Only one.

ORIGINAL: denise m

I don't even watch CM but I have learned something very important from him as well. Now grant it my understanding of CM has basically comes from reading threads on idog. I don't really practice any particular training metod. I basically do my own thing. The only time I've ever laid eyes on the man was on espence's links. Sorry, just my looong way of saying I am totally neutral on the whole CM debate.

Anyways, I learned that a really good dog trainer (professional or not) trains with natural instinct. Gut feelings.

Forgive me if I go on, but I find myself quite reluctant to post much anymore. It seems to me that in order to have any precieved value here, one is expected to have read dozens of books, research papers, personally handled and cured every form of behavioural issue on every breed of dog. And by god, you had better beable to back any claim you make up with hard core science!

What ever happened to just using love, common sense and instinct. Although interesting, I think dog phycology is over rated. Therory vs Practice

 
Bless you and all who come here with an open mind and the best interests of your dog at heart!

Hey everybody - let's try to keep this on topic. If we want to debate specific points that's cool. But accusations and loaded sarcasm really aren't getting us anywhere. I prefer a good dialogue about trainers, methods and our opinions on those things. Not debates about message board protocol. That's as boring as a management meeting, and I have enough of those at work! []

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

Hey everybody - let's try to keep this on topic. If we want to debate specific points that's cool. But accusations and loaded sarcasm really aren't getting us anywhere. I prefer a good dialogue about trainers, methods and our opinions on those things. Not debates about message board protocol. That's as boring as a management meeting, and I have enough of those at work! []

You are a wise fellow Catahoula (I think?!) owner with a cross-understanding of horses.

I yeild to the on-topic discussions, unless the naughty folks try to mess with it again. []

 

You are a wise fellow Catahoula (I think?!)

OK - now I'm going to eat my words and go off-topic:

You have a Catahoula, too! Cool! We're 99% sure Lucy is a Catahoula-German Shorthair mix. We call her our Cajun-Kraut! (I say that as a person of proud German heritage!) She basicly looks like a blue merle German Shorthair and when she sees cattle that Catahoula really pops out.

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

You are a wise fellow Catahoula (I think?!)

OK - now I'm going to eat my words and go off-topic:

You have a Catahoula, too! Cool! We're 99% sure Lucy is a Catahoula-German Shorthair mix. We call her our Cajun-Kraut! (I say that as a person of proud German heritage!) She basicly looks like a blue merle German Shorthair and when she sees cattle that Catahoula really pops out.

 
This thread could use a little OT to break the tension! I'll take the heat! []
 
Your dog looks amazingly lot like mine in form. My gal is whiter with one half-glass eye. She came to me very messed up from our local shelter. She was 1 1/2 yrs old. I don't know what her specific lineage is, but she is mostly Catahoula. So hard to tell with these dogs because they all look so different! But her breed specifics are right on the mark.
 
She is a total mind reader and teacher to me. I can't be off balance at all with this dog, or she will let me know. She is an absolute gem as a helper when I'm working with aggressive dogs, yet I bring in a client's dog to help use the "power of the pack" on her fearful issues which mostly stem from a lack of socialization and ignorant human contact in her formative years.
 
You can't get those years back, but it's amazing what you can do, if you give a dog a second chance. []
 

That's great that you were able to rescue her, Angelique. Sounds like she's paying it back ten-fold! Lucy's got typical Catahoula conformation but her ears and nose are a bit longer than typical.

Catahoula's sure are addictive though. I know everyone say's their breed is special - but I truly adore Catahoulas and their people. I visit the Catahouligans message board and they are a great group. I'm torn between a Catahoula rescue and a Dalmation rescue when it's time for another puppers. I guess the right dog will be waiting when the time is right - Lucy was waiting for us before we even knew we needed her!

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Oh, yeah.  The other thing I learned from CM - he seems to be more polite than some. 

Certainly more polite than you and some very sad people with no lives are, and you know you are (the fakers, the ones who sooo like the block bottom). I think you like it because truth isn't your thing. So, *block on*. Your so sad you couldn't let one thread of what people found useful from watching Cesar go by without, you rushing right over with your snide, rude little snips. I really feel sorry for you. I think this is the thread that truly shows your true colors.

It personally makes me puke.

I don't even watch CM but I have learned something very important from him as well. Now grant it my understanding of CM has basically comes from reading threads on idog. I don't really practice any particular training metod. I basically do my own thing. The only time I've ever laid eyes on the man was on espence's links. Sorry, just my looong way of saying I am totally neutral on the whole CM debate.

Anyways, I learned that a really good dog trainer (professional or not) trains with natural instinct. Gut feelings.

Forgive me if I go on, but I find myself quite reluctant to post much anymore. It seems to me that in order to have any precieved value here, one is expected to have read dozens of books, research papers, personally handled and cured every form of behavioural issue on every breed of dog. And by god, you had better beable to back any claim you make up with hard core science!

What ever happened to just using love, common sense and instinct. Although interesting, I think dog phycology is over rated. Therory vs Practice

 
 
Exellent post, and dead on.
 
That's right, read your books folks, only there are too many to read and if you post a link to the wrong one, "Off with you Head".
 
Too many books, too many different opinions, so who is right, and who is wrong?

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Oh, yeah.  The other thing I learned from CM - he seems to be more polite than some. 

Certainly more polite than you and some very sad people with no lives are, and you know you are (the fakers, the ones who sooo like the block bottom). I think you like it because truth isn't your thing. So, *block on*. Your so sad you couldn't let one thread of what people found useful from watching Cesar go by without, you rushing right over with your snide, rude little snips. I really feel sorry for you. I think this is the thread that truly shows your true colors.

It personally makes me puke.

Actually, I believe the most distasteful posts here have come from you, and others who simply can't abide the fact that some of us do not share your idolatry of Mr. Millan.  To be honest, even though he certainly has some marketing geniuses behind him, I doubt that even he would suggest that anyone follow him exclusively and stop learning about dogs - remember, his show actually suggests seeking help from a trainer for your own dog.  So, why is it that trainers here at idog are taking all this bashing?  Most of you don't own dogs that belong in anyone's "red zone", and most of you have dogs that would do very well with hands off training, yet you think that Cesar's advice to find a local trainer who can work with your individual dog is not useful?  It's perhaps the "one thing" that all his viewers should have learned from him, and an idea which I hear from more balanced supporters of the show.  They say he has made the public more aware that they should train their dogs.  But, I wonder why that idea has not extended to taking the dog to class - which, incidentally, would save people from having to ask most of the repetitive questions we see on this board every day about simple matters like housetraining, puppy nipping, jumping up, etc.
Incindentally, I have never blocked anyone on this board, nor will I. I don't believe in censorship of ideas.  If you want to discuss ideas, fine.  If you want to attack me, simply continue to do so - perhaps with any luck you will accumulate the three strikes necessary for you to be permanently blocked from this board.  

I think maybe it is time to get back on track, this situation has gone on long enough.
We are all grown -ups, and I am sure we can muster up enough self control to just "IGNORE" the ones that get under one's skin.....let's try that and maybe peace can be had after all......
 
Keyword for today...."Ignore"

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs
Oh, yeah.  The other thing I learned from CM - he seems to be more polite than some. 

He taught me how happy I am that my dogs were well trained with "hands off' methods and don't exhibit the behavior problems highlighted on the show. 

This thread was where people could come and post something they learn from him that was positive. If your not smart enough to know that, that's your problem. My guess is, you knew it, but came here to take your rude little shot, because you and a few others couldn't stand to see nice things being said. Otherwise why bring your pettiness over here?

Bahahahahaha

Incindentally, I have never blocked anyone on this board, nor will I. I don't believe in censorship of ideas.  If you want to discuss ideas, fine.

Bahahahaha Is that what you call what you do? Bahahahaha Sorry I've seen you in action to many times, and you must think everyone here are  fools.

If you want to attack me, simply continue to do so - perhaps with any luck you will accumulate the three strikes necessary for you to be permanently blocked from this board.

Go ahead, act all innocent (something your far from here) because some of us see the real you. and as far as three strikes go hun, I'll let you know when I'll get my first. So far the mods and admins seem smarter than you think too. Perhaps it's even time to throw a strike your way along with some other childish members here. And allow me to clue you in on something dear, your not the queen bee here.[sm=no%20no%20smiley.gif]

Well no.  I didn't say or think that at all. I am really not understanding how you got that from my post?

My point was the interaction of the owner and CM in reference to words.  One being intimidate, the other being dominate.

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl


So you don't think it is possible to rule, govern or control without fear?

Well no.  I didn't say or think that at all. I am really not understanding how you got that from my post? My point was the interaction of the owner and CM in reference to words.  One being intimidate, the other being dominate.

I'm sorry. I thought you were trying to say that intimidate and dominate were the same. My mistake!

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl
I'm sorry. I thought you were trying to say that intimidate and dominate were the same. My mistake!

Don't be sorry yet.

The guy had a bit of an incredulous look.  He is a journalist.  If he knows anything, it is words

So I looked up dominate:  1.to rule over; govern; control.

Then I looked up intimidate: 1.to make timid; fill with fear.

So, what have I learned from CM?  To use a dictionary more often.

Other than you should pick up a dictionary more often, what is the point you really trying to make here?

So what, so Cesar used  a word he thought would get his point across. There's the  *BIG* picture of things, thens there's the picture you see. 

Are you trying to point out he used the wrong word, *something people sometimes do when English isn't their first language*. you do know that right? Or were you trying to say that he does try "to make dogs timid; and fill them with fear."?

So, what was your *real* point?

I know the thread was meant to be only ONE thing you've learned from CM, but I just thought, if I could watch the show more often there's something I could learn even with the sound switched off...... And that's the way he sometimes appears to move in concert with the dog.  If you look real close you can see how he's using his body and the lead to orchestrate where he wants the dog to be and how he wants it to behave.... I'm not talking corrections here, I'm talking about something far more fundamental and fluid....  He doesn't always talk through what he's doing in that respect, I think that's partly because it's going on all the time and partly because he seems to do it instinctually, without really thinking about it.  He makes it appear quite effortless but my guess is that's a hard earned skill, something you learn over time and with experience.....