Prong Collars - dicuss

Edie

I think positive training is for people who are interested in what a dog is, how they think and preserving and utilising their canine assets. They see dog ownership as a privilege and their role is to serve the dog through training and handling the dog in a canine relevant way. These are the dogs who actually do exceptionally well in agility/obedience competitions.

BlackLabbie

Not to mention OT. 

Why is it OT? Prongs cause pain/discomfort do they not? And i have to agree with the 'stereotype' of people who use these devices,at least the ones i have met in person and over the internet

BlackLabbie

This is just bad-mannered and delusive.

Whats bad mannered and delusive about it?

The thought of causing my dogs pain or discomfort causes me pain,and all in the name of what???. Do what I want NOW!!!!!!!!!

I imagine the only owners who would take exception with my post are the ones who use these archaic devices.. 

 Corgipower why would you use a prong on a tiny dog like a corgi????

And the stereotype of people who use prong collars the correct way is what.......?

Imagine if we were all as ignorant to agree and believe in every and any stereotype what our society would be like. I've never been one to raise my voice to neither people or dogs, so do not generalize people who use prong collars with screaming and yelling because you would be wrong.

Edie

 Corgipower why would you use a prong on a tiny dog like a corgi????

BlackLabbie

And the stereotype of people who use prong collars the correct way is what.......?

Impatient,quick fix wanters,controlling,old school training technique users.

One of my Bullmastiff's could have pulled me off my feet with the greatest of ease,and he did a couple of times.I went back and taught him to walk nicely off the lead before i again attempted to teach him to walk on it.This did take a fair bit of time,had i wanted a quick/easy fix i would have reached for the nearest prong or shock collar.I dont use the word walk to "heel" as i've never required my dogs to walk stuck to my leg. 

Blacklabbie i hope you endeavor to answer the rest of my  questions in my last post :) 

I agree prongs cause discomfort; thats how they work. But used properly they do not cause pain. And I think your post was OT because you were just spectulating what the handlers who used prong collars were like.

And I think your most recent post:

Edie

Inpatient,quick fix wanters,controlling,old school training technique users.

BlackLabbie

And I think your most recent post:

Edie

Inpatient,quick fix wanters,controlling,old school training technique users.

 is an inappropriate attack to prong users.

I was afraid my comments would be construed as such.But you did ask,i just hope it wasnt a purposely Baited question..... 

corgipower

Corgis are not tiny. They are a medium sized breed.

Hah! I have spent quite a bit of time with Corgis, and groups of corgis at that. While short, they are anything but "small", they are heavy, thick little creatures. Especially when two or three wish to share a lap at the same time. And they certainly have a lot of personality, that's for sure, although I loved working with them.

I was constantly warned about one working-lined Cardi that I should carry something solid around with me or I'd get bitten ankles, as the owner, and several other people had been herded and nipped. Ironically I have never been herded by the dog, or nipped, and I had never had to carry around anything, all I needed to use was clear body language. There's nothing like knowing a little bit about dogs to be able to keep things under wraps *G*. The days with working with Cardis was interesting, that's for certain.

Edited: Oops! I meant to quote the original post about corgis being "tiny", but I inadvertantly quoted Corgipower's. My apologies on that error!

Hey, I just wanted to know what your "stereotype" of prong collars users was....seeing as I am one of them I really wanted to know what you thought of me (and others on here that use them).

BTW, I don't even know what a baited question is. I just wanted you to clarify your "stereotype" that you believe in.

I agree with glenmar....below post.

Oh goodness.

While I will agree that a prong causes discomfort, I completely disagree that the only people who use them are those in need of a quick fix.

I worked long and hard with Thor, using everything suggested, all of it positive.  Nothing worked, and I was being dragged off my feet and down the street.  HE was gagging and choking as he continued to pull.  I did NOT just put a prong on him.  I used it as a tool, as it is meant to be used, so that I could get him properly trained.  It had literally reached the point that if something didn't work, Thor was flat out not going to be walked, ever, period, end of discussion.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, even if it is one that some of us might consider pretty narrow minded.  But, you don't need to be cruel in the way that you share it.

Not many of us would be here if we didn't love our dogs.

Black Labbie, while I dont' agree with what you've been taught about the proper placement of the prong, or the use of corrections with a prong, I do fully understand the need to use one.  My short term use of a prong with Thor turned walks from dreaded battles of will and unequal battles of strenght that I couldn't hope to win,  to really enjoyable outings.

I'm fortunate enough to live in the country where I can take my dogs romping through the woods off lead.  But, had I never had issues with Thor's leash manners, I wouldn't have learned how to work through those issues, or how to avoid them in future dogs.  His issues and those struggles helped me to grow as an ower and become better at how I taught my dogs.

When we go outside through the front door, my dogs KNOW that they are going to get to go for a romp in the woods.  But, while they'll run crazily in the yard, and have a ball playing king of the mountain on the snow banks, they NEVER even offer to head for the woods until I do.  Prior to Thor's issues, I'm not sure I would have even THOUGHT about taking six dogs out in the woods off lead for a romp.  Alone.  So some very good things have come from having to resort to a prong.

I wish we could have a conversatation on this forum about tools that are not necessarily popular without it disolving into the kind of unkindest that this one has.

Mudpuppy, you've said you wouldn't use a prong.  Will you share what you would do with a dog like Thor who everything else had totally failed with? 

I would be willing to use a prong under certain circumstances with certain dogs. I would NOT be willing to do leash-pops with one ever under any circumstances. I'm not sure what all you tried with Thor; I would have tried several weeks of off-leash choose-to-heel work, then exercised him to the point of exhaustion and put him on an easywalk + leash and taken a very short walk and seen how that went.

I did do a lot of work in the yard and he'd do great in the yard, but when we'd get out front on the street, he'd turn into a locomotive.  And yes, I also did the play fetch until my arm fell off and his tongue was rolling, but something about the leash turned him into a mule headed bully.  IF the easy walk was around then, it wasn't readily available and I did order one later for Shadow and it didn't fit right.  I think now they may have corrected the fit problem.

I don't remember everything I did, but  I did a lot of quick turns, I did a LOT of standing there playing tree.....didn't phase him, he'd just pull me right off my feet.  Literally.

For what its worth, I never did use leash pops or corrections with a prong.  I let him self correct but I never let him hurt himself by getting to the end of the lead and lunging. 

yeah, glenda, that sounds like a very appropriate use of a prong collar.