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Hi.  Glad to see you.

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ETA:  very good point.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

I learned to live in the moment and stop feeling sorry for what happened in her past.  That she had moved on and I needed to too.  That she wasn't a victim anymore. []

He taught me how happy I am that my dogs were well trained with "hands off' methods and don't exhibit the behavior problems highlighted on the show. 

That made me laugh, because I gotta admit, I do like to watch just to see some of the nutjobs on his show just so I can think "well, at least I and/or my dogs don't do THAT!" []

At least he does a good job of explaining that your dogs won't end up like that as long as you make sure you provide exercise, discpline & affection in the right proportions. Then you won't need the "hands-on" methods.

I think it's a great tribute to Cesar that everyone in this thread (nearly) were influenced by his non-physical techniques. Most critics believe that people only learn leash-pops and alpha-rolls from Cesar and this thread shows that is not an accurate representation of how his viewers are interpreting his show.

Amen to this one.  Cesar only got "famous" because Oprah used him. 

Well from seeing the posts on the other forums of this board, I have to disagree.

We have folks rolling their pups for fear of future domination.

People worried about giving their pups affection for fear of the dog dominating them.

People saying allowing  males to mark on other terrority will eventually lead to the dog dominating you.

So, I can "see" via posts, how a lot of viewers are interpreting the show

Now I will even admit that I got caught up in the worry of too much affection  and using a happy excited voice when dealing with my dog.  So, I stopped.  He got sad, I got sad, then I realized that it wasn't for us.

Most critics believe that people only learn leash-pops and alpha-rolls from Cesar and this thread shows that is not an accurate representation of how his viewers are interpreting his show.

Aw, and things were going so nicely, too. [:'(]
 
 

Well from seeing the posts on the other forums of this board, I have to disagree. We have folks rolling their pups for fear of future domination. People worried about giving their pups affection for fear of the dog dominating them. People saying allowing  males to mark on other terrority will eventually lead to the dog dominating you. So, I can "see" via posts, how a lot of viewers are interpreting the show Now I will even admit that I got caught up in the worry of too much affection  and using a happy excited voice when dealing with my dog.  So, I stopped.  He got sad, I got sad, then I realized that it wasn't for us.

And you can see through this thread that not all people believe that. How do you know that all the poeple advocating CM techniques? Many NILIF advocates recommend limiting affection. People have been advocating alpharolls long before Cesar was born. I do not agree with all of Cesars techniques. Any more than I agree with all of Suzanne Clothiers techniques or Karn Pryors techniques. But I'm am frustrated with the fixation people have of Cesar and his fans as brutal monsters. I use Cesar's body blocking techniques and Lucy doesn't see me as a brutal monster while she is curled up under the covers in bed with me at night.

JM, please......what is the one thing.........continue on......

Aw, and things were going so nicely, too.

I know. All it took was one outraugeously passive-aggressive comment to blow the whole thing apart. And I am ashamed of myself for falling for the bait. [&o] My weakness is passive aggressive-people, I should know better.

Hi Willow!
 
Glad to see you back! []

The one thing I learned?  How not to do it!!  [][][]

Seriously, the core stuff, things like the exercise, boundaries, calm and assertive attitude, timing, body language, reinforcing calm behaviour.... that I agree with, it's basic, common sense nursery-type stuff.  I can't honestly say that I took that away from his show - they're not exactly new philosophies.  I saw him deal with one or two dogs who had serious problems and I just remember thinking, No way, I wouldn't do that.... And it opened my eyes to the fact that some people do still do those things and it seems to work.  It doesn't change the fact I don't like it and wouldn't do it, but it gives me a new perspective.

IRT JM.... weeeell, see, most of the people who have posted on this thread appear to have more than an ounce or two of old fashioned common sense (can't speak for all as I'm really making good use of that block function now), they can see what they can safely cherry-pick from CMs methods.  As for some others who go for the most risky and contraversial techniques in spite of the disclaimer.... weeell.....

ORIGINAL: snownose

JM, please......what is the one thing.........continue on......

You've got to be kidding! Stay on topic in a positive way? []

Even in discussing this one's posts, all you would be doing is basically asking a sniper to defend their bullets. Get real! [8D]

It looks like the attempt to discuss anything CM (in the CM area) in a positive and productive light, has once again drawn the handful of anti-CM's who simply can't control their own behavior.

Now, who causes the problems and disrupts the discussions here?

Oh, goody! Looks like we have a brand new one typing in red, too! Can't wait to hear all of the standard misrepresentations and blatherings from the newly Zuel possessed. [8|]

Just when I thought this was going to be nice here, we have 3 yahoos going off again.......

Angelique, don't worry I know where you are coming from.

I still like CM, I take some valuable stuff from his show and book, but I have trained dogs before.

ORIGINAL: snownose

Just when I thought this was going to be nice here, we have 3 yahoos going off again.......

Angelique, don't worry I know where you are coming from.

I still like CM, I take some valuable stuff from his show and book, but I have trained dogs before.

 
I know you do. []
 
OMG! You mean operant conditioning is also helpful in addition to CM's philosophies and creates a balanced approach to living and working with a dog?
 
What a shock! [8|]

I know. It's the same all over again. The non-physical stuff is common knowledge that any idiot would know so that is all worthless. The physical stuff doesn't work so that is worthless. That means CM is worthless. Whatever. Let's ignore all of the people who find any tiny portion of it helpful. They are dog-ignorant people who don't have a PhD and shouldn't be allowed to own a dog anyway. The fact that any dog has been helped in any way is totally negated by the methods used. I better go let my dog know that that calm-assertive energy I've been using doesn't work and has been destroying her psyche. She will be devastated. She truly thinks she's happy.

*sigh* I should be used to it by now. Why do I let it get to me? I suppose I should ignore it so I do not inadvertantly reinforce the behavior. But then I'd hate to see the extinction burst on that one!

Here is a prediction, the haters won't be able to help themselves, they will have to show back up......[]