Abady Response To The Critics

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    it is actually sold in a dry form. But for some reason the company only provides nutritional info for the rehydrated or never-dehyrated version of the food.  What's wrong with butternut squash? better than potatoes or rice. Full of vitamins and potassium.
     

    You can't directly compare wet and dry foods. For example, most canned dog foods say 9% protein on them. That sounds really low if you try to compare it to almost any kibble. But if you mathematically remove the water content, canned foods come out around 50% protein if dehydrated.
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    This is the one he said ran about $63/40 lbs.

    Classic Granular ingredients
    Chicken By·Products Meal (Highest Quality), White Rice
    Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Lard (the finest rand·
    based source of the longesl chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fa~
    acids), Sunflower Oil (Premium Grade Non-genetically
    Engineered Variety), Beef Fat, Dicalcium Phosphate, Beef Meat
    and Bone Meal, Potassium Chloride, Undefatted Beef Liver,
    Flaxseed Oil (Organic), Whey Protein Concentrate, Choline
    Chloride, Natural Flavor, Menhaden Fish Oil, Ferrous Sulfate, d·
    Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Source of natural Vitamin E),
    Magnesium Oxide, linc Oxide, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C),
    Vitamin A Acetate, Taurine, Niacinamide, d·Calcium
    Pantothenate, Inositol. Citrus Bioflavanoid Complex,
    Ergocalciferol (Vitamin 03), Manganese Sulfate, Riboflavin,
    Potassium Iodide, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite (Vitamin K),
    Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, CuprIC
    Oxide, Chromium GTF, Sodium Selenite. FolIC Acid, Btobn.
    Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B·,.)

     
     
    well no wonder they are afraid to tell anyone what they put in the food. Chicken by-products?  and people buy this stuff for that price? if you want to feed chicken by-products to your dog why don't you just buy bil-jac and save your money?
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    Keep in mind, your comparing apples and oranges. Compare kibbles to other kibbles, but your not going to come up with any kibbles that packs anything near the punch of even Bottom Line Maintenance Granular.


    OK, that's just double talk, I'm sorry. I'm not comparing kibbles to Abady whatever, I'm comparing two feeds. They go in one end, get converted to energy and nutritional building blocks, and go out the other end. I don't care if Abady is selling gold powder - he's making nutritional claims and I have to compare it to what I'm doing now before I can make an informed decision about whether it will work for what I do here.

    If it's like comparing apples and oranges, then fine. We can compare apples and oranges as nutrition, or fruit, or decorative objects, or expressions of the mathematical concept of a spherical shape. That's what I have to do for any feed I consider.
    To the best of my knowledge, federal law states kibbles can be no more than 20% meat. Grain and Carbs (like it or not) dictate the ration and the end result is something like a toasted cereal product with 20% meat.


    There's no federal law governing the amount of meat in any product, to the best of my knowlege.

    t is not a fair comparison to put even the weakest cup of granular up against any kibble product.


    All I want is to compare calories per DM kilogram. That will be a "fair" comparision regardless of form. I can compare beef stock to sheep feed that way if I want to, and have the correct information. And the math still isn't adding up for me.

    the rest is inferior zero-value Gluten source proteins. And, that is the reason it simply just isn't fair to compare kibble to granular.


    Are you aware that rice has gluten also?
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    ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

    This is the one he said ran about $63/40 lbs.

    Classic Granular ingredients
    Chicken By·Products Meal (Highest Quality), White Rice
    Menhaden Fish Meal (Select Grade), Lard (the finest rand·
    based source of the longesl chain Omega 3 and Omega 6 fa~
    acids), Sunflower Oil (Premium Grade Non-genetically
    Engineered Variety), Beef Fat, Dicalcium Phosphate, Beef Meat
    and Bone Meal, Potassium Chloride, Undefatted Beef Liver,
    Flaxseed Oil (Organic), Whey Protein Concentrate, Choline
    Chloride, Natural Flavor, Menhaden Fish Oil, Ferrous Sulfate, d·
    Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Source of natural Vitamin E),
    Magnesium Oxide, linc Oxide, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C),
    Vitamin A Acetate, Taurine, Niacinamide, d·Calcium
    Pantothenate, Inositol. Citrus Bioflavanoid Complex,
    Ergocalciferol (Vitamin 03), Manganese Sulfate, Riboflavin,
    Potassium Iodide, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite (Vitamin K),
    Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, CuprIC
    Oxide, Chromium GTF, Sodium Selenite. FolIC Acid, Btobn.
    Cyanocobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B·,.)



    well no wonder they are afraid to tell anyone what they put in the food. Chicken by-products?  and people buy this stuff for that price? if you want to feed chicken by-products to your dog why don't you just buy bil-jac and save your money?


    Old Roy is missing the boat.  They should just charge $4 a pound for it and tell everyone that it is the best food they can buy for their dog..... [;)]
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    Soon info Sooner did not include:

    CLASSIC/ per 8oz measuring cup

    794.5 Calories per cup
    8oz cup of Classic = 5.93 oz

    Formula for Maintenance and Stress/ per 8oz cup

    796.46 Calories per cup
    8oz cup M&S = 5.882 oz

    In regards to kcal/kg, I think these numbers translate into 7940 and 7960 respectively.

     
    Now that's some fuzzy math if I ever saw any. Assuming a cup of the food really does weigh nearly 6 oz, there are approx. 2.7 cups in a pound. So ~800 calories x 2.7 (cups per lb) x 2.2 (lbs per kg) = ~4750 calories per kg. The food would have to be nearly 85% fat to have 8000 calories per kg.
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    To the best of my knowledge, federal law
    states kibbles can be no more than 20% meat

     
       There are many kibbles that have more meat than that; Eagle Pack Holistic formulas are 40% meat meal, which is meat with the water removed, a much more concentrated form of meat. Timberwolf Organics is 47% meat meal. Why would there be a law regulating the amount of meat in a kibble; makes no sense.
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    For some reason, DS was looking around the forum today and did a google search on Abady....being a rep for Blue, he is curious about other foods.  He ended up calling the company, speaking with Abady himself and when he asked about ingredients, the man was evasive.  DS asked if it was customary to let folks know what was IN the food they were paying that kind of money for, and Abady called him an a$$hole and hung up on him.
     
    So much for personality.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: glenmar

    For some reason, DS was looking around the forum today and did a google search on Abady....being a rep for Blue, he is curious about other foods.  He ended up calling the company, speaking with Abady himself and when he asked about ingredients, the man was evasive.  DS asked if it was customary to let folks know what was IN the food they were paying that kind of money for, and Abady called him an a$$hole and hung up on him.

    So much for personality.


    I think if this  Company  can talk someone into buying their overpriced mystery  food, I could talk the same person into buying a bridge that goes from Manhattan to Brooklyn New York.   [;)]
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    DS asked if it was customary to let folks know what was IN the food they were paying that kind of money for, and Abady called him an a$$hole and hung up on him.


    WOW!!!  Thems is fighting words!!!   What a business person he must be!
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    He must not be that way with his vendors though.  Because I know a guy who runs a online pet food distrubution company and he's very fussy about who he deals with and what brands he carries.  I know he wouldn't put up with that kind of treatment.
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    ORIGINAL: jessies_mom

      There are many kibbles that have more meat than that; Eagle Pack Holistic formulas are 40% meat meal, which is meat with the water removed, a much more concentrated form of meat. Timberwolf Organics is 47% meat meal. Why would there be a law regulating the amount of meat in a kibble; makes no sense.


    I was going to bring up those very same points.
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    ORIGINAL: glenmar
    He ended up calling the company, speaking with Abady himself and when he asked about ingredients, the man was evasive.  DS asked if it was customary to let folks know what was IN the food they were paying that kind of money for, and Abady called him an a$$hole and hung up on him.




    Wow. [:o] That is so incredibly unprofessional. [&:] Everything that I hear about Mr. Abady is that he's very much like a cult leader. Just my opinion.
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    ORIGINAL: Luvntzus

    Everything that I hear about Mr. Abady is that he's very much like a cult leader.


    An egomaniac who can't believe someone would dare question him, instead of just unconditionally accepting everything he says.
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    I understand that many of you don't care for the food or the marketing or Abady himself.   You can talk about the evils of chicken by-product meal, you can talk about 'cloak and dagger' approach, you can talk about the Brooklyn Bridge, but none of you could ever convince me otherwise this isn't the best food in the world!  Fact is Robert Abady has helped a lot of people overcome problems and reduced the amounts of vet time and bills for many by developing "species-appropriate" feeds.  This is about peak health and correcting problems via appropriate nutrition.  I think this food is amazing fail to understand why everyone seems so animatedly negative toward this product.  Abady is in your corner fighting for better overall nutrition and has been for decades taking on big players the WDJ in regards what is proper and adequate nutrition.
     
    Some of you are skeptical of the numbers.  You may be skeptical but I too am very skeptical when I see some feeds boast ridiculously high protein numbers (much higher than standard cat food at that) and then you look at all the non-meat items
    and wonder were is all this protein coming from?
     
    Some find the marketing inappropriate while others like myself are grateful to find someone who puts all his cards right on the table (through the research and articles) in regards animal nutrition and appropriate feeding.  Abady states his position clearly on animal nutrition and the product reflects that position.
     
    Odd thing is, right now all the marketing that most of you must be in full approval of is indeed the marketing under fire right now!  It deals with the concept and common practice of the big players "humanizing" your pets.  That humanization of pets is exactly the type of marketing I can do without, and that marketing has had a negative impact on the overall state of health of our pets health.  For example, I recall my attention been suddenly drawn toward this TV commercial while I was sipping a hot coffee in a cafeteria.  It was a dog riding shotgun in a convertible, with the seatbelt on him.  I soon realized my attention picked for a second or two by a Beniful commercial; as the string beans and carrots start floating down the screen.  That I think is the perfect example of humanizing your pets, riding in front passenger seat in a convertible w/ seat belt, coat blowing in the wind.
    You would never consider feeding your humanized pets something like that horrible highly nutritious chicken by-product meal or that nasty human artery clogging lard.  Your opinions may have been fostered along unwittingly by the constant barrage of humanization we witness daily through the advertisement...only products good enough for your own table that you would eat yourself...put your trust in us to serve for humanized friend only the freshest cuts of meat and chicken.  And you think Abady marketing is so terrible for him stating his position on what is appropriate feeding and exposing the weaknesses in commercial rations and these guys have dogs in the front seat of vehicles?  Well, I hope you all realize the safest place for your pet to travel
    is in a crate in the back seat and vegetables, fruit, plant matter and grains could very well be doing your dogs more harm than good.  Visit the pet food recall threads, look over the COMPLAINTS and the EXHIBITS and you'll get a feel for what I'm talking about.  And in all honesty, I hope the lawyers tear them all apart for marketing to you and your humanized pet cheap and deadly ingredients from China.  I only bring this up about the marketing because many of you feel Abady is the devious, unscrupulous player here in the marketing when in actuality, I think you all got it backwards!
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    ORIGINAL: sooner

    ORIGINAL: Luvntzus

    Everything that I hear about Mr. Abady is that he's very much like a cult leader.


    An egomaniac who can't believe someone would dare question him, instead of just unconditionally accepting everything he says.


    YES, precisely.