Another Neighbor attacked

    • Gold Top Dog
    Bob, you still haven't told me what mix your dog is.

    FWIW, we have afood aggressive BEAGLE at the shelter right now who has bitten his kennel mate several times. Unfortunately, we don't have the room to separate them.  We have had a very, VERY dog aggressive yellow LAB and several ankle biters who would love to attack the Dane mix in the next kennel.The sweetest dog we have right now is a Pit (the ACO's opinion, BTW) who loves to gently wash kittens.  Sheignores all cats out there, but kittens...lick, lick, lick.

    The nastiest dog in our neighborhood is a purebred Border collie. We don't have loose dogs in our area.  I know there are a few out there because our ACO picks up a few each week form our entire town.  On the whole, people are pretty good about keeping their animals inside and under control.

    Also, we are a low-kill shelter (NOT a no kill). Last year we euthed an child aggressive dog. Was it a Pit?  Nope, a LAB MIX.

    Also, I watched th evideo you poated and caught the 130 reference.  If  you read the standard for a purebred PIT (not one of those low, wide "hippos") you would see that it says 30-60 lbs.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I still don't see where any ;pit bull lovers or owners have said that pit bulls do not ever attack and that it is okay for pits to attack, but that's just me.  Maybe I'm missing something. 
     
    Unfortunately stupid people are attracted to the breed for one reason or another and they don't do a thing with their dog and the dog gets out of control.  What a concept.  And since pits are such a common breed, attacks by pits happen more often.  The percentage biting or hurting someone isn't higher.  Plus the fact that the media loves reporting on pit attacks...
     
    Coming from someone who's owned a dog that at one time would have been on the front of the BSL agenda, I do take things to heart even though I currently have 'fluffy little foo foo dogs'.  (Or ankle biters....  [:@]  God I hate that term)
    • Gold Top Dog
    I will say it right here: NO DOG, unless it is a trained K9  should ever attack a human and then only to stop the perp or save the dog's partner.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: lorib

    I will say it right here: NO DOG, unless it is a trained K9  should ever attack a human and then only to stop the perp or save the dog's partner.

     
    sorry but you forgot one:
    it is acceptable for an untrained dog to attack someone in defense of his person (such as a mugging, break in etc)
    • Gold Top Dog
    Yep, you're right!  Sorry.
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    • Gold Top Dog
    Alright, it's clear that we are feeding a troll here. 
    Judge for yourselves the value of baseless opinion-spouting posts versus solution-based educating posts.  I'll spend my time educating myself here, and ignoring the rest.
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    And the adoption groups have tons.  I have seen them drop pit from the dog mix descriptions even to try to home them. 



    THAT is part of the problem. Any RESPONSIBLE adoption group/shelter/individual would NOT do that just to try to home a dog. THEY are making a situation that would have been avoided otherwise. Maybe those people that do take the dog into their homes weren't ready for the precaution's you take as a pibble owner. Maybe they WILL let their dog run loose because they think its a lab. Maybe if they KNEW that it was part pibble they would KNOW better than to do that.

    I am curious why so many choose this breed in the first place. With so many wonderful breeds to chose from why put yourself in the fire so to speak? Like if you get one..then why be upset when you know that others will react in a certain way towards you. Is it that you like the drama of it? The danger of it? Do you like peoples reactions? I don't get it. I only do sporting breeds for a reason. I don't want to be protected.
    I want a pet. I want a dog my family and friends aren't afraid to approach and know they can walk into the house to a greeting not a weapon. I would get a gun for protection. Not use a dog for it. Its my companion.



    I don't get upset when people react a certain way to me, and I have stayed out of this thread thus far, but this comment actually got to me. Instead of getting upset, I take the opportunity to tell the people a little something about my dog, and let him meet him, and pet him (he is completely bomb proof with people of all ages) and they almost always loosen up and give me a smile and compliment his demeanor. The ones who don't were too scared to pet him in the first place (he's so terrifying sitting politely wagging his tail and smiling)

    I don't like the drama of it, but I DO like the chance to own an ambassador of the breed. I like the chance to walk him and show people that the breed is not a man eating monster. I LIKE knowing that because I am responsible with my dog, he will always have a wonderful safe life with me. I don't like people's bad reactions, but I DO like the reaction I get when I can actually get them to MEET my dog and reform their opinion.

    I don't want to be protected by my dog. In fact, if someone came into my house trying to rob/rape/kill me, they would be greeted with a wagging tail. ( Although I suspect after the dog saw the distress I was in he might react, but I DON'T bank my safety on that)

    My dog is a PET. He is my companion. And all of my friends and family walk into my house without giving it a second thought. My three year old niece follows Thor around the house because she doesn't want to be away from him. They are almost the same height. She isn't scared at all.

    I chose this breed because of the devotion and energy the breed and I could put into each other. I do everything I can for my dog and my breed, and he does the same for me. This means extensive training, precaution in unusual situations, socialization, neutering, a secure place to exercise and play, walks, etc. And in return he is my companion, he is receptive to what I ask him to do, and he is my pride on a daily basis.

    I am so proud of my dog and the example he sets.

    As for the person that hates pitbulls because of being attacked by one, I respect your right to not like the breed. But I truly hope that when the chance arises for you to meet a wonderful example of the breed you are not held back in fear but instead you give them a second chance. The dogs can only be as good as their owners allow them to be. Hell, there are even pitbulls that get pulled from the fighting ring, emaciated and beaten, that lick your face and wag their tail the second you show them some attention.

    And no, I never try to paint my breed as being something they aren't. They ARE prone to be dog aggressive. They ARE likely to do a lot of damage if they DO attack. But in the right hands, these things won't happen. We need to work on getting these dogs back into the right hands and of the chains in your neighbor's backyard. In the fourties APBT's were referred to as the "nanny dog" and they represented our NATION on world war posters. I don't know who decided to corrupt the breed in the first place, but the only right thing to do is to stop allowing people to do that, and falsely labeling a dog at a shelter is to get some more space is a step in the wrong direction.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: Bobsk8
    ...with frequent PB attacks and what do do about it.

     
    Ok, this is the 2nd thread on the subject that I have tried to keep up on.  There is a lot of emotional stuff going back and forth so I think I missed Bobsk8 purpose somewhere in these these 2 threads. 
     
    If it is not an advocacy of pro vs against BSL of this breed, then it has to be about preparedness and what to do.  So what do you do in case of being attacked and what do you do to be prepared?
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: noblewoman

    If I want to hate PB it's my right. The one who is arrogant is you! 'How dare I hate PB after what happened to me and my dog, right? I'm so ignorant, or the whole thing is simply 'drivel' as someone else said. [8|]
    Unless you have personally been through something like that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. It's as simple as that. It's all hypothetical scenario's and it's not even close to the real thing.


     
    I was attacked by a chow once.  I don't remember how old I was but I was of drinking age because, when I was attacked, I was picking up an empty keg to return.  The chow paid for his poor decision with his life.  But I don't hate chows.  So, I guess I DO KNOW and still I consider most of your posts in this thread to be drivel.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Noblewoman-

    I must apologize for my nastiness and it's projection onto you.

    I did NOT mean to downplay the attack on you and your dog. I can only IMAGINE how horrifying it was and I did NOT mean my post towards you to be as nasty as it was.

    I shocked myself when I went back and read it. No, it was not your fault and it was HORRIBLE that you were attacked.

    I truly am sorry that I was so nasty in my previous post.


    These anti-pit bull threads are taking a toll on me here.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: chewbecca

    Oh, what a VICTIM you are, Bob.
    Oh you are SOOOO victimized. Oh, boo hoo.
    Want a tissue, you poor thing?

    So, tell me Bob, are you REALLY that OBVIOUS of a hypocrit or are you maybe just not that bright?

    You have NOOOO problem jumping on the anti-Vick bandwagon AND being deathly afraid of pit bulls and hating them in the SAME forum.

    You don't travel much, do you?


    Tell me something, are you an adult or a teenager?  Just wondering........
    • Gold Top Dog
    Tell me something, are you an adult or a teenager? Just wondering........


    why should she address a direct question when you wont?

    are you pro-bsl or anti-bsl?

    i had the cajones to state my opinion. why cant you sack up and do the same?
    • Silver
    Bob. Why should people answer your questions, if you wont theirs?
     
    Are you for BSL?
    and
    What breed(s) is your dog?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Whoa!  Guys!  Who passed out the nasty pills?
     
    This thread really is getting ugly.  Let's cut the crap please.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Jesus.
    Where are you people located??????
    I have NEVER, EVER in over a year of walking my dog, have I EVER seen an off leash pit bull.
    EVER!

    And just across the river from us, they fight pit bulls. They are very popular in my city (just not seen very often).

     
     
         Wow, I find that hard to fathom.
    I see them off leash quite often. Maybe only 2 or 3 pit bulls I'v eknown in my life were allowed to roam, however. The first was the afformentioned one in my post that chased the boy up the car, the second belonged to a known drug dealer who's been arrested umpteen times. Occasionally, his owner let him roam, and if you walked in the line of sight of that dog, you were in for trouble. I was walking my own Shepherd/Pit mix and one of my Beagles at the time, probably about 4 yrs ago. This SOB saw me passing by as he was talkign to someone by his front door. So what does he do? Why, he opens his door so his pit bull can charge us [sm=idea.gif]  Bright idea, huh? The only reason I can figure is that he'd had his eye on my dog when I passed and I believe wanted to see the two dogs fight. With two dogs present, the pit wasn't actually too interested in them - it came after ME.
         This same dog also chased my grandmother when she was walking across the street. Thank God she saw it coming and got behind a neighbor's fence.
         Then there were the two darlings that belonged to a very shady character about 2 blocks away. If you don't believe mental illness can exist in dogs, you;ve never met those two. Quite crazy. By the grace of God they never got out of their yard, but ALMOST did several times. There would have been a massacre if those dogs were loose.
         Then another pit close to where a family friend lives was a known biter/escape artist. I'd come close to this dog (behind the fence) while going into the friend's apartment. Again, another dog with madness in its eyes. This was not a dog anyone could train. It was unstable, poorly adjusted. I don't care if its the dog's FAULT or not, of course the dog can't help the way it is. The fact is that he was like that and was inherently a danger to society.
         Lets see. When I lived in an apartment years back we had a "good" pit bull who was very friendly with me, a few others, and especially one of the two owners. One of the owners was a large, strong man, yet this dog had broken out of his grasp while eh was holding the leash and charged out building's Super. Same dog bit a tenant while he passed the dog in the hall. One night, while the male owner was out, I get a knock on my door from the female owner - the dog had attacked her.
         Then there was the "gentle giant" pit bull that was in my neighborhood when I lived in the apartment. His owner was responsible, doting, caring. NEVER encouraged aggression. She was one of the "not MY pit bull" people. You know, she had her dog for 8 years, he was a pussy cat, etc. Yeah well, he put a few holes in a lady's arm one day just because she passed him on the street ...
         In Westchester County, NY, a few yers ago, we had the family of a woman who adopted a pit bull from I believe a Mount Vernon shelter bring up a lawsuit. Within two weeks of owning this monster it attacked and killed her :(
         I can go on and on and on. Pit bull attacks are not your average attacks because the dogs are so tenacious and powerful.
         Then, my mother's Shep/Pit mix. Like I said, GSDs can be aggressive, but I have been around plenty and they are not unpredictable. They let you know in no uncertain terms if they like or loathe you, lol. My mother's mix lunged at me, springing up towards my throat because I came upstairs while he was barking and told him to be quiet. He then turned around, looked at me - but he was not there. His eyes were wild. He jumped at my throat, pinning me against the door, ripped the sleeve of my shirt and gave me minor bites on my arm. My mother and my Beagles were there to help, and both my mother, who has been nothing but kind to that dog, was bit in the process. One of my 15" males got the bulk of the attack when he charged Thunder. This dog's sire also came to our aid and poor thing is only about 15 lbs - if I hadn't come behind Thunder and whacked him with the garbage pail, this little guy would have been mauled. We thought the attack was over, he'd calmed down, but I was so emotional I began screaming again at one point and was attacked again. Like I said, I still have nightmares. I will start thinking on it out of the blue and find myself screaming either out loud or in my mind. My mother thinks the sun, moon & stars revolve around this dog and has not gotten rid of him. There are times he's his normal self, other times he will react to stimuli that occured to him dozens of times, stimuli that roleld right off his back, with an all out attack.
         I don't trust the breed, I don't trust the owners who say "not MY pit bull!" There are good ones, but thousands of horrible ones for one good one. The damage a ;pit bull can do is unimaginable. The fact that there are so many stipulations on pit bull ownership makes them a breed nto suitable to live in today's society as a pet.