Another Neighbor attacked

I am simply stating what I see in my community, regarding some  Pit Bulls and their effect on the people in the community and how the citizens respond to that effect.

fair enough. i guess many people have mistaken you for a pit bull hater, when in actuality you are really an pit bull lover. my apologies.

for the record, i am anti-breed specific legislation. i think there are some bad dogs out there, and some bad owners out there. laying all the blame on pit bulls and pit bull owners is a pretty stupid thing to do.

bobsk8,

are you opposed to breed specific legislation that targets pit bulls? i would love to know who i can count on to help write letters the next time some crack pot legislator proposes one.

Don't worry about addressing any points I made.  I've come to the conclusion that solving the problem or educating people is your last concern. 

I can't be bothered to waste my time trying to root the sense out of a fear monger.  And I have to protect myself from becoming needlessly frustrated with someone who isn't willing to do more than spout the same nonsense over and over.

ORIGINAL: ron2

Somehow, I knew I wouldn't get an answer.

Are you against BSL? Or for?

What breed is your dog? Has he ever bitten anyone? My dog bit me once and I did not report it. It was my mistake of handling. I may just keep posting these questions until I get an answer or the thread dies. Warning: I can give "stubborn" lessons to mules.

those are pretty direct questions. i went on record with my opinion in my previous post. anyone who wants to bring it up at a later date, feel free to. i have nothing to hide in my closet except my jazz shoes. []

enquiring minds want to know. i want to know! []

I had a feeling that you didn't do anything......

 
Amazing concept isn't it.  Allowing the legal system to handle someone who broke the law. 
 
I still would like to know what you thing about the statement posted that says that breed bans and BSL don't work.   Do you deep down know this to be true???
 

ORIGINAL: ron2

Somehow, I knew I wouldn't get an answer.

Are you against BSL? Or for?

What breed is your dog? Has he ever bitten anyone? My dog bit me once and I did not report it. It was my mistake of handling. I may just keep posting these questions until I get an answer or the thread dies. Warning: I can give "stubborn" lessons to mules.

 
Hee Hee!  Ron2, if you look at your original post, you will see you are responding to yourself, so do you care to answer the questions you posed about your dog and experience. 

I chose a german shepherd...some people don't like them, i don't expect them to. But not everyone wants to own a "wonderful" breed like golden retrievers and irish setters. I sure don't. But i wont going around asking why anyone chose the breed they chose...everyone has their own reasons.

 
Not all goldens and irish are wonderful dogs.  But I have owned both and i can say with dead certainly I never had to "keep them under control" or keep them away from other dogs or muzzle them for fear of them attacking another dog or person.  Not all dogs that attack other dogs are pit bulls.  A 4 month old golden pu was attacked by a mastiff that dug under the fence and nailed her in her own back yard.  She spent a week in the hospital with drains in many of the 20 puncture wounds in her neck.  It was a fox hound that as allowed to get close to my Honey at the vet's and tried to attack her.  When we were at my brother's for Hurricane rita their bassett went after Honey in their house.  Made my brother so mad he put Belle outside and made her stay there.  i felt that wrong, Honey was "invaded" her home.  However, she took right to kayCee.  In both cases with my Honey she was laying on her tummy froggy style, tail just a wagging, tongue hanging out, when the dogs tried to attack her. I have no idea why the fox hound tried to attack her, but do feel Belle thought her home invaded.

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

And Noblewoman, I'll NEVER bring my dog around you and your dog.
Don't worry.

I don't bring my dog around too many other dogs because I know she doesn't like other dogs.

But don't step into this thread with an air of ANY kind of arrogance.

I was harrassed and attacked by an English Sheepdog. I don't hate them because of it. I wouldn't tell someone to keep them away from me and my dog.


If you want to hate, that's fine.

IF ANY of you in this thread want to hate pit bulls or think they are some man-eating, baby killing machines, THAT'S FINE.

This is the LAST time I will SAY THIS IN THIS THREAD.
A TRUE APBT WILL NEVER HARM A HUMAN. THEY ARE NOT BRED TO BE HUMAN AGGRESSIVE OR ATTACKING, KILLING MACHINES. THEY WERE BRED TO BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE.


I wish some of you would educate yourselves on WHAT A TRUE APBT is.

No, they aren't the short and wide dogs. NO they are not the 110 lbs. dogs that whose heads are bigger than your entire torso.

Educate yourselves because ME and MY HATED DOG are done.
I'm sorry, I'm with SillySally on this one.

You claim to hate a breed and you talk bad about an entire breed and want to lay down specific laws on my dog's breed, then you're insulting MY DOG.

You want to zero in on my dog's breed and how AWFUL they are, FINE.

But I'm done and I'm gone. You got your way, Bob.
You've riled up two pit bull owners enough to get them to leave for a while.
But you're not getting my dog and you are NOT going to destroy this breed.

Your fear will eat you ALIVE before I allow THAT to ever happen.

Have a nice day all you Pit Bull haters. I hope you all wake up to realize just how ignorant you are one day.

I'm hardly being arrogant. I simply told you a factual account of what happened to me and my dog. If you don't like what I said because it involved a PB you need to get over it. It happened to me and I'm entitled to feel anything I want afterward. If I want to hate PB it's my right. The one who is arrogant is you! 'How dare I hate PB after what happened to me and my dog, right? I'm so ignorant, or the whole thing is simply 'drivel' as someone else said. [8|]
Unless you have personally been through something like that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. It's as simple as that. It's all hypothetical scenario's and it's not even close to the real thing.
As for you not hating English Sheepdogs, fine. Hate 'em or love 'em, it's your right. But don't tell me that because you don't hate sheepdogs I shouldn't hate PB. [8|]

ORIGINAL: DPU

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

Where did I say that all Pit Bulls are mean and human aggressive,

So then you are against BSL for this breed.  I would like to understand what you want. 

Apparently Bob would also like to understand what he wants.  He seems to vacillate quite a bit, don't you think?

ORIGINAL: noblewoman

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

And Noblewoman, I'll NEVER bring my dog around you and your dog.
Don't worry.

I don't bring my dog around too many other dogs because I know she doesn't like other dogs.

But don't step into this thread with an air of ANY kind of arrogance.

I was harrassed and attacked by an English Sheepdog. I don't hate them because of it. I wouldn't tell someone to keep them away from me and my dog.


If you want to hate, that's fine.

IF ANY of you in this thread want to hate pit bulls or think they are some man-eating, baby killing machines, THAT'S FINE.

This is the LAST time I will SAY THIS IN THIS THREAD.
A TRUE APBT WILL NEVER HARM A HUMAN. THEY ARE NOT BRED TO BE HUMAN AGGRESSIVE OR ATTACKING, KILLING MACHINES. THEY WERE BRED TO BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE.


I wish some of you would educate yourselves on WHAT A TRUE APBT is.

No, they aren't the short and wide dogs. NO they are not the 110 lbs. dogs that whose heads are bigger than your entire torso.

Educate yourselves because ME and MY HATED DOG are done.
I'm sorry, I'm with SillySally on this one.

You claim to hate a breed and you talk bad about an entire breed and want to lay down specific laws on my dog's breed, then you're insulting MY DOG.

You want to zero in on my dog's breed and how AWFUL they are, FINE.

But I'm done and I'm gone. You got your way, Bob.
You've riled up two pit bull owners enough to get them to leave for a while.
But you're not getting my dog and you are NOT going to destroy this breed.

Your fear will eat you ALIVE before I allow THAT to ever happen.

Have a nice day all you Pit Bull haters. I hope you all wake up to realize just how ignorant you are one day.

I'm hardly being arrogant. I simply told you a factual account of what happened to me and my dog. If you don't like what I said because it involved a PB you need to get over it. It happened to me and I'm entitled to feel anything I want afterward. If I want to hate PB it's my right. The one who is arrogant is you! 'How dare I hate PB after what happened to me and my dog, right? I'm so ignorant, or the whole thing is simply 'drivel' as someone else said. [8|]
Unless you have personally been through something like that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. It's as simple as that. It's all hypothetical scenario's and it's not even close to the real thing.
As for you not hating English Sheepdogs, fine. Hate 'em or love 'em, it's your right. But don't tell me that because you don't hate sheepdogs I shouldn't hate PB. [8|]

You will find that many of the posts that have  anyone saying anything negative about Pit Bulls or posting any reports of dog attacks by that breed, or any concerns about them , can get some rather nasty replies from some folks. Kinda reminds me of a dog pack attack........[]  Happens almost everytime . no matter who posts.  You will find that if you try to defend yourself, you will be accused of almost everything...  Don't let it bother you, it's kinda like watching prowrestling.......  [sm=flamethrower.gif]

Post edited because it is clear an answer will not be given, so further questioning is pointless.

[align=left]  [align=left]Someone may have already said this, but the dog in the video Bob posted was reported to be 130 lbs. No staffy bull, am staff or APBT is 130 lbs.

Noblewoman - I am terribly sorry that you and your dog were attacked. That is terrible.

I am even more sorry that you haven't had the opportunity in life to meet a nice PB. In the right hand, they can be incredible dogs. It breaks my heart that people can be blinded by fear to the point where they don't want to give any pit a chance.

If you were in my area. I would offer to bring Rosco to meet you. With a muzzle if that's what it took for you to be comfortable and feel safe, so you could see what a great PB is.

For those of us with pits, its one day at a time, one person who is fearful or hateful at a time, and hopefully one mind changed or opened up a bit at a time. Sometimes it's hard to keep our heads, because like anyone on the board, we love our dogs.

ETA - Bob, I think I try very hard to "play nice in the sandbox" with an issue that sits so close to the heart. Please let me know in a PM if you feel otherwise.

And changed the word "your" to "our".

Oh geez I didn't catch that little detail of the 130 lb "pit bull".

Yeah, not a pit bull. In my work in volunteering at the shelter, which is chocked full of pits and pit mixes (60-75% at times) I have seen some big, poorly bred, oversized pits but NEVER one that big. They just do not get that big. Even people breeding for hippo-like frames don't breed them that big--they're still fairly small dogs.

Which leads us right back to why BSL doesn't work. If a breed is banned and no one can even correctly identify what that breed looks like, all of our dogs are at risk.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: kelliope

We have rescued many pits and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly.

My sister has "rescued" many and not quite done what she needs to do to keep them from getting into trouble.  Her heart is in the right place, but pits have a certain nature you just can't take for granted.  She left a can of cat food on the kitchen counter one day and ran out for an errand.  The dogs (3 pits all altered and living together for some time) were left in the kitchen.  When she got home one of the pits was ripped to shreds, blood all over the kitchen, cat food can on the ground and licked clean.  She raced the dog to the vet and tried to save her but she died at the vets.  Very tragic.  She knew the dogs could be food aggessive, but forgot about the cat food can.

Then there is some of my husband's family who think pits are a status symbol.  One of them (32 years old, but acts less than 20!) proudly tells me how he BOUGHT a pit puppy for $3k.  Shows me the ad.  It's for "fighting" pits.  Nice.  Says the puppy cost so much because it is aggressive and a "blue nose".  The guy is never home, puppy is not being socialized or trained.  They think neutering is "cruel".  They all laughed at me when I neutered my chihuahua.  I told them they didn't need to worry about my chihuahua's sex life and that, sadly, they will still be able to breed even if my dog can't.   This guy recently took his intact dog to the dog park and ran off half the people there.

The whole thing just sickens me.  The dog will eventually pay the price.  Right now he is still a pretty sweet puppy, but what chance does he have with an owner like that????  I have nothing more to do with these people, but that isn't going to change them.  And that seems to be the sad fate of many of the world's pits.

The only ban I'd like to see in place is on people like my husband's cousin.

That type of person is unfortunately fairly  typical of the Pit buyers in this area. Many of them are not S/N, ( especially the males)  many are not trained, and probably over 1/2 of them wind up in shelters by the time they are full grown. 

 
Doesnt this tell you somthing? Not speutard, or trained and living in a shelter by the age of say 1.5 years? Seems like a hard uneducated life, any dog would obviously push as many buttons as possible if not trained by this age, flipped from house (maybe a few homes) then in rescue (so not a stable home base) and maybe even more tendency to want to get to a female as they are not snipped? Obviously any dog in these circumstances cana nd sadly most likley be a poor family candidate.
 
There is a dog at the dog park. He is a shepherd mix, 11 months old. Not trained a day in his life, friendly as sin. No manners at all, no leash no recall. No nothing. The crutial stage was missed, now it will take his family who adopted him 2 or 3x as long as it would have a puppy. If this dog was put up any longer living in a cell (I dont know why the shelter didnt try to train this dog) who knows how his attitude would be. He thinks he can walk alover every one, and doesnt belive he should listen.
 
 

ORIGINAL: Cita

ORIGINAL: Cita

Where did I advocate a ban on Pit Bulls?

Where did you say you were opposed to one? From the posts of yours I've read you've been persistantly critical of pit bulls and have never answered the direct question: are you in favor of anti-pit bull breed bans? If you would like to explain your position on breed-specific legislation, particularly regarding pit bulls, and explain why you postt pit bull attack stories but not stories about other breeds I would be genuinely interested to hear your beliefs and the reasons behind them.

ORIGINAL: Cita

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: cyclefiend2000

i was avoiding your question. i found it unfounded....

your dog looks kind of aggressive to me. can you assure me it will not attack?

Still won't answer the question,  Oh well, that is what I expected....[]

You still won't answer my question either, Bob. Are you in favor of breed-specific legislation, particularly pit bull bans?

I don't understand why you keep beating around the bush and avoiding the question. If you are in favor of bans, why not simply argue for them (using concrete data, not anectodal evidence) instead of ambiguously hinting at your beliefs with inflammatory stories? Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but if you don't feel strongly enough to directly state what you believe then it's hard to take your ideas seriously.

ORIGINAL: ron2

Somehow, I knew I wouldn't get an answer.

Are you against BSL? Or for?

What breed is your dog? Has he ever bitten anyone?

Bobsk8 - [size="3"]Would you please stop being a meaniepants and answer our questions? [] If you would rather not answer the questions, then at the very least claim that you're taking the 5th or something.[/size]

Cita,


This is a disucssion of problems  with frequent PB attacks and what do do about it. This is not a 3rd degree of either me or anyone else on this forum.  If you don't like it, oh well, you will get over it .....   ( Maybe).... If the people asking the questions would take the time to read my posts, think a bit before posting some ridiculous or insulting replies, they would already know the answers. 

Oh, what a VICTIM you are, Bob.
Oh you are SOOOO victimized. Oh, boo hoo.
Want a tissue, you poor thing?

So, tell me Bob, are you REALLY that OBVIOUS of a hypocrit or are you maybe just not that bright?

You have NOOOO problem jumping on the anti-Vick bandwagon AND being deathly afraid of pit bulls and hating them in the SAME forum.

You don't travel much, do you?