Abady Ingredients Posted

 Oh, Charlie, I said I wouldn't get involved but ya got me.    Something just hit me . . .

It is much easier to come up with the $65 then the $100 when every 3 months comes around and it's time to purchase food again.

You are feeding three month old food?   If you are depending on your food to supply omega fatty acids, then they are pretty much gone at the end of your feeding cycle, unless your friend is using some serious heavy duty preservatives in his food (BHA/BHT for instance).  Even preserved omega 3s are very unstable in the presence of oxygen.  You are also losing some vitamins to oxidization - E is particularly vulnerable.

You can slow the process down by cooling the food - the freezer is best.  Once when I got some special food just for Zhi, and realized it was going to take four weeks for us to go through an eight pound bag, I stuck the bag in the freezer.  I keep my cat food in there too.

A shortfall in omega-3s can have long term effects on immune system health, thyroid, and heart health. 

cc431

fish n dog

Annamaet Ultra  from their web site ( note the 4.0 oz per cup) So if I need instruction on how to read this let me know !

Thanks for the info, I did look for it but did not see it listed on the same page as the 'ultra', and being the last thing on my mind is switching products I wasn't going to root around further.  It would appear they lump all the products under one barrel there and provide you with 3 different figures.  I think that one figure that means something would be the Metabolized Energy.  Again, not a viable option for my dogs, I would home cook if I didn't feed Abady.  I find what I am doing very convenient, so I don't picture myself home cooking any time soon.

I have no problem with the food that works for you or your dog.. I was just trying to show you that other good small companies are out there that make a good HUNTING or Sled dog food.

Now you may not like the fact that it has no by-products like Abady but the second ingredient is Human Grade chicken. I know that Abady says white rice is better...  I disagree with that totally. White rice is just a binder for the extruder and has no real food value. White rice in my opinion is just filler. Brown Rice has some food value too. Beet Pulp is a good fiber and water retainer. And allows the bacteria in the bowel a medium to produce vitamins . The only problem I have with any ingredient in Annamaet Ultra is the corn. But it is whole corn ground fresh.  The Lard that Abady uses may be superior to chicken fat. Lard scares people, not dogs.

Again I think it's a wonderful thing to be able to see the ingredients in Abady food. It allows us to compare brands.

INGREDIENT LIST:  Annamaet Ultra

Chicken Meal, Chicken, Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E)). Ground Corn, Fish Meal, Beet Pulp, Wheat Germ Meal, Whole Dry Eggs, Rolled Oats, Brewers Yeast, Flax Seed Meal, Lecithin, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, DL Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Lysine, Proprionic Acid, Vitamin E Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Niacin, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menodione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfate (Source of Vitamin A Activity), Citric Acid, Vitamin D3, Folic Acid, Potassium Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Copper Oxide, Calcium Iodate.

Charlie, I CONTINUE to be absolutely convinced that you work for Abady. 

cc431

Most journals that have information to sell appear to be either over influenced by industry rhetoric or are simply misguided and improperly informed. 

Charlie, if anyone is guilty of being "overly influenced by industry rhetoric" and being "simply misguided and improperly informed," it would be you. 

cc431

by rejecting nutritious by-products it is impossible to make a dog or cat food that contains enough quality animal protein to ensure its effectiveness and safety.

Impossible?  Really?  Where is Abady's scientific evidence to support that?  TBH, I might even agree.  The problem is, when an ingredient is listed as a by-product, a consumer has no way of knowing what it is composed of.  However, that isn't my point.  In your post here, citing I assume, Abady, there are numerous calls, by Abady, demanding scientific evidence in support of a claim.  Where is Abady's scientific, peer revewied, evidence supporting this claim?

cc431

As a result many rations are impoverished while the degree of suffering among dogs and cats continues to escalate.…

The suffering of dogs and cats is escalating because they aren't, in essence, being fed Abady?  Really?  Where is the scientific evidence?

cc431

Under pressure from the Abady Company, the WDJ claims to have modified its stance against by-products. 

Yet, even in the face of this enormous pressure, Abady still didn't make the list.  Hmmmmmm.  Furthermore, if Abady's position is that WDJ "has been misleading dog feeders since its inception seven years ago," why are they (Abady) even bothering trying to exert any pressure on WDJ?  Why not just produce scientific evidence that WDJ's criteria is wrong?  I submit, Abady doesn't produce that evidence because it doesn't exist.

cc431

The WDJ will now "accept by-products providing that they are in supportive role."  What does this mean?  Actually it means nothing. 

What does "by-products" mean?  Oh yeah, actually, it means nothing.

cc431

the WDJ often chooses as its top foods the worst products imaginable. …

Really?  The worst products imaginable?  Does Abady have scientific evidence to support that?  Of course not.  It is, as you said, "misleading" and "industry rhetoric."

cc431

The WDJ claims that evaluating the merits of a food is purely subjective

Really?  Where does WDJ make that claim?

cc431

Can anyone believe the nonsense they espouse and still remain in business?

LMAO.  Exactly what I think about Abady.

That is the direction of high-carb high fiber diets.  There is a better way to feed your dogs.  You can home cook with plenty of meat or use a "species-appropriate" feed like Abady.

weird. I calculate that Abady classic must be around 30% carbohydrates and close to 3% fiber. That's not a low-carbohydrate formula by any definition. EVO for example, is less than 3% fiber and has around 20% carbohydrates. And is cheaper to feed than Abady.

brookcove

 Oh, Charlie, I said I wouldn't get involved but ya got me.    Something just hit me . . .

You are feeding three month old food?   If you are depending on your food to supply omega fatty acids, then they are pretty much gone at the end of your feeding cycle, unless your friend is using some serious heavy duty preservatives in his food (BHA/BHT for instance).  Even preserved omega 3s are very unstable in the presence of oxygen.  You are also losing some vitamins to oxidization - E is particularly vulnerable.

You can slow the process down by cooling the food - the freezer is best.  Once when I got some special food just for Zhi, and realized it was going to take four weeks for us to go through an eight pound bag, I stuck the bag in the freezer.  I keep my cat food in there too.

A shortfall in omega-3s can have long term effects on immune system health, thyroid, and heart health. 

Thanks for your concern, but I am not concerned about the shelf life of the food.  Yes, you should try to keep the food in cool, dry spot.  During hot summer months I will keep it in the basement where it is cooler.  Winter time it doesn't really matter.  I have never had a problem with the food becoming dry.  The consistency of the food is slightly oily, and the oils will settle to the bottom so I pull the bag and mix it up every so often.  I think the food has a shelf life as is probably over a year.

Abady is an natural food with NO preservatives.   It is not marketed under the holistic theme, however sold in those circles sometimes.

I will share with you my start with Abady over 5 years ago.  I had relocated as was in search of a new kennel when I took the family to Disney.  A few people where I work (which IS NOT for Abady) had recommended a local kennel.  One friend warned me...he said listen, this guy is going try to sell you this food called Abady, and I use it for my rottie.  Now, the best way to describe this friend and his wife would be very 'crunchy-granola' type people.  In fact, she travels about one hour each way to shop for groceries at an totally organic supermarket (that is the closest one specializing in total organic, the entire market).  They are very concerned about chemical free, pesticide free, preservative free, etc.  That is the sole reason why they feed Abady to their Rottie.  Trust me, there is absolutely nothing in this product that could ever hurt your dogs, it is an all natural food and very much preservative free.  So, I was very naive over 5 years ago when it comes to dog food (some would assert I still am) and yes I had started my Zoey out on a cheap product.  So the breeder was using Pro Plan, and recommended I try that, and I did for a few bags, but then I went even cheaper... 

I pick up my dogs after returning from Disney, then come the sales pitch.  It all went in one ear and out the other, I listened but figured just the sales pitch I was warned about, let me write the check and get out of here.  So the kennel owner tells me, you spent all this money on the dog, you had this dog flown in from PA, your going to hunt this dog down at the local clubs, and you mean to tell me you're going to feed your dog this crap, and he practically throws my bag of OLD ROY at me.  I ought to slap you upside the head he says to me, what the heck are you thinking?  He pointed out some of what he felt was bad in the Old Roy (just about everything) and then told me to please take this literature, read it over and promise me you'll give it some thought.  I took the literature.  I thought about my friend at work and the reasons why they do it and the all natural bit.  I asked my friend, is this one of wacky holistic type feeds?  He said yes, we use it for the preservative free aspect and being an all natural food, but it is not marketed as such a food.  I thought about that aspect...I read the literature (at that time there was no website), it took about another week before I decided, what they heck, I'm going to give it a shot.  My dogs diet has not changed since.  I will NEVER switch products.  If I own dogs after Zoe, they will be Abady fed dogs without question.  Thanks again for your concern about the shelf life.

Charlie

probe1957

Charlie, I CONTINUE to be absolutely convinced that you work for Abady. 

cc431

Most journals that have information to sell appear to be either over influenced by industry rhetoric or are simply misguided and improperly informed. 

Charlie, if anyone is guilty of being "overly influenced by industry rhetoric" and being "simply misguided and improperly informed," it would be you. 

cc431

by rejecting nutritious by-products it is impossible to make a dog or cat food that contains enough quality animal protein to ensure its effectiveness and safety.

Impossible?  Really?  Where is Abady's scientific evidence to support that?  TBH, I might even agree.  The problem is, when an ingredient is listed as a by-product, a consumer has no way of knowing what it is composed of.  However, that isn't my point.  In your post here, citing I assume, Abady, there are numerous calls, by Abady, demanding scientific evidence in support of a claim.  Where is Abady's scientific, peer revewied, evidence supporting this claim?

 

cc431

As a result many rations are impoverished while the degree of suffering among dogs and cats continues to escalate.…

The suffering of dogs and cats is escalating because they aren't, in essence, being fed Abady?  Really?  Where is the scientific evidence?

cc431

Under pressure from the Abady Company, the WDJ claims to have modified its stance against by-products. 

Yet, even in the face of this enormous pressure, Abady still didn't make the list.  Hmmmmmm.  Furthermore, if Abady's position is that WDJ "has been misleading dog feeders since its inception seven years ago," why are they (Abady) even bothering trying to exert any pressure on WDJ?  Why not just produce scientific evidence that WDJ's criteria is wrong?  I submit, Abady doesn't produce that evidence because it doesn't exist.

cc431

The WDJ will now "accept by-products providing that they are in supportive role."  What does this mean?  Actually it means nothing. 

What does "by-products" mean?  Oh yeah, actually, it means nothing.

cc431

the WDJ often chooses as its top foods the worst products imaginable. …

Really?  The worst products imaginable?  Does Abady have scientific evidence to support that?  Of course not.  It is, as you said, "misleading" and "industry rhetoric."

cc431

The WDJ claims that evaluating the merits of a food is purely subjective

Really?  Where does WDJ make that claim?

cc431

Can anyone believe the nonsense they espouse and still remain in business?

LMAO.  Exactly what I think about Abady.

Dude, you must have an awful lot of free time on your hands.  I'm convinced, you must work for the WDJ.  Complete with cute little smiley face too, isn't that so nice...

CC

mudpuppy

weird. I calculate that Abady classic must be around 30% carbohydrates and close to 3% fiber. That's not a low-carbohydrate formula by any definition. EVO for example, is less than 3% fiber and has around 20% carbohydrates. And is cheaper to feed than Abady.

Classic, not more than 22.6 carb.  

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  Keep recommending those feeds loaded up with fruits and veggies if that is what you feel is best.  I'll stay on my path, thanks all the same.

CC.

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 . Edie said: "Dogs only consume the amount of food necessary to satisfy their caloric intake, then they stop."

Off topic but I read this and actually laughed out loud.  Considering I have 3 dogs that would eat until they threw up LOL.

Without going  back thru the entire thread, I don't think that it was Edie that made that statement.  It can't possibily be correct  or there would be no grossly obese dogs--as seen on a show on Animal Planet last week about obese pets in england.  One dog a cavalier king Charles Spaniel ate 6 slices of birthday cake and that had to be a ton more caoloires than he needed.

 I do think some dogs will eat only until they feel full and then leave the rest of the food, no matter what it is, but othes will eat until they stuffed...just humans.

i also think if you are feeding a high cal food you do need to feed a lot less to prevent dogs like that 203 rottie on that show last week.  I can't recall the figures now, but if Abady's is very high cal, then much less would be needed. And i say if anyone is happy with it, can afford it, their dogs do great on it, then it is the food for their dog.  Onw think I have learned in my 4 1/2 years on this forum.----there is not one food that someone won't find fault with.  To much this, to little that, corn, wheat, rice, perservatives, additives, where it is made, who makes it,   Any food talked about, someone has a dog that did lousy on it, someone else's dog did great on it. 

 Now i have to go feed Honey her Purina One weight mangement and some home cooked doggy chicken stew and feed kayCee her TOTW High Prairie and some chicken stew.

shamrockmommy

. Edie said: "Dogs only consume the amount of food necessary to satisfy their caloric intake, then they stop."

I never said that.

It was Charlie who made that comment in reply to me after i asked why the need to always strive to feed  dogs as least as possible 

cc431

Abady is an natural food with NO preservatives.   It is not marketed under the holistic theme, however sold in those circles sometimes.