part. In my case it was a Rott.. Just one thank goodness. More that one would have been a diff. ending I am afraid.

[linkhttp://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm]http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/AllDogsBite.htm[/link]
 
This shows a list of dogs attacking in the last few months. Some packs of dogs.