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  • Angelique
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    Angelique

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:17:31 PM

    ORIGINAL: snownose

    The one thing I will never understand is the folks who don't like CM, or disagree with his methods are so hell bound on constantly showing up and spewing nothing but negativity.

    I wonder if this is their daily excitement.......if it is.......oh boy.[&:]

     
    Sad human behavior which is not only formed from a flawed boundary system, a sense of self-rightous entitlement where rules do not apply, but also clearly a self-rewarding behavior to aleviate boredom. [;)]
  • espencer
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    espencer

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:17:37 PM

    I bet $5 and my left sock that doesnt end right now [:D]
  • snownose
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    snownose

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:22:07 PM

    I bet $5 and my left sock that doesnt end right now

     
    Keep your 5 and your left sock, nobody is crazy enough to take you on[8D]
  • jenhuedepohl
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    jenhuedepohl

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:27:21 PM

    my answer would have been his emphasis on calm. If CM had come on my TV a few years earlier I would have had a lot to thank him for, for that alone.


    Now that's my favorite thing about Cesar. Clothier and McConnell touched on it in the books I have read by them. But Cesars was the first I've seen that really emphasized it and communicated how important it is. I'd always known what a difference being calm and assertive made when working with horses but never carried it over to dogs for some reason. Who was the influence that emphasized calmness a few years before CM did? I've been trying to find more information on that aspect of dog training/behavior and always love finding a new source.
  • espencer
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    espencer

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:31:47 PM

    ORIGINAL: snownose

    Keep your 5 and your left sock, nobody is crazy enough to take you on[8D]

     
    Are you sure? my sock has a mickey mouse face [;)]
  • Chuffy
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    Chuffy

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:45:51 PM

    Espencer I see your sock.  How do you raise?  Can I bet TWO pairs of Homer Simpson socks (guaranteed no holes) that jenhuedephol's intelligent, positive, pretty much on topic answer will go completely ignored in favour of more off topic silliness? 
     
      Who was the influence that emphasized calmness a few years before CM did? I've been trying to find more information on that aspect of dog training/behavior and always love finding a new source.


     
    If I were you I'd start a new thread in a more general area for that topic.  For me it was Jan Fennell back in the nineties.  Again a lot of stuff I didn't agree with in her method, but a lot that was valuable.....  I kicked myself for not seeing the "calm" thing before it was pointed out to me.  It should be so obvious.
  • Angelique
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    Angelique

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:56:27 PM

    ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

    my answer would have been his emphasis on calm. If CM had come on my TV a few years earlier I would have had a lot to thank him for, for that alone.


    Now that's my favorite thing about Cesar. Clothier and McConnell touched on it in the books I have read by them. But Cesars was the first I've seen that really emphasized it and communicated how important it is. I'd always known what a difference being calm and assertive made when working with horses but never carried it over to dogs for some reason. Who was the influence that emphasized calmness a few years before CM did? I've been trying to find more information on that aspect of dog training/behavior and always love finding a new source.


    It came from working with horses for me, too. [;)]

    If you read much on Suzanne's site, she's been working with horses for 34 years or so.

    A trainer friend of mine refers to it as the "horse/dog" gene some people have from working with the two species.

    "Calm and assertive" for me came from horses, long before I applied it to dogs and then watched Cesar's show. [:D]
     
    CM did spend a lot of his formative years on his grandfather's ranch, so he no doubt picked up some "horse sense" from him. I know he credits his grandfather's interactions with the farm dog pack, with a lot of his early concepts.
     
    I'd be curious to know more about this.
  • espencer
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    espencer

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:56:39 PM

    ORIGINAL: Chuffy

    Can I bet TWO pairs of Homer Simpson socks (guaranteed no holes) that jenhuedephol's intelligent, positive, pretty much on topic answer will go completely ignored in favour of more off topic silliness? 


     
     fine, fine, lets stay on topic [:D]
  • J M
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    J M

    Posted : 2/3/2007 2:59:53 PM

    Spence...dammit!

     I swear to god, I was going to add a disclaimer just for you,  because I have actually seen you in different parts of the forum offering helpful suggestions and providing links for people to read.



    ORIGINAL: espencer

    ORIGINAL: JM

    No, they would much prefer to defend him against those who do not use nor promote his methods, than those who mis-use and promote their mis-use of his methods as being his.



    Totally wrong right there, not too long ago a poster said the he sits on his dog's side because "he saw it on the dog whisperer" (i looked for the thread but i counld not find it), i can tell that i bashed him as much as if he was hitting his dog, he was totally wrong and i ask him not to mis represent those techniques to avoid having more people thinking that was true
  • espencer
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    espencer

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:05:25 PM

    ORIGINAL: JM

    Spence...dammit!

    I swear to god, I was going to add a disclaimer just for you,  because I have actually seen you in different parts of the forum offering helpful suggestions and providing links for people to read.


     
    Too late [:D], but i appreciate the willingness, now, stay on topic or Chuffy would bet her underwear next [;)]
  • Chuffy
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    Chuffy

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:07:41 PM

    Dont be daft.  Espence you obviously have No Idea how much good quality female underwear costs!!!!
  • Angelique
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    Angelique

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:09:22 PM

    ORIGINAL: espencer 

     fine, fine, lets stay on topic [:D]

     
    ROFLMAO!
     
    And, ditto to the sniper! [;)]
  • J M
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    J M

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:09:37 PM

    Which posts on this thread have been negative?

    Which posts on this thread have disagreed with  CM's methods??

    ORIGINAL: snownose

    The one thing I will never understand is the folks who don't like CM, or disagree with his methods are so hell bound on constantly showing up and spewing nothing but negativity.

    I wonder if this is their daily excitement.......if it is.......oh boy.[&:]
  • Chuffy
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    Chuffy

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:20:25 PM

    That's us silly!  [8|]  Duh.  We hate CM.  I personally have a white sheet in my airing cupboard, I was thinking of fashioning a nice outfit from it and acquiring a large stick to go round bashing CMs methods with.  [:D][:D][:D][:D] 
     
    Seriously, that's Off topic and its not even amusing so you have no excuse.  Tssst.  Not that anyone can remember what the topic is what with all  the talk of socks and Espencer hoping I'll take my underwear off but there you go.....
  • Angelique
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    Angelique

    Posted : 2/3/2007 3:28:47 PM

    More baiting and sidetracking from those who have no control over their own behavior.
     
    Notice how the sniper's tactics never change?

    ORIGINAL: espencer 

     fine, fine, lets stay on topic [:D]

     
    Let's see how long they can keep it up...no bets though, it's too easy. [;)]