Greatest nutritional diet per cost...........

cc431

Organic Kale, Organic Carrots, Organic Yams, Organic Broccoli, Organic Apples, Organic Ground Flax Seed, Organic Cranberries, Organic Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar, Organic Parsley, Organic Kelp, Organic Alfalfa, Organic Garlic, Organic Grapefruit Seed Extract.

I must concur, the above looks far from a carnivore diet.

I know my dogs wouldnt eat it,they really dislike fruit/veg,and if a food has more plant matter than meat they just arent interested.

Does it list the % of meat?  

The Pheasant Formula states it has 80% meat/bone to 20% produce, that's pretty good to *start* with anyways. My dogs have never had a raw diet before, and I'm sure starting with this is not going to harm anything, I have every intentions of adding in additional meat sources as time goes on.

So are you suggesting they eat NOTHING but meat/bones, organs??

Raw Advantage carries several formulas with meat/bones only, I will add these to the diet overtime.

I don't care for too many other raw diet formulations, Abady included....from what I gather, it contains *meat meal*, corn and wheat bran, all ingredients I would NEVER feed, and the cost is ridiculous.

Please tell me the percentages of meat/bone versus veggies that I should feed then, perhaps I will simply purchase the meat/bone/organ packages only and add my own veggie mix every few days.

stanton

So, let me guess, the Abady diet is the only one you recommend?  I didn't say that the Primal was the ONLY thing I was feeding.

I try to avoid discussing my dogs diet threads not pertaining to the product directly.  But being that you mentioned it, that would be a big YES.

Another thing I noted about Primal in the Guaranteed Analysis, 72% moisture.  You should easily see, that mind as well be 3/4s.  You're investing your cash in water my friend, come on...you're smarter than that.  Maybe they should call it the Primal Fountain of Youth?

CC.

stanton

So are you suggesting they eat NOTHING but meat/bones, organs??

No,the odd smattering of fruit and veg would give them the same health benefits as it does us.What i am saying is that if a food contains a tonn of veggies my dogs just wont eat it.

80% meat does sound fine,the fruit/veg portion of this food must be very,very minimal then.
 

cc431

stanton

So, let me guess, the Abady diet is the only one you recommend?  I didn't say that the Primal was the ONLY thing I was feeding.

I try to avoid discussing my dogs diet threads not pertaining to the product directly.  But being that you mentioned it, that would be a big YES.

Another thing I noted about Primal in the Guaranteed Analysis, 72% moisture.  You should easily see, that mind as well be 3/4s.  Your investing your cash in water my friend, come on...you're smarter than that.  Maybe they should call it the Primal Fountain of Youth?

CC.

 

Sorry, I have no intentions of feeding my dogs *meat meal*, corn or wheatbran....from the limited sources of where I can gather the ingredient list this is my understanding of some of the ingredients. If I'm wrong I apologize.

Since I only purchased a small bag of Primal to start with, no harm is done. I will continue this formula until we're done, after that, if all is doing good, I will look into either Raw Advantage meat/bone/organ packages only, or simply purchase meat from our local store.

Thanks for the insight...keep the info coming. No, I don't care to purchase just water, thanks for giving me the info.

Edie

stanton

So are you suggesting they eat NOTHING but meat/bones, organs??

 

 

No,the odd smattering of fruit and veg would give them the same health benefits as it does us.What i am saying is that if a food contains a tonn of veggies my dogs just wont eat it.

80% meat does sound fine,the fruit/veg portion of this food must be very,very minimal then.
 

 Thanks, I"m going to send them an e-mail to make sure this is what we're getting....otherwise, costs isn't justifiable.

Can you send me a pm of your typical diet, just so I can get a grasp of what others are feeding.

Thanks!

stanton

I don't care for too many other raw diet formulations, Abady included....from what I gather, it contains *meat meal*, corn and wheat bran, all ingredients I would NEVER feed, and the cost is ridiculous.

Corn and wheat bran...phewww, man are you confused.  Corn was pulled years back and wheat bran...now that sounds downright.... sacrilegious ...lol.  This is not the thread BTW.  I'm just discussing what I see problematic with Primal and the philosophy behind feeding dogs as one would feed themselves like you mentioned in the OP.  I see that as problematic as well and potentially costly in the long run.  Your are 100% correct in your thinking about costs and how saving a few bucks here and there can translate into higher Vet bills down the road.  An ounce of prevention ...

stanton

Can you send me a pm of your typical diet, just so I can get a grasp of what others are feeding.

Stanton,i feed a wide variety of different kibbles.The usual brands mentioned here.But i also heavily supplement their diets with homecooked,raw,canned and rmb's.My guys get something different every night.

This is something i wanted to bring up with you Charlie...Do you think your dogs self regulate because they are bored of their food? Feeding the same food every day for every meal is something i strongly disagree with.I really do believe dogs get bored,just the same as we would do if we ate nothing but the same food for each and every meal... 

I say that because I see ingredients (more than one) that I would think are not intended for carnivore feeding.  I challenged another user here to find me one commercial diet (raw or otherwise) with only 1 ingredient one could argue not intended for carnivores.  Good luck with that one, but it ain't happening, unless you went with what I am doing.

You mean like white rice?  And non-chelated minerals?  I still don't get your point on this.  Actually, the way you stated it here is rather confusing (too many negatives).  Identify a commercial diet with only one ingredient that one could say is not intended for carnivores.  Oh, I get it - you are reserving "one ingredient" because of the white rice in your favorite ration.  

Hmm, I just looked up that web site (never been there before).  I see safflower oil and flaxseed oil in the "Maintenance and stress" formula.  The toy formula has torula yeast in it.  Not to mention that necessary ingredient of all carnivorous diets, "natural flavor."  and non-chelated minerals (essentially ground rock and metals?).

Sorry Charlie, that dog don't hunt. 

Edie....sorry, I was under the impression that you fed a mostly raw diet.

My dogs too, generally get something different every day and every meal.

Yesterday morning they had an egg, banana, and some yogurt. For dinner they had their first try of Primal Pheasant.

This morning they had ground turkey, turkey hearts/gizzards, and a dab of honey. Tonight they had canned salmon and a dab of mixed steam veggies.

Tomorrow morning they'll get the beef hearts I lightly cooked, don't know what I'll give them tomorrow night yet.

I am very persistent in the fact though, that I no longer care to feed them grains, period or high amounts of carbs.

CC431 - I apologize, obviously it was an old ingredient list I found on the internet...I can't seem to find a detailed list of ingredients noted for Abady frozen foods on their website, only that I should contact them. Just be so much easier if it was available for the public to view openly instead of having to contact directly. I do understand there are by-products within the food from one of the articles I read....I appreciate your assistance in aiding me to head down the correct path on what's appropriate to feed and not feed, I will keep your advise in mind in locating a cost effective route for purchasing their meats in bulk from a butcher.

Again, I apologize for the inability to find the correct, updated ingredients.

brookcove

I say that because I see ingredients (more than one) that I would think are not intended for carnivore feeding.  I challenged another user here to find me one commercial diet (raw or otherwise) with only 1 ingredient one could argue not intended for carnivores.  Good luck with that one, but it ain't happening, unless you went with what I am doing.

You mean like white rice?  And non-chelated minerals?  I still don't get your point on this.  Actually, the way you stated it here is rather confusing (too many negatives).  Identify a commercial diet with only one ingredient that one could say is not intended for carnivores.  Oh, I get it - you are reserving "one ingredient" because of the white rice in your favorite ration.  

Hmm, I just looked up that web site (never been there before).  I see safflower oil and flaxseed oil in the "Maintenance and stress" formula.  The toy formula has torula yeast in it.  Not to mention that necessary ingredient of all carnivorous diets, "natural flavor."  and non-chelated minerals (essentially ground rock and metals?).

Sorry Charlie, that dog don't hunt. 

Nothing but the best in non-toxic oils, organic, natural and not the chemically engineered variety like you folks are getting.  Your hatred for my product is so comical Brookcove!  When your ready to try the absolute best, I'm sure you will be very impressed.  And your Ben IS NOT allergic to white rice....pure myth.  That boy will be running around like a young pup again....guaranteed.

Non-toxic oils yes, but it has been stated many times that most dogs do not digest/utilize flaxseed oil well.

Also, just curious, what's the *need* for white rice or lard within Abady Formula's?? Haven't used lard since forever, surely don't see the need for it in my dogs diets.

My point here is not to point fingers at Abady, just simply curious if you're recommending I *follow* the feed you're (CC431) recommending, why the need for these ingredients?

ottoluv

Charlie you are just wrong, you CAN be allergic to white rice. One can be allergic to most anything. Sorry, but that is just nonsense. I'd advise you to not for once only believe what Abady says and actually read an immunology textbook.

Yea, sure.  Is that immunology textbook for humans or dogs?  I think my dog is allergic to outside air.  I'll try some lentil beans, maybe that will help.

 I would not further this conversation as it is verging on the personal, but it is certainly on topic (quality of feed versus cost).  Thus, I need to know, Charlie, are you saying that I should switch Ben off his current diet of 99% raw animal sourced foods (with the rest being crockpotted or ground fresh fruits, veggies, and legumes)?  To one of your touted feeds, and therefore to reduce the amount of meat he gets?

Even if I haven't known for years his extreme sensitivity to rice, that would be a poor choice even by the principles you put forward yourself, all the time (dogs should eat meat, not non-meat). 

Ben hasn't slowed down at all - I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm looking for something to increase his energy level or endurance.  In fact, in many ways he's in better shape now than he ever was as a young dog.  I sure wouldn't want to return him to those days.

You didn't answer my question of how flaxseed oil, safflower oil, and natural flavoring are any more carnivore-based than blueberries and kale.  In fact, I am in favor of a smidge of the latter being in the diet (preferably fresh), while I've not seen evidence that many dogs utilize the AFAs in these oils very well, versus animal-based fats.  And I'm no respecter of persons on that subject - it's a quibble I have with many super premiums that use canola oil for a supplementary fat source.

I have no emotional reaction to your food at all Charlie.  If anything, I feel regret that a good idea has gone so sour, caught up in twisted truths, fanaticism, and politics.  I bet if the price were halved, and the claims for it simplified and focused on the good points of the food, not trashing other foods - I bet it would take off with no need for the rancor and overblown claims.  Heck, I'd probably try the granular for my two who have severe undershot jaws.  But I'll never know how good it might be, because this company seems to me to be more about someone trying to be the one guy right, with all others wrong - versus actually simply selling dog food.

I won't put my money in that horse race, Charlie, sorry.