If you like Cesar, who are your other role models?

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I agree with epencer, I don't know that Cesar will train a dog to sit or retrieve, that's not his mission.  He has clearly set his sites on rehabilitating troubled dogs – especially on his show.  Cesar Milan is an effective trainer - focused and even tempered. He has undoubtedly saved the lives of hundreds of dogs by helping people bring structure and training into their pets' lives.  He obviously has the nack of reading dogs and curbing there behavior with little to no touching, leash jerks etc.  His little TST, ususally will send a dog to down position and stay, no commands just a TST!! 

What we don't know is what happens after he has left the dog and the owners are on there own. And that, of course, is what really matters.  He comes to their house, works his magic and leaves.  I am sure he recommends continued work with the dogs and to continue to show leadership, and training outside his initial visit.  He doesn't care what type of method you use providing you continue to exercise, show limits and then affection.  However, that takes time and commitment that I wonder if many of those people on his show really have done.

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

What we don't know is what happens after he has left the dog and the owners are on there own. And that, of course, is what really matters.  He comes to their house, works his magic and leaves.  I am sure he recommends continued work with the dogs and to continue to show leadership, and training outside his initial visit.  He doesn't care what type of method you use providing you continue to exercise, show limits and then affection.  However, that takes time and commitment that I wonder if many of those people on his show really have done.

 
I've seen him do some follow-ups and he does leave a "plan" for the owners to follow. It looks like he is now doing a brief follow-up at the end of most of this season's episodes, too.

brief follow-up at the end of most of this season's episodes, too

 
Including a happy ending for the infamous Korean Jindo.

ORIGINAL: ron2

brief follow-up at the end of most of this season's episodes, too

Including a happy ending for the infamous Korean Jindo.

 
Or that psyco and aggressive Chihuahua from season 1 []

Donaldson may have an angry and slightly arrogant tone sometimes, but Culture Clash and Other End of the Leash (McConnell) are often cited as the two most influential books in terms of relationship based training.  I don't agree 100% with either of them, but find that they bring a lot to the table that was ignored by the traditional trainers.  I think that Koehler would be arrested for animal cruelty in some places today, and I don't have much respect for that type of training.  I remember, in the old days, being much more impressed with Barbara Woodhouse.  Brian Kilcommons often cites her as one of his role models.  I think the one single person whose work has influenced dog-friendly training in the last few decades is Ian Dunbar, although I find him hard to watch for some reason.  I am a fan of Sue Sternberg, too, not so much because I agree with everything she says, but because I think she's so gutsy in saying it.  And, she was one of the first people to make it obvious to students of behavior that a dog lying on its back, or ducking its head away from a pat is *not* always being fearful or submissive, and in fact may be taking quite a "dominant" position.  I am also a fan of some little known trainers who work with dogs every day, and are marvelous students of body language and impeccable with their timing.  Not every great trainer is famous.

my exposure to CM has literally only been the past few days....they have a marathon running now. I find him interesting and entertaining and (if his methods work longterm and are as "simple as they are on TV) a great service to the dog and its family...cause everything on TV is true and ccurate...right?

I take from alot of different sources, i did some clicker training type stuff when doing flyball with a foster and found it effective for THAT dog. I used PLAYTRAINING YOUR DOG (author?) for training Walter. I follow some of the teachings from the Monks of New Skete(NEW EDITION) and LOVE the book "other end of the Leash" for living-well-with-dogs lessons...i don't agree with the DOG-ma attached to any one method (HAHA...sorry couldnt resist)

I dont subscribe to one method. i think every dog is different and will respond differently to different philosophies. As much as i though arlo is stubborn and bold (for a young pup) he doesnt respond well to dominance-type training, but beagle did. Walter just wants to have fun...so his training is always a game..but doesnt go for treats.

when my friends get a new pup or dog i always buy them a "monks of new skete book" and a "the other end of the leash" book.

ORIGINAL: ron2

Including a happy ending for the infamous Korean Jindo.

 
There must have been a marathon on yesterday. I caught that episode with Jombee, and really was interested in the dog's facial expressions and how they changed when Cesar was working with him.
 
It's funny, this thread is about role models and who else has influenced the "Cesareenies", but the reason I enjoy Cesar in the first place is I just about fell on the floor the first time I saw his show because I was already communicating and interacting with dogs in a similar manner. So, I guess what he does is pretty easy for me to grasp in some respects.
 

"Cesareenies

 
I like that.[]
 
Once, when I was being argued by some people who didn't mind their loose dog attacking us, they called me a "dog freak." I said "Yes, I am."
 
What were they trying to do? Get on my good side?[]

ORIGINAL: ron2

"Cesareenies

I like that.[]

 
...it was a toss-up between that and the "Cesarians", and the "...eenies" won. []
 
 

Donaldson may have an angry and slightly arrogant tone sometimes, but Culture Clash and Other End of the Leash (McConnell) are often cited as the two most influential books in terms of relationship based training. I don't agree 100% with either of them, but find that they bring a lot to the table that was ignored by the traditional trainers.

 
Absolutley, I agree 100%.  And many old time traditional trainers forbid using food in training at all, actually they forbid any positive training.  They would only wait and focus on the bad behaviors and correcting that and never saw the benefit in encoraging and shaping good behaviors.  Go figure.

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

 
I have read most dog training books

 
My god you're widely read!  There's bleeding HUNDREDS of 'em!  I haven't read a fraction of the books I'd like to get my hands on yet.....

Me either, and I have a bookcase/dresser, a small bookcase, and a huge 6' long mahogany bookcase with extra depth that my dad left me (fits two rows of books) - and they are all overflowing!  But, it sure is fun trying to get through them all.  People who read Danielle Steele don't know what they're missing...[sm=rofl.gif]

People who read Danielle Steele don't know what they're missing...

 
Points again, to Anne.
 

People who read Danielle Steele don't know what they're missing.

uhm...what could I possibly be missing????? after all, Danielle Steele has it all, romance, intrigue, great writing........I'M KIDDING.

I agree - people who get so much out of that kind of wishy washy rubbish don't know what they are missing!  Maybe they're just easily satisfied.  I like something I can get my teeth into