Abady Ingredients Posted

If you want a better food for you Hunting Dog try Annamaet Ultra....IMHO  it is way superior to Abady and costs less.(even if you need it shipped.)

Sound the trumpets!  Send out the heralds!  Draw up the jousting lists and let the battle be joined!  It's the Clash of the Name-Dropping Titans, forsooth!

fish n dog

If you want a better food for you Hunting Dog try Annamaet Ultra....IMHO  it is way superior to Abady and costs less.(even if you need it shipped.)

You've got to be kidding right?  I just looked it up and it is something I would never even consider.  I noticed they don't even list the Cals per cup, maybe out of embarrassment.  By the looks of it I'll guess in the 350-370 range.  Far too weak of a formula IMO.  I would avoid it simply for the reason it is 3% fiber and contains Beet Pulp.  IMO that type of food should (3% fiber plus an expansion type fiber like Beet Pulp) should be avoided.  "And it cost less" has no bearing on the matter.  It is not about costs for me but rather what I feel is best for my dog.  I will gladly pay more for a product knowing it serves my dog well.  Nope, could never switch her food at this point, no desire to either.  If I were going to switch her food at this point I only have one alternative and that is home cooked.  IMO, anything else would jeopardize her health at this point, especially high carb high fiber diets like your recommendation.  Not to be rude or anything, thanks but NO THANKS.

cc431

I noticed they don't even list the Cals per cup, maybe out of embarrassment. 

Prior to Abady posting their ingredients, were you embarrassed by their omission or is your embarrassment more selective in nature?  ;)

probe1957

cc431

in fact you will never see Abady feeds listed at the WDJ.

No, you certainly won't.  Not as long as they use by-products. 

Some favorite quotes in reference to the WDJ from Abady Articles (various):

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Following the advice on nutrition of the Whole Dog Journal on nutrition will often steer you in the wrong direction.  Their opinions generally are scientifically invalid and often lack basic common sense.

Typical of the WDJ is the promotion of the inclusion of whole grains and high fiber such as wheat, brown rice, and others.  Because of their high gluten content they are significant sources of allergies in dogs.  Dogs and cats have come to us over the millennia consuming tissue from a variety of animals, each bringing in factors unique to each animal.  The WDJ in its absence of knowledge considers this a minus rather than a plus.  Can anyone believe the nonsense they espouse and still remain in business?"

CC

is all that just opinion? or are there actual sources to back up those claims?

i dont currently feed our dogs a food that is on their list, but i dont discredit their list because of that either. 

cyclefiend2000

is all that just opinion? or are there actual sources to back up those claims?

i dont currently feed our dogs a food that is on their list, but i dont discredit their list because of that either. 

What sources are you looking for?  A peer-review study with industry-backed money?  I believe it...you listen to the WDJ they will steer you in the wrong direction.  That is the direction of high-carb high fiber diets.  There is a better way to feed your dogs.  You can home cook with plenty of meat or use a "species-appropriate" feed like Abady.  They are the two absolute best options to "ensure effectiveness and safety".

 I dont have a problem with by-products per say,as long as they are listed on the ingredient list.Why cant the manu's put "Liver,kidney,heart" etc on their ingredient list instead of lumping all and sundry under the by-product umbrella?

By just listing by-products,it gives them alot of leeway to add whatever they want from batch to batch.The consumer can have NO idea what exactly it is they are feeding their pets.

I'm sure that if manufacture's who use byproducts only add in the good/nutritious parts,such as listed above they would have no problems listing them on their ingredient profile.But if they ARE just adding in "feathers,beaks,hooves" etc then their food wouldnt sell very well,therefore it's just easier for them to list by-products.

Like i said i have nothing against nutritious by-products being in my pets foods,but i cant tell what it is if the manufactures are hiding under the by-products umbrella .... 

It's always interesting to me how people are so concerned with what exactly the by-product is specifically.  Yet, they will discuss how wolves or dogs would eat in the "wild" and that is just fine for them.  I don't think the dog decides, I don't want the hoof of that deer. . .

I'd like to know for my own information dealing with a dog that has food issues.  But, does it really matter other than that??

 I forgot to add,that it really worries me when i keep hearing "you have to feed much less" or "my 100lb dog only needs 2 cups of X food" etc etc. I know my dogs like a full bowl of food,i have never strived to feed them as little as possible.Feeding times is one of the biggest highlights of our dogs day,why try and feed them as small amount as we can get away with???

My dogs get more fresh foods than kibble,and i cant stand it when they polish off their meals in 30 seconds flat,just doesnt seem too satisfying.I add large chunks of meat,chicken/turkey necks chopped up and stuff that they have to take their time to eat.I just dont get this "feed them less" mentality?? 

willowchow

It's always interesting to me how people are so concerned with what exactly the by-product is specifically

Because i want to know if i'm feeding beaks,feathers or hooves or heart,kidney's or liver. I pay good money for my dogs food and i want to know exactly what it is that they are eating.

In the wild, wolves will eat one heart,2 kidney's or whatever of their kill.A food that lists by-products could have none or all of the above.I just wonder why they have to hide their ingredients under by-products,just makes me suspicious is all. 

cc431

What sources are you looking for?  A peer-review study with industry-backed money?  I believe it...you listen to the WDJ they will steer you in the wrong direction.  That is the direction of high-carb high fiber diets.  There is a better way to feed your dogs.  You can home cook with plenty of meat or use a "species-appropriate" feed like Abady.  They are the two absolute best options to "ensure effectiveness and safety".

i certainly dont take what the WDJ has to say as gospel, and i surely wouldnt take any ONE source as that. any dog food company can say anything about their food they want... that doesnt make it true or informative. if i read something about a particular food (other than the ingredient listing) on the manufacturer's site, i automatically assume i am reading marketing propaganda.
 

It's always interesting to me how people are so concerned with what exactly the by-product is specifically.  Yet, they will discuss how wolves or dogs would eat in the "wild" and that is just fine for them.  I don't think the dog decides, I don't want the hoof of that deer. . .

I do agree with this, but I also agree with the thinking that goes behind people's unease with by products.  It's just not knowing how much of it is there.  I'm totally cool with skin, cartilage, tripe, trachea, organ, and other offal being included in a food - but as someone said it would be nicer to be able to see the breakdown.  Heart is much higher in certain essential proteins than cartilage (only contained in muscle meat), so if the by product is mostly cartilage it's going to be low in those amino acids.

The problem is that in most cases even the food producers don't know!  They just get loads of this stuff from the processors - it just depends on what is going through at the time.

I do not believe they are allowed to include feathers, fur, bone, or hooves in "by products" - more than is unavoidable in processing. 

cc431

fish n dog

If you want a better food for you Hunting Dog try Annamaet Ultra....IMHO  it is way superior to Abady and costs less.(even if you need it shipped.)

You've got to be kidding right?  I just looked it up and it is something I would never even consider.  I noticed they don't even list the Cals per cup, maybe out of embarrassment.  By the looks of it I'll guess in the 350-370 range.  Far too weak of a formula IMO.  I would avoid it simply for the reason it is 3% fiber and contains Beet Pulp.  IMO that type of food should (3% fiber plus an expansion type fiber like Beet Pulp) should be avoided.  "And it cost less" has no bearing on the matter.  It is not about costs for me but rather what I feel is best for my dog.  I will gladly pay more for a product knowing it serves my dog well.  Nope, could never switch her food at this point, no desire to either.  If I were going to switch her food at this point I only have one alternative and that is home cooked.  IMO, anything else would jeopardize her health at this point, especially high carb high fiber diets like your recommendation.  Not to be rude or anything, thanks but NO THANKS.

Annamaet Ultra  from their web site ( note the 4.0 oz per cup) So if I need instruction on how to read this let me know !

fish n dog

Annamaet Ultra  from their web site ( note the 4.0 oz per cup) So if I need instruction on how to read this let me know !

Thanks for the info, I did look for it but did not see it listed on the same page as the 'ultra', and being the last thing on my mind is switching products I wasn't going to root around further.  It would appear they lump all the products under one barrel there and provide you with 3 different figures.  I think that one figure that means something would be the Metabolized Energy.  Again, not a viable option for my dogs, I would home cook if I didn't feed Abady.  I find what I am doing very convenient, so I don't picture myself home cooking any time soon.

Edie

 I forgot to add,that it really worries me when i keep hearing "you have to feed much less" or "my 100lb dog only needs 2 cups of X food" etc etc. I know my dogs like a full bowl of food,i have never strived to feed them as little as possible.Feeding times is one of the biggest highlights of our dogs day,why try and feed them as small amount as we can get away with???

My dogs get more fresh foods than kibble,and i cant stand it when they polish off their meals in 30 seconds flat,just doesnt seem too satisfying.I add large chunks of meat,chicken/turkey necks chopped up and stuff that they have to take their time to eat.I just dont get this "feed them less" mentality?? 

That is tricky to understand but it all centers around how powerful the diet and ration and what it can deliver.  Dogs only consume the amount of food necessary to satisfy their caloric intake, then they stop.  Say the dog requires 1600 cals per day.  X product is only powerful enough to deliver 300 cals.  They obviously then require 4 cups per day to satisfy caloric intake.  Then look at X product delivering 800 cals per cup, the same dog then requires only 2 cups per day.  I can attempt to over-feed my dogs with Abady, but it doesn't work that way because they will leave behind in the bowls when the need not consume.  I always provide more than what my 2 dogs require to eat according to the feeding tables and that means there is generally food left behind not consumed.  I can then judge how accurate they eat according to the feeding tables by how long the box of feed will last.  Through my experience (over 5 years on the same product), my dogs do eat within the same ballpark as what the feeding tables indicate.

Suppose I upgraded my granular to a more powerful formula, something in the 1300-1600 cals per cup range (and those are available).  That box of food would cost me more money, however at the same time the consumption levels are decreasing because the diet is more powerful.  Therefore the end result would be my costs would still remain consistent because that box of food will last longer.  So why don't I just but the most expensive formula available?  Good question...because I am a cheapo and I don't like shelling out all the cash in one shot.  It is much easier to come up with the $65 then the $100 when every 3 months comes around and it's time to purchase food again.