Abady Response To The Critics

People keep saying that they wouldnt buy a food that doesnt post their ingredients.But arent all the ingredients and GA listed on the back of the bags??? Go out to the store that carries abady and read them there,thats what people that dont have computer access would have to do []

ORIGINAL: kennel_keeper

Kelly, just looking at the ingredient list's for these foods, I can see where a potential problem would occur if these ingredients we listed publically.

First of all, there are quality statements in that list and that is illegal according to the AAFCO standards. The manufacture is NOT suppose to list an ingredient this way. It's only suppose to list it by name. Also, there may be some ingredients on there that may not be approved for pet foods (but I'm not sure on that one) as I haven't reviewed the list of approved foods in a long time.

 
My thoughts on AAFCO: 
If you go into a supermarket and pick out the worst bag of dog food you can think of it will probably have an AAFCO statement.  And, if you go into pet store and buy there best bag of kibble you will also find an AAFCO statement.
That is what you call a pretty huge spread people.  If you follow AAFCO advice, each bag is complete and balanced so is one to assume one is just as good as the other?  AAFCO is very subjective when it comes to choices of foods, and how they choose to describe the ingredients.  Earlier Bob supplied us with AAFCO definition of Lard.  Used to make a poor quality food seem better, more or less is their choice of words.  Can you believe that nonsense and take a statement like that serious?
Couldn't they have said used to make a high quality feed even better and said the same thing?   Point is they are subjective
and it shows.  Go grab a bag of Kibbles and Bits and read the statement; does that make it good stuff?  Bob?  Kennel Keeper?
But it's AAFCO right, come on...Kibbles and Bits must be good stuff, AAFCO tells of this, no?  AAFCO is not a government agency and they have no enforcement powers in regards to laws.  Maybe Abady is in violation of whatever agenda AAFCO represents in regards to labeling, but I don't care one bit!  I like the side notes in parentheses and think it's good!  I like knowing the CBM is select grade and highest quality.  I didn't know about Lard being the longest chain of essential fatty acids.  I like knowing the Sunflower Oil is not produced in a laboratory chemical engineered but rather the more expensive pure and natural Sunflower Oil.   There is also plenty you don't know about law in regards to ingredients what AAFCO doesn't want you to know.  For instance, how a food manufacturer is allowed to substitute for muscle meat (chicken) and legally allowed to simply give you just the skin.  Me personally, I have not one drop of faith in AAFCO.  Some of you may push all your chips into the center of the table with AAFCO thinking they won't steer you in the wrong direction.  I just assume throw those cards away.
 
Charlie
 
 

But arent all the ingredients and GA listed on the back of the bags???

Can someone please,please,please answer this question??? It has been asked a few times but no response [&:]

ORIGINAL: Edie

But arent all the ingredients and GA listed on the back of the bags???

Can someone please,please,please answer this question??? It has been asked a few times but no response [&:]

Yes Edie, but I really don't see where that matters. Abady isn't carried in every store, or even in every state. People who are considering buying it online should be able to see what they are spending their money on, other than marketing claims.

ORIGINAL: Edie

But arent all the ingredients and GA listed on the back of the bags???

Can someone please,please,please answer this question??? It has been asked a few times but no response [&:]

 
According the labeling laws, it has to be and there are very strict rules as to what can be included in the ingredients list. No quality statements are allowed, but only the name of the ingredient (or group of ingredients). So, according to Abady's information that Kelly posted, they are in violation of that law. They are skirting the rules that ALL the other companies are following. I'm sure that many of the other companies that we all know and love, would be all for ingredient quality statements to be included on the list, after all, it would only make their great product appear even better, but they ARE playing by the rules.
 
Regardless of my personal opinions of AAFCO, I recognize that they DO exsist and have specific rules that manufactures are to abide by. Do I think some of these rules are not consumer-friendly, yes, but they ARE the rules currently and all the other companies are following them. Why should Abady be any different in that respect. As far as the laws in regards to dog food manufacturing, perhaps I don't know as much as some people, but I've learned alot in my animal nutrition classes, my animal law classes, this forum, and through my personal research. I hope I never stop learning []

Go out to the store that carries abady and read them there,thats what people that dont have computer access would have to do 

 
Where can you find Abady in a store?   I don't even see a locator on their website helping you to find one.

ORIGINAL: cc431

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8
This appears tp be a much better food at alot less cost and you can read the ingredients on the Internet.  No byproducts, and no Menadione...
[linkhttp://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1485]http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1485[/link]
[linkhttp://forums.dogfoodproject.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=dogfood&Number=15024&Searchpage=1&Main=15024&Words=evo&topic=&Search=true#Post15024]http://forums.dogfoodproject.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=dogfood&Number=15024&Searchpage=1&Main=15024&Words=evo&topic=&Search=true#Post15024[/link]

The key word here is "appears".

Well "appears" , after looking at the ingredients, is a heck of a lot better than " take my word for it, it is the best , and that is why I am charging so much for it" which is apparently the Abady way of  talking to it's customers and doing business. 

ORIGINAL: Edie

People keep saying that they wouldnt buy a food that doesnt post their ingredients.But arent all the ingredients and GA listed on the back of the bags??? Go out to the store that carries abady and read them there,thats what people that dont have computer access would have to do []

 
Good point Edie.  Abady just got a web page like last year sometime.  Yes, the GA and ingredients are posted on every box,
like any other food.  Only difference is they like to use side notes with the ingredients.

Good point Edie.  Abady just got a web page like last year sometime.  Yes, the GA and ingredients are posted on every box,
like any other food.  Only difference is they like to use side notes with the ingredients.

 
Okay, so I must be writing in invisible ink again.....as in my last post:
 
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Go out to the store that carries abady and read them there,thats what people that dont have computer access would have to do 
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Where can you find Abady in a store?   I don't even see a locator on their website helping you to find one.

And I live 60 to 100 miles from the nearest store that might sell a food like this. I'm not spending $70 in gas to go look at the ingredients on a box of food. This is why companies that have issues with openness give me the willies. Even if I got to the trouble of phoning the company (which I've heard may or may not also give good results if one is doing so to ask questions) - how do I know they are not giving me the run around?

It's all just a little too black helicopterish for my taste. [sm=abducted.gif]

I looked at 2 feeds, the chicken-turkey and the beef.  Both had stated 65 calories per ounce.  Using a standard 8 oz measuring cup, we find the numbers add up to 520 per cup.  The 1200 cals per cup figure doesn't seem to hold water.

 
That's in the wet form of the Nature's variety diet. Mostly water. I converted their numbers to a dehydrated form, so you can compare them directly to dry kibble numbers.

TWO Lamb, Barley, Apple = 3920 kcal/kg
Abady Maint = 9820 kcal/kg

 
I'm trying to figure out where you got that number, because it's entirely impossible. A kg of pure fat can only have 9000 calories (1000 grams @ 9 cals per gram), and with the amount of protein and carbs (both are 4 cals per gram) in that food, the number of calories per kilogram can't be anywhere near 9000, let alone nearly 10000. I'm coming up with 5000, tops.

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b

TWO Lamb, Barley, Apple = 3920 kcal/kg
Abady Maint = 9820 kcal/kg

I'm trying to figure out where you got that number, because it's entirely impossible. A kg of pure fat can only have 9000 calories (1000 grams @ 9 cals per gram), and with the amount of protein and carbs (both are 4 cals per gram) in that food, the number of calories per kilogram can't be anywhere near 9000, let alone nearly 10000. I'm coming up with 5000, tops.

From post #67, the information off the label:

Maintenance & Stress GA
Crude Protein Not less than 32.4
Crude Fat Not less than 28.9
Crude Fiber Not more than 1 (non-expandable variety)
Moisture Not more than 5.6
Linoleic Acid Not less than 5
Calcium MIn. 2.25 Max 2.6
Phos horous Min. 1.8 Max 2.4

Calories per pound 2166.15

Soon info Sooner did not include:

CLASSIC/ per 8oz measuring cup

794.5 Calories per cup
8oz cup of Classic = 5.93 oz

Formula for Maintenance and Stress/ per 8oz cup

796.46 Calories per cup
8oz cup M&S = 5.882 oz

In regards to kcal/kg, I think these numbers translate into 7940 and 7960 respectively.

Keep in mind, your comparing apples and oranges.  Compare kibbles to other kibbles, but your not going to come up with any kibbles that packs anything near the punch of even Bottom Line Maintenance Granular.  Hopefully if in the future I can spend of few extra dollars I will purchase of bag of Abady Kibble, that way the field will be more even for comparison....fair enough?

Kibbles to be kibbles must contain enough non-meat ingredients to hold it together.  To the best of my knowledge, federal law
states kibbles can be no more than 20% meat.  Grain and Carbs (like it or not) dictate the ration and the end result is something like a toasted cereal product with 20% meat.  It is not a fair comparison to put even the weakest cup of granular up against any kibble product.

Another area where people tend to lose focus is the fact the protein core of 30% is over 90% animal based protein as compared to Gluten protein.  Only Bottom Line Granular is below the 90% mark but still giving up 87% animal source of the protein core.  Kibbles on the other hand boasting 30%, 35%, 42% protein, figure only 50% and less of the protein core animal source proteins and because grain and carbs dictate the ration, the rest is inferior zero-value Gluten source proteins. And, that is the reason it simply just isn't fair to compare kibble to granular.  I will do what I say though, some day get a bag of Abady kibble for comparison.

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy  That's in the wet form of the Nature's variety diet. Mostly water. I converted their numbers to a dehydrated form, so you can compare them directly to dry kibble numbers.

 
Wait a sec....WHAT?  Converted numbers to a dehydrated form, WHY?  Shouldn't food be kept in proper perspective in regards to the numbers?  In other words I doubt people purchase the product and then dehydrate before serving.  The food is what it is as sold, 65 cals per oz.  For the sake of argument, lets assume someone is dehydrating their purchased Raw product.  Figuring in the moisture content, how many bags of Raw would one have to purchase to end up with a reasonable amount of dry product to serve after dehydration?  Did you calculate that into the scenario noting an increase in costs in regards to over doubling of the calorie content after dehydration?  If you're going to take 520 cals and turn them into 1200, those cals don't come without a price to pay, and that would be the extra bags of food to make up for all that moisture content.
 
I wouldn't dwell over the numbers on this one though Mudpuppy, I'm still surprised you hit me with all things...Butternut Squash? Did you get a chance to look at the Raw article off Abady website?  I think you would find it interesting.