Only one.

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

*sigh* I should be used to it by now. Why do I let it get to me? I suppose I should ignore it so I do not inadvertantly reinforce the behavior. But then I'd hate to see the extinction burst on that one!

 
Ha-ha! []
 
See how hard it is to remain neutral and try to have a productive conversation? You've done very well in your endless attempts to do just that, though!
 
I'm less tolerant than you because I'm just plain sick of it. [:'(]
 
The rules and boundaries of this area of the board will never be observed by the flawed internal boundary systems of the morally self-rightous, because in their minds, the rules simply do not apply to them. Period.

ORIGINAL: snownose

Here is a prediction, the haters won't be able to help themselves, they will have to show back up......[]

 
Really? Ya think so? []
 
Not much in the contents of their posts which gives insight to dog behavior...but reading them sure gives you insight into abnormally bad levels of human behavior.
 
But, you're right. The best indicator of future behavior, is past behavior...there will no doubt be another attack from a new angle or in another thread.
 
How fascinating! Let's wait and see...
 

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl
I better go let my dog know that that calm-assertive energy I've been using doesn't work and has been destroying her psyche. She will be devastated. She truly thinks she's happy.

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I can't tell what it is one thing I've learned.
I agree with Chuffy, I learned a lot from watching how not to do it. I've also learned to separate my wants from my dog's wants...

C'mon you guys.  I merely pointed out something that I have seen on this board. 

More than once.  Usually the initials CM gives a clue as to where they received their "info".

Why argue with me?  Go argue with the folks who are doing it.

Hell, I am just letting you know that it is going on.

I think it was a pretty extreme reaction from what posts I can read.

ORIGINAL: jenhuedepohl

Aw, and things were going so nicely, too.

I know. All it took was one outraugeously passive-aggressive comment to blow the whole thing apart. And I am ashamed of myself for falling for the bait. [&o] My weakness is passive aggressive-people, I should know better.

Score! []
 
My bet didn't pay off very well though, due to the odds. []
 
Jenhuedepohl,
 
Looks like you have just been labeled an extremist.
 
Wow does it "feel"?

Ah, you beat me to it, I was going to ring the bell for a sighting.....[8D]

Right.  And I agree.  This has nothing to do with people on this thread.

But you know that what I am saying is true.  I have seen you in those same threads  trying to straighten things out.

Because, no...CM does not advocate rolling puppies, nor have I heard him mention that marking outside of terrority leads to domination. And a bunch of other crap that goes on out there in other parts of this board.

But, I never see any CM people defending him in this case.

No, they would much prefer to defend him against those who do not use nor promote his methods, than those who mis-use and promote their mis-use of his methods as being his.

Now the truth may hurt, and it definitely pisses a lot of people off...but hey!  There it is.

ORIGINAL: Chuffy


IRT JM.... weeeell, see, most of the people who have posted on this thread appear to have more than an ounce or two of old fashioned common sense (can't speak for all as I'm really making good use of that block function now), they can see what they can safely cherry-pick from CMs methods.  As for some others who go for the most risky and contraversial techniques in spite of the disclaimer.... weeell.....

ORIGINAL: snownose

Ah, you beat me to it, I was going to ring the bell for a sighting.....[8D]

 
I'll let you ring the next one in. []
 
Interesting bit of backpeddling from the primary CM sniper, though. []
 
We have a winner! Now, let's see how fast the "place" and "show" spots get filled...

ORIGINAL: JM

No, they would much prefer to defend him against those who do not use nor promote his methods, than those who mis-use and promote their mis-use of his methods as being his.

 
Totally wrong right there, not too long ago a poster said the he sits on his dog's side because "he saw it on the dog whisperer" (i looked for the thread but i counld not find it), i can tell that i bashed him as much as if he was hitting his dog, he was totally wrong and i ask him not to mis represent those techniques to avoid having more people thinking that was true

No, they would much prefer to defend him against those who do not use nor promote his methods, than those who mis-use and promote their mis-use of his methods as being his.

I HAVE spoken up when I believe his methods are misintrepeted by supporters AND critics. In most cases though, when an alpha-roll or other technique is recommended by a member who likes CM the member rarely says "I think you should do this because CM would." They say "this is what I would do." We infer the CM connection from previous knowledge of the member. In that case I don't say "CM has the wrong idea." I would say that that particular person has the wrong idea. And in most cases when an alpha roll is even mentioned, a dozen other board members have beaten me to the punch when it comes to discouraging that technique.

I only defend CM when people say something *about cm* that I don't agree with. Like when they try to say that there is absolutely nothing that he does that is helpful. If someone recommends a technique I don't think is appropriate I'd say something but in the majority of cases, I'd be echoing the 20 others that already brought up NILIF or clicker training so what's the point?

I've got to put this shovel away. My hole is deep enough as it is!

ORIGINAL: espencer

ORIGINAL: JM

No, they would much prefer to defend him against those who do not use nor promote his methods, than those who mis-use and promote their mis-use of his methods as being his.

Totally wrong right there, not too long ago a poster said the he sits on his dog's side because "he saw it on the dog whisperer" (i looked for the thread but i counld not find it), i can tell that i bashed him as much as if he was hitting his dog, he was totally wrong and i ask him not to mis represent those techniques to avoid having more people thinking that was true

 
This poster has no wish to comment on the original topic and has chosen to bait with inflamatory statements and accusations in order to throw this thread off-topic, as her past behavior has proven over and over and over...
 
Must get her bullets by the gross.
 
Go back and read through all of her posts in this entire forum, and you will see the manipulative pattern she uses. The alpha-roll thread, is great place to start.
 
This is nothing but a sniper tactic which has once again thrown a thread off topic.
 
Now, who causes the problems in the CM forum?

All I can say is I have seen exactly what JM means on other areas.  That's not an attack of CM himself, it's just another insight into how some people interpret the show.  As I said in my last post, you don't have to like or agree with what someone says to appreciate the different perspective... there's probably a few here that could have done with looking at that post in that light []  Oh well, block block blockity block...... 
 
Also, I quite liked the cartoon I included and I'm gutted no one else appreciated it.  Obviously got overlooked in the melee......
 
Steering it back on topic a little and trying to forget all the nasty snide comments that threatened to derail it completely:  I think, if the thread was about What is the most valuable thing you think people can take from his show instead of "what's the most valuable thing you've learned" my answer would have been his emphasis on calm.  If CM had come on my TV a few years earlier I would have had a lot to thank him for, for that alone.

My hole is deep enough as it is!

 
GOSH!!  [sm=blush.gif][sm=blush.gif]

Ding-ding-ding! And place it is! []
 
Snownose, you gotta be fast on your toes! []
 

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

All I can say is I have seen exactly what JM means on other areas.  That's not an attack of CM himself, it's just another insight into how some people interpret the show.
 

 
Of course this poster does, and as Jen and espencer have indicated, this has already been discussed and is completely off-topic. 

ORIGINAL: Chuffy

I think, if the thread was about What is the most valuable thing you think people can take from his show instead of "what's the most valuable thing you've learned"...

 
But that isn't the topic here. This poster has already given an answer which is the one thing you learned, is "what not to do".
 
Not very positive or constructive, but at least it was an answer...sort of. [8D]
 
 

The one thing I will never understand is the folks who don't like CM, or disagree with his methods are so hell bound on constantly showing up and spewing nothing but negativity.
 
I wonder if this is their daily excitement.......if it is.......oh boy.[&:]