Another Neighbor attacked

We have rescued many pits and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly.

My sister has "rescued" many and not quite done what she needs to do to keep them from getting into trouble.  Her heart is in the right place, but pits have a certain nature you just can't take for granted.  She left a can of cat food on the kitchen counter one day and ran out for an errand.  The dogs (3 pits all altered and living together for some time) were left in the kitchen.  When she got home one of the pits was ripped to shreds, blood all over the kitchen, cat food can on the ground and licked clean.  She raced the dog to the vet and tried to save her but she died at the vets.  Very tragic.  She knew the dogs could be food aggessive, but forgot about the cat food can.

Then there is some of my husband's family who think pits are a status symbol.  One of them (32 years old, but acts less than 20!) proudly tells me how he BOUGHT a pit puppy for $3k.  Shows me the ad.  It's for "fighting" pits.  Nice.  Says the puppy cost so much because it is aggressive and a "blue nose".  The guy is never home, puppy is not being socialized or trained.  They think neutering is "cruel".  They all laughed at me when I neutered my chihuahua.  I told them they didn't need to worry about my chihuahua's sex life and that, sadly, they will still be able to breed even if my dog can't.   This guy recently took his intact dog to the dog park and ran off half the people there.

The whole thing just sickens me.  The dog will eventually pay the price.  Right now he is still a pretty sweet puppy, but what chance does he have with an owner like that????  I have nothing more to do with these people, but that isn't going to change them.  And that seems to be the sad fate of many of the world's pits.
 
The only ban I'd like to see in place is on people like my husband's cousin.

I am curious why so many choose this breed in the first place. With so many wonderful breeds to chose from why put yourself in the fire so to speak?

 
um, what? Why did you choose an irish setter? There are certain traits people like in certain breeds. Why does anyone choose any of the hundreds of dog breeds? Every pit bull i've ever been around, i'd say at least 50-60, have been wonderful companions, love bugs, and great family dogs. Why can't a pit bull be included as a "wonderful breed"
 
I chose a german shepherd...some people don't like them, i don't expect them to. But not everyone wants to own a "wonderful" breed like golden retrievers and irish setters. I sure don't. But i wont going around asking why anyone chose the breed they chose...everyone has their own reasons.

so you dont think they are all human aggressive monsters? just the ones that are not connect with your rescue? or others?

then why the constant talk of wanting them all banned?

slander is when you say something directly about a person. reread my previous statement carefully...

this seems to be in direct contrast to what you seem to be promoting

almost all your threads paint pit bulls in a derogatory manner. you have stated something to the effect of being afraid to go to the dog park because of the people who bring pit bulls. you constantly talk about how so many neighborhoods around you have enacted anti-pit bull convenants. etc.

so it seems to me that you are promoting pit bulls to be something less than desirable.

if you dont desire to have pit bulls in your area (for whatever reason), why work with a group that places them?

.... off to listen to my favorite jazz pianist. good day.

Yes, I think many people just fall in love with a certain dog and don't go out searching a breed.  I have loved many different types of dogs - it was the dog, not the breed.

ORIGINAL: kelliope

We have rescued many pits and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly.

My sister has "rescued" many and not quite done what she needs to do to keep them from getting into trouble.  Her heart is in the right place, but pits have a certain nature you just can't take for granted.  She left a can of cat food on the kitchen counter one day and ran out for an errand.  The dogs (3 pits all altered and living together for some time) were left in the kitchen.  When she got home one of the pits was ripped to shreds, blood all over the kitchen, cat food can on the ground and licked clean.  She raced the dog to the vet and tried to save her but she died at the vets.  Very tragic.  She knew the dogs could be food aggessive, but forgot about the cat food can.

Then there is some of my husband's family who think pits are a status symbol.  One of them (32 years old, but acts less than 20!) proudly tells me how he BOUGHT a pit puppy for $3k.  Shows me the ad.  It's for "fighting" pits.  Nice.  Says the puppy cost so much because it is aggressive and a "blue nose".  The guy is never home, puppy is not being socialized or trained.  They think neutering is "cruel".  They all laughed at me when I neutered my chihuahua.  I told them they didn't need to worry about my chihuahua's sex life and that, sadly, they will still be able to breed even if my dog can't.   This guy recently took his intact dog to the dog park and ran off half the people there.

The whole thing just sickens me.  The dog will eventually pay the price.  Right now he is still a pretty sweet puppy, but what chance does he have with an owner like that????  I have nothing more to do with these people, but that isn't going to change them.  And that seems to be the sad fate of many of the world's pits.

The only ban I'd like to see in place is on people like my husband's cousin.

That type of person is unfortunately fairly  typical of the Pit buyers in this area. Many of them are not S/N, ( especially the males)  many are not trained, and probably over 1/2 of them wind up in shelters by the time they are full grown. 

um, what? Why did you choose an irish setter? There are certain traits people like in certain breeds. Why does anyone choose any of the hundreds of dog breeds? Every pit bull i've ever been around, i'd say at least 50-60, have been wonderful companions, love bugs, and great family dogs. Why can't a pit bull be included as a "wonderful breed"

I chose a german shepherd...some people don't like them, i don't expect them to. But not everyone wants to own a "wonderful" breed like golden retrievers and irish setters. I sure don't. But i wont going around asking why anyone chose the breed they chose...everyone has their own reasons.

 
Definately well said and I agree 100% about pits being great companions, I have run into many that are/were.
But also I agree with Kelliope, there are alot of ignorant people out there that get these breeds that shouldn't, and unfortunately the sweet pup turns into a mean monster...

ORIGINAL: cyclefiend2000

so you dont think they are all human aggressive monsters? just the ones that are not connect with your rescue? or others?

then why the constant talk of wanting them all banned?

slander is when you say something directly about a person. reread my previous statement carefully...

this seems to be in direct contrast to what you seem to be promoting

almost all your threads paint pit bulls in a derogatory manner. you have stated something to the effect of being afraid to go to the dog park because of the people who bring pit bulls. you constantly talk about how so many neighborhoods around you have enacted anti-pit bull convenants. etc.

so it seems to me that you are promoting pit bulls to be something less than desirable.

if you dont desire to have pit bulls in your area (for whatever reason), why work with a group that places them?

.... off to listen to my favorite jazz pianist. good day.

You have a real issue with claiming that I said something, and them when I ask you for some proof that  I said what you claim I said, you go off on another tangent, without presenting any.    I am simply stating what I see in my community, regarding some  Pit Bulls and their effect on the people in the community and how the citizens respond to that effect. 

I will ask you one more time to show where I stated that I wanted all Pit Bulls banned.  If you can't do that , why don't you just admit that you made it up yourself?  

they don't want this information brought to light.

Do you REALLY believe that?

As far as I can tell, it's ALREADY glaringly, UNFAIRLY, in the light.  The media hears that a pitbull growled at someone and sensationalizes it.  A pitbull nips and you get 'KILLER PITBULL'

A pitbull attacks, and everyone freaks over the horrible crazy pitbull, oh, can you believe the reporter forgot to mention the owner beat his dog severely?  A mistake.  Surely.  They wouldn't leave something like that out on purpose to get people more excited.  NOT THE NEWS.  Never happen.

A cocker spaniel attacks, rips off some kids face, it's on the last page.  A pitbull bites, does not even 1/4 of the damage the cocker did, on the same day, and it's THE KILLER PITBULL over the media. 

It's not that people don't want it in the light.  It's that they want the TRUTH in the light.  You spread an already pervasive fear.  You aren't educating anyone.  You aren't bothering with both sides of the coin.  Maybe THAT'S the problem. 

Nah.  Couldn't be.

ORIGINAL: timsdat

I was at the Demostration against Vick at the Falcons practice field a coule of weeks ago. What did you do regarding the problem.? Probably nothing......

Like that made any difference.

Why aren't you out there posting Jonathan Babineaux or is it ok to club a pitbull to death?
 

What have you done about either of those 2 issues.  Let me take a guess...  Nada!!!!   []

ORIGINAL: talenak

they don't want this information brought to light.

Do you REALLY believe that?

As far as I can tell, it's ALREADY glaringly, UNFAIRLY, in the light.  The media hears that a pitbull growled at someone and sensationalizes it.  A pitbull nips and you get 'KILLER PITBULL'

A pitbull attacks, and everyone freaks over the horrible crazy pitbull, oh, can you believe the reporter forgot to mention the owner beat his dog severely?  A mistake.  Surely.  They wouldn't leave something like that out on purpose to get people more excited.  NOT THE NEWS.  Never happen.

A cocker spaniel attacks, rips off some kids face, it's on the last page.  A pitbull bites, does not even 1/4 of the cocker, on the same day, and it's all over the media. 

It's not that people don't want it in the light.  It's that they want the TRUTH in the light.  You spread an already pervasive fear.  You aren't educating anyone.  You aren't bothering with both sides of the coin.  Maybe THAT'S the problem. 

Nah.  Couldn't be.

OK, in my OP, what is the other side of the coin about the man being attacked?   In the post about the women that had to hide her baby in a garbage can to keep it from being killed, what is the other side of that coin?   Are these stories about a pitbull that "nipped someone" or "growled"?

OK, in my OP, what is the other side of the coin about the man being attacked?   In the post about the women that had to hide her baby in a garbage can to keep it from being killed, what is the other side of that coin?   Are these stories about a pitbull that "nipped someone" or "growled"?

The other side of the coin is the dog owners who never should have had these dogs, or any dogs in the first place.

Do you think it would have happened if the owners had been present and active and the dogs were well trained and cared for?

If it had been a lab would you have posted?

You also didn't answer my question.  Do you REALLY think the people posting here don't want the TRUTH in the light?  Do you really think the general public hears pittbull and falls over themselves because of all the wonderful publicity they get and you're just doing a service by feeding the fear of a breed instead of educating people on the problems behind a dog's care, or lacktherof, that cause this crap?

They have no solution to the problem, only blame placing on the owner of the dog(s).

What exactly is YOUR solution?  I'm sorry if I missed some brilliant plan, or failed to see how scaring people over things that happened as the result of the owners, (oh no, my no solution points at the CAUSE instead of the effect, I must be a damn fool thinking the CAUSE is important to SOLVING the problem) and complaining that people blame the owners, solves anything.

Somehow, I knew I wouldn't get an answer.
 
Are you against BSL? Or for?
 
What breed is your dog? Has he ever bitten anyone? My dog bit me once and I did not report it. It was my mistake of handling. I may just keep posting these questions until I get an answer or the thread dies. Warning: I can give "stubborn" lessons to mules.
 

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: noblewoman

Wow! This topic is like 10 pages long! Unbelievable. If you know how he feels why don't all of you who disagree with Bob just ignore the topic? He's entitled to feel any way he wants! You can disagree with him- that's your right. But to go on and on like this is ridiculous. You aren't going to change Bob's mind and he isn't going to change yours.

All of you owners of pit bulls, let me tell you- my dog (beagle mix about 35 pounds) and I were attacked one night (about 18 months ago) by a Pit Bull who was out alone roaming the street. We were doing nothing but simply out for a quick walk minding out own business.
I was terrified, and I do mean terrified. The PB was not provoked in any way and just suddenly attacked my dog. He was going to kill my poor dog and I couldn't stop him! I was screaming for help and literally trying to pry the PB's mouth off my dog in hopes he would let go. My dog was screaming in a way that I don't ever want to hear again, it was awful. I had one hand on my dog to keep him from being dragged away and the other hand in the pit bulls mouth trying to get him to let go. Someone finally heard me screaming and came out and tried to hit the PB with a shovel to make him let go. It didn't work. Finally the man grabbed him by the collar and pulled him off. The police were called and an ambulance. My son came and took our dog to the emergency vets and the ambulance took me to the hospital. My hand was pretty messed up as you can imagine and I needed stitches. Was it my fault that I was injured? Yes. Would I do it again to save my dog? Yes. I would've gladly lost my fingers or hand to save him. Was it my dogs fault that he was injured? Hell no! It was the owner of that stupid dog. But at the same time I have to tell you quite honestly that I don't like the breed anymore. And I feel I have every right to feel this way and am justified in feeling this way. Unless you have been involved personally in an attack, you don't know what it's like!! It is terrifying. Without a doubt the worst experience I've ever been through, with the exception of my mother passing away.
Luckily both of us survived the ordeal and recovered. My dog hates other dogs now- especially large ones. He's afraid of them. He will go out of his way to avoid other dogs. As for me, do I hate PB? Yes. I have personally experienced what they are capable of and I will not let anyone 'guilt' me into feeling differently. If a Rottie had attacked us I would probably hate Rotties. Or a poodle for that matter.

Do I think they should be outlawed? That's up to the residents of each city. Add it to the ballot on election day.

Do I think Pitbulls should all be euthanized? No, of course not. If someone can be responsible with them and keep them controlled, fine. I just don't want them near me or my dog.
Yes, the owners are ultimately responsible. But I do feel that PB can be very efficient at killing things and unless people can be responsible, then maybe there should be a special license to own them. Or perhaps they need to take a course first on dog care and safety before they can own one. And if you have a police record- you can't own them. I don't know. I'm just tossing things out here.

I now carry pepper spray, a cell phone and a pocket knife with us on our walks. It makes me feel safer, but I'll tell you, I get really pissed when I see a dog running loose.

The reason that they have to keep attacking anyone that posts incidents involving Pit Bulls,. is that they don't want this information brought to light.  They usually try to demonize the poster ( don't like the message, shoot the messenger), or try and blame it on the victim, the media, the phase of the moon, animal control, or some other repetitive argument that always get's brought up.  They have no solution to the problem, only blame placing on the owner of the dog(s).  My question which they never answer, is , what good  is placing the blame for an attack on the owner, after the victim is attacked, and  possibly maimed or killed by one of these out of control dogs?  This question always get's ignored. You will also notice a very common tone to the posts in these threads.  A very tiny percentage of the posts will mention anything at all about the victim of the attack and what they went though.  Almost all the posts will be trying to place blame on everything but the attacking dog. If you doubt what I am saying, read the posts.......

alrighty then my opinion of you is that you are
1. a liar
2. close minded
3. a lost cause.

i am no longer looking at any of your posts. or acknowleding anything you have to say from here on out.
i am also sending this thread to the bulldog breeds forum to see what they think about this since about 80% of its members work with and rehab abused pit bulls.

What have you done about either of those 2 issues. Let me take a guess... Nada!!!!

 
Of course I didn't do anything, didn't need to.  The government did a pretty good job with Vick and as for Babineaux I am a believer in the legal system and believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
 
I would still like to know why all the little peta minions aren't out there protesting.
 

ORIGINAL: timsdat

What have you done about either of those 2 issues. Let me take a guess... Nada!!!!

Of course I didn't do anything, didn't need to.  The government did a pretty good job with Vick and as for Babineaux I am a believer in the legal system and believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

I would still like to know why all the little peta minions aren't out there protesting.

I had a feeling that you didn't do anything......