Only one.

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

I know the thread was meant to be only ONE thing you've learned from CM, but I just thought, if I could watch the show more often there's something I could learn even with the sound switched off...... And that's the way he sometimes appears to move in concert with the dog.  If you look real close you can see how he's using his body and the lead to orchestrate where he wants the dog to be and how he wants it to behave.... I'm not talking corrections here, I'm talking about something far more fundamental and fluid....  He doesn't always talk through what he's doing in that respect, I think that's partly because it's going on all the time and partly because he seems to do it instinctually, without really thinking about it.  He makes it appear quite effortless but my guess is that's a hard earned skill, something you learn over time and with experience.....

LOOK! Look how nice that was, look how Chuffy (and yes I'm shocked lol) came here and gave imput that made their point, and wasn't ugly at all, AND! was IMO productive. Why's that so hard for some of you. So Chuffy, you may have me blocked, you may not like me, but i'll say thanks anyway.

What freaks me out is how he can copy a dogs behavior, it's almost like the dog doing it.
That's the reason I feel he can read the body language of a dog.

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

I know the thread was meant to be only ONE thing you've learned from CM, but I just thought, if I could watch the show more often there's something I could learn even with the sound switched off...... And that's the way he sometimes appears to move in concert with the dog.  If you look real close you can see how he's using his body and the lead to orchestrate where he wants the dog to be and how he wants it to behave.... I'm not talking corrections here, I'm talking about something far more fundamental and fluid....  He doesn't always talk through what he's doing in that respect, I think that's partly because it's going on all the time and partly because he seems to do it instinctually, without really thinking about it.  He makes it appear quite effortless but my guess is that's a hard earned skill, something you learn over time and with experience.....

 
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ORIGINAL: snownose

What freaks me out is how he can copy a dogs behavior, it's almost like the dog doing it.
That's the reason I feel he can read the body language of a dog.

I think it eventually is something you just do instinctively. I actually feel connected and in total communication with the dog. It wasn't always that way, but the more I used a communication principle rather than a conditioning principle, the more connected I started to feel...and now it just feels natural.

I've heard him say he connects with the mind of the dog. I can see the change when he works with a dog on the show. I can feel the change and the connection, when I work with a dog.

The correct use of eye contact, as I mentioned in my "one thing" post, was invaluable! I also keep my facial expressions serene, because that helps me keep my emotional state serene.

I know, it must sound kind of weird. []

What freaks me out is how he can copy a dogs behavior, it's almost like the dog doing it.
That's the reason I feel he can read the body language of a dog.

And how he copies people! Mimicking what they did wrong. I love it.[]

If you look real close you can see how he's using his body and the lead to orchestrate where he wants the dog to be and how he wants it to behave.... I'm not talking corrections here, I'm talking about something far more fundamental and fluid.... 

There was a great article in the New Yorker called "What the Dog Saw" that did a fascinating profile of Cesar as interpreted through his movement. I thought is was really interesting!
[linkhttp://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_05_22_a_dog.html]What the Dog Saw[/link]

The article was interesting.  Weird but in my last post I was going to put "dancing with the dog" but it sounded way too corny and I  thought people wouldn't get what I meant so I changed it to "moving in concert with".  I think it really is a big part of why animals and people respond to him.... and in a lot of cases they don't even know it.  I feel kind of validated that the body language expert picked up on and explained for me what I had seen but not really been able to put into words properly.

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

If you look real close you can see how he's using his body and the lead to orchestrate where he wants the dog to be and how he wants it to behave.... I'm not talking corrections here, I'm talking about something far more fundamental and fluid.... 

There was a great article in the New Yorker called "What the Dog Saw" that did a fascinating profile of Cesar as interpreted through his movement. I thought is was really interesting!
[linkhttp://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_05_22_a_dog.html]What the Dog Saw[/link]

 
Thanks for posting the link! I hadn't read that in awhile. A well written and detailed description from some very interesting points of view.
 
I enjoy watching the nuances of Cesar's interactions with both the dogs and owners on the show. I get a kick out of the owners, too. It's a rare treat for me to see someone work with dogs in a way that makes sense to me. At the cost of cable, it's a lot of observation time for very little money. []
 
 
 
 
 
 

A good article.
 
47 dogs, "Wow", and I am saying this in a calm and submissive tone.....[]

I remember a time, maybe 5 or 6  years ago that I came to dog.com for advice for a very reactive, fear agressive gs/collieX.  Many offered advice, none agreed on any one piece of training, except to get to a trainer ASAP.  Well, we did go to a behaviorist...who sent us to a trainer...who immediately enrolled us in a class..who ultimately saved all of our lives. When I came here then, I wanted authentic experiences, immediate responses, anything that could re-direct my misguided attempts to satisfy my fear driven girl.  I remember the advice then was passionate.  Not everyone agreed on a solution, but everyone believed in some resolution for me.  And hers.  Things have clearly changed in that regard over the years.  This prickly thing with CM and the not CM's is divisive and dividing. 

What have I learned from CM, as that is the OP's original Q?  I have learned that I am doing just fine, given the tough tasks/clients he has been asked to help.  I have also learned that dog people need to be much more patient with their worlds, like I asked my distrusting Gypsy to be, ...so she could live in mine.

And that's the way he sometimes appears to move in concert with the dog.

 
I've tried to mention that here before and have been blasted for it, mainly because I support him even if I don't use any of his exact methods. He moves like a dog. Watch his eyes. He looks like a dog. He speaks doggy. Pursuant to another thread, I think it's possible for a human to mimick dog behavior and that dogs can appreciate the "funny accent" of our human bodies speaking "dog."

ORIGINAL: pndhounds
I remember the advice then was passionate.  Not everyone agreed on a solution, but everyone believed in some resolution for me.  And hers.  Things have clearly changed in that regard over the years.  This prickly thing with CM and the not CM's is divisive and dividing. 

I have very similar feelings. In many ways the board has changed from dealing with individual situations to a broader discusion of training philosophy. I miss the wonderful creativity shown by members in tackling individual situations. There used to be a real sense of everyone putting their heads together to come up with 'practical' solutions for OP's, as opposed to lists of recommended reading and/or debate on how certain 'professionals' would handle it. I certainly appreciate the fact that a lot of members read and study dog behaviour and training methods, but there does seem to be a lack of individual thought in appling and adapting the research to specific cases. I still enjoy the discussions, but they are different for sure.

People saying allowing males to mark on other terrority will eventually lead to the dog dominating you.

 
I don't know about "domintating you", but I wouldn't allow an intact male to mark all over town/neighborhood or house for fear of creating territorial issues perhaps leading to aggression.  Not a good idea to allow for a responsible dog owner. 

I don't allow unneutered males to pee anywhere they like because I don't think its very fair on the non-dog owning community.  We have a wee post in our garden and I encourage them to use that.  If we're out I find a suitable spot (not shop fronts, cars or other peoples bushes) and give them the cue word.  But thats OT.  Sorry.  As you were.

We do have a choice (and one I made yesterday)....we can stay in this section and get drawn up in petty bickering over a celebrity (complete with accusations and insults) or we can hit other parts of the board and say hey...I am not a trainer, but this is what I learned/used in regard to my dog, or dogs.

Or, hey, this book really helped me to better understand the concept of...blah blah blah.

I have come to the conclusion that if I am to further my knowledge, or to share knowledge, and help dogs, this part of the board is not the place to do it.

Peace out folks.