cc431
Posted : 7/29/2007 12:34:56 AM
ORIGINAL: brookcove
I'm still not getting the math. That stuff would have to be like 9000 kcal/kg to match the cost effectiveness of even EVO for my gang. Not to mention the stuff I'm actually feeding now.
And you keep saying stuff like "meat based proteins" and "carnivores" while this feed contains quite a bit of corn, or did last time I looked. Which is all very well, whatever, many of mine do just fine on the stuff in the right form. But corn has a LOT of protein. And beyond whether the protein in a feed comes from animals or plants, you also have to factor in the total energy you are delivering - the higher up the corn, the more percentage of the energy it is contributing, no matter how the ingredients read. Which, again, whatever, but it's a little disingenuous to run down other companies for having blueberries in their feeds while the TDN of this feed gets a very high percentage of kcals from corn.
I don't really care one way or another - I'm just annoyed at the double talking. I have to say that this alone would keep me from doing business with such a company, regardless of how wonderful the feed is.
Classic is 800 Cals per cup. It use to have corn in the formula, no more. Any labels you see are possibly ten year old labels.
Corn actually came out of the mix a good 6-12 months prior to the Diamond corn problem. That is the time when I first noticed corn was out. I had figured corn was out because it was risky with the fungus or the allergen possibility. My dogs never had a problem with corn in the diet. Turns out Mr. Abady explains this in his response to the food critics. Corn is no longer corn as we once knew it I guess. That is what I make out of his response. Everything today I guess is hybrid seed this and clone that or whatever but for some reasons some dogs I guess are having trouble with corn. You want good corn you need to get a bag of road-side corn I guess.
As far as costs go, nobody I know is buying State of the Art stuff. Classic, Basic, and Formula for Maintenance and Stress are the products most Abady feeders are buying. I may pick up a 35 pound box of Basic Maintenance come this fall. I haven't purchased a box of Basic in a few years.
If you're calculating costs in your head for comparison, all I can tell you is my two dogs, the Yorkie and the Field Setter are about 50 pounds combined, and it runs me on average $21-23 a month to feed them Classic. I use to get boxes of Classic for 58 years back. Now the best I've seen is 63. Typical is probably 65. No other supplements or additives. Her food intake may increase slightly during hunting season, but not by much.
I know a lady from another list who recently move 15 of her Collies onto Abady. She told me it was actually working out cheaper than the former TWO and supplements. In fact, one of her older boys (10) allergy prone and constant skin problems is finally now trouble free after all these years. Funny thing is some warned her he would not do well on this type of feed (high meat content). Abady, who she deals with personally told her dogs are simply not allergic to my feeds. He was right, and she said this dog is now thriving, actually running around like a
up again! She is very happy and pleased with the results. She also said news travels fast in the Collie world and a total of 56 (within circles she knows) dogs are now moved off of there former products and onto granular. This all stems from that recall stuff. She saw one of my postings about the safety of the products
and how Abady has been avoiding gluten proteins for years in their products. I posted the same Abady Customer Memo here on this board as well (criticized, at that mind you).
As far as double talk and all that stuff goes not really sure what you mean? Abady approach to feeding for over 30 years
has been a carnivore style ration. Yes, there use to be corn, replaced by white rice, but the important issue here in the diet is where is the carb level? Abady keeps the carb levels low, Fiber near nil.