Boerboel

Respectfully,,, I think that point was reached long ago.  Of course I will stand by your decision.

ORIGINAL: Personal Champ

Okay folks - it seems like we have digressed a bit from the OT and have become a bit short-tempered and defensive.

Keep it on topic and keep it civil or this thread will be locked.

Sorry, didn't see your post, going back to edit now.

Luvmyswissy does have one excellent point.  In all these threads, when the subject turns to dog aggression, it has only been JM, MRV, and myself that have described specifically what we do/did to make our home environment more safe.  A response of "why do you allow aggression" without specifics leaves people in a lurch and on their own in a otentially dangerous situation.  You can advise to get professional help but as you know professional help needs screening and to screen you have to have knowledge of different techniques and methods used.  You have created a thread where you promised you would describe in detail the handling of an aggressive 140lbs mastiff.  You have yet to fullfill that promise.  I would not like to think you are learning how to handle an aggressive from me, because I am not a good source for that.

ORIGINAL: DPU.

Luvmyswissy does have one excellent point.  In all these threads, when the subject turns to dog aggression, it has only been JM, MRV, and myself that have described specifically what we do/did to make our home environment more safe.  A response of "why do you allow aggression" without specifics leaves people in a lurch and on their own in a otentially dangerous situation.

That statement is not completely true. and some of you people can't even make up your own minds on *what to little and what's to much information*. do some of you bother to read your own post?

You can advise to get professional help but as you know professional help needs screening and to screen you have to have knowledge of different techniques and methods used.  You have created a thread where you promised you would describe in detail the handling of an aggressive 140lbs mastiff.  You have yet to fullfill that promise.  I would not like to think you are learning how to handle an aggressive from me, because I am not a good source for that.

Yes I'm aware your not. And there's good reason why I haven't as of yet. You'll live.

Ahhh!  If I am not a good source, then why not help out instead of leaving me in harms way?  Me thinks I saw you take a couple of my ideas and used them as your own. 

Okay...now things are getting scary. [sm=eek.gif]

ORIGINAL: Angelique

Okay...now things are getting scary. [sm=eek.gif]

 
Forget scary, this is boring already, i thought that we needed to be on topic again [&o]

ORIGINAL: DPU.

Ahhh!  If I am not a good source, then why not help out instead of leaving me in harms way?  Me thinks I saw you take a couple of my ideas and used them as your own. 

I see you did not see the mods post, but I'll address you this way. Make a new thread, point out 1 just 1 thing I even noticed you said.

Back it up, or get on subject like the mods said.[sm=no%20no%20smiley.gif]

I was interested to know what happened in this episode, so I popped by the thread (lurking) a couple of times..... and man is it bitchy!  I don't feel like I have learned very much about that episode at all.  Seeing as I don't have anything of value to add I wasn't originally going to post but I'm getting a bit curious and a bit impatient so hell.....Could someone run it by me or post a videolink so I can see a clip or something, so I can at least learn something?  Thanks.

ETA:  With the fact that the person was "scared" of the dog I can kind of work out that it was an aggression issue and specualting that it was likely to be HA....?  I can also work out that it was an inappropriate gift and the breed unsuited to the owner and that CM helped but the previous trainer hadn't been able to......what I'd like to know is.....

What was the problem?
How did it manifest?
What had the previous trainer being trying specifically that didn't work?
What did CM do that was different to what she did?
Why do you think it worked?
What techniques were used?
What effect did they have on the dog?
How long did rehab take?
What might you have done differently if you had been dealing with the case? 

Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread, but it looks like it needs it!  This thread had great potential to be really interesting and exchange ideas and opinions on the finer points of what sounded like an interesting show.... can we still turn it around??

Well, I just watched it last night and I'll give you my verryyyyy unprofessional opinion.  The dog had been isolated for a long time and really had only had contact with the trainer.  They felt the dog was aggressive (jumping on fence/door, barking, etc.) but I think it was really the size of the dog that created the most concern.  Had that been a dachsund, it would've never been out in that cage.  I think Ceasar used his calm approach to enter the cage and understandably, the dog remained calm.  He then took the dog to his sanctuary and slowly, started having his best behaved dogs meet with Boerboel.  Seemed to me that Boerboel was very submissive, so all went well.  He then took Boerboel to the trainers home (the trainer wanted to keep Boerboel but was afraid that her other dogs wouldn't get along).  Ceasar helped with the dogs meeting each other and with minimal effort kept things calm and then they all went for a walk....end of story.
 
Again, this was just my interpretation of the episode, and other than it being really sad that the poor dog had been isolated for 3 years, it was an uneventful show.  I actually thought the session with the next dog was more interesting (dog freaked out when skateboards went by).  Personally, I did not see that the dog was much better after the session though [8|]

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

ETA:  With the fact that the person was "scared" of the dog I can kind of work out that it was an aggression issue and specualting that it was likely to be HA....?  I can also work out that it was an inappropriate gift and the breed unsuited to the owner and that CM helped but the previous trainer hadn't been able to......what I'd like to know is.....

What was the problem?
The dog was aggressive to the owner
How did it manifest?
The owner once baby talked him and probably for frustration of not being taken out he jump at her at the other side of the cage and the owner was scared of him since then
What had the previous trainer being trying specifically that didn't work?
Regular +R training but we think she was not as good as she should be anyways (her own dogs were not the best behaved ones)
What did CM do that was different to what she did?
A calm approach and socialization with CM's pack
Why do you think it worked?
Help the dog to build self esteem
What techniques were used?
Have him being surrounded by a balanced pack help to socialize him, along with excersice
What effect did they have on the dog?
The dog was not aggressive to anybody anymore
How long did rehab take?
I think 2 or 3 weeks on CM's center
What might you have done differently if you had been dealing with the case?
Nothing 

What was the problem?
The dog was aggressive to the owner
[color="#cc0000"]In what situations.... on walks, being fed, when told to get off the couch, when told to do anything...... what kind of aggression was it?  There are several types.  Bit of an open ended answer there!
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How did it manifest?
The owner once baby talked him and probably for frustration of not being taken out he jump at her at the other side of the cage and the owner was scared of him since then
[color="#cc0000"]No no, that's how it started. I meant, how did the behaviour come out, growling? lunging? snapping? biting?
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What had the previous trainer being trying specifically that didn't work?
Regular +R training but we think she was not as good as she should be anyways (her own dogs were not the best behaved ones) 
[color="#cc0000"]So she had been training obt with lure-reward or a clicker or something....? Or had she been practising something like NILIF as well (which is also R+)?  What was it about the techniques that failed.... From whats been said I suspect it was incompetence on her part - a failure to be consistent and therefore sending confusing signals to the dog....

[/color]What did CM do that was different to what she did?
A calm approach and socialization with CM's pack.
[color="#cc0000"]Right-o... so she wasn't calm... and her pack was not "balanced" - makes sense.

[/color]Why do you think it worked?
Help the dog to build self esteem
[color="#cc0000"]Oooh there are lots of ways to build self esteem..... would they have worked just as well I wonder....

[/color]What techniques were used?
Have him being surrounded by a balanced pack help to socialize him, along with excersice
[color="#cc0000"]So the trainer hadn't tried any socialisation in trying to help the dog.... or she tried but didn't do it right?

[/color]What effect did they have on the dog?
The dog was not aggressive to anybody anymore
[color="#cc0000"]That was the end result - I meant at the time, how did the dog respond.  Happy, reserved, fearful, stressed, excited, anxious, relaxed.......?

[/color]How long did rehab take?
I think 2 or 3 weeks on CM's center

What might you have done differently if you had been dealing with the case?
Nothing 
Ahhh no surprises there then! [][]  Are you sure you're not just CM himself here to shamelessly plug his own show???!![][][]  That would be in very bad taste!  [][]

Are you sure you're not just CM himself here to shamelessly plug his own show???!! That would be in very bad taste

 
This may come as a shock to you but this section of the forum is for those who support CM, so it wouldn't be totally impossible to find a statement supporting him. So, are you implying that CM helped by shear, dumb luck, or that maybe he didn't help at all?

Lighten up ron and go easy on the sarcasm.  There was no implication that CM didnt help.  You've obviously completely misunderstood my post. 
For the benefit of all who may have misconstrued my post:   It was a *joke* and not intended to offend.
And espence I'm sorry if I offended you.
Back to topic.....?  What am I saying it's not even worth it .  I'm not even bothering coming back to this one. 

ORIGINAL: ron2

Are you sure you're not just CM himself here to shamelessly plug his own show???!! That would be in very bad taste

This may come as a shock to you but this section of the forum is for those who support CM, so it wouldn't be totally impossible to find a statement supporting him. So, are you implying that CM helped by shear, dumb luck, or that maybe he didn't help at all?

LOL[sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]