Abady Response To The Critics

I didn't bring up that my grandma who cooked with lard--fried her eggs in butter, tho--died 4 months short of her 100th birthday.  Her son, muy dad, died at 58 of botched surgery, but his heart and lungs were so good  and strong he lived 2 days after they said he wouldn't last an hour  And he was a 2 pack a day smoker also.  My grandpa died of heart attack at age 78.  he was also a 2 pack a day smoker and had worked long and hard as a farmer. Quote by Sandra Slayton

but my two grandmas lived to be quite old...in fact my moms mom died about 91.   They not only cooked in lard ( I don't ever remember a bottle of Crisco oil around my house ) they baked a ton of things every saturday and used lard for Quote by Dyan.  

 


Yes, we all know those people with certain predisposed genetic lines who eat lard, fat, smoke drink daily and live to be in their 100's.  Keep in mind that the fats ,meats, eggs, bacon etc where not as highly processed as they are today.  Back a few decades ago farmers were not fattening up their livestock unnaturally or adding antibiotics to the food which will be eaten by the person eating fat or meat.  The air was cleaner, less pollution etc.  People worked hard back then and did not lead sedandary lifestyles that many live today.  A farmer or housewife had a chance to work off those unhealthy foods...now you have people sitting in front of computers for 8 hours straight.  My grandfather lived to be in his late 90's, his health was excellent and all organs in top shape but the loss of his wife made him not want to go on and poor emotional health is what killed him off.  My grandfather ate healthy and did not have any health issues at all in his life.  I like using eople like that as a role model rather than...oh my grandparent lived to be 90 and ate, smoked, drank everyday!!! not good advise at all IMO[]  Just to add that stress and mental state of mind also takes a toll on ones health.

We have a lot more to deal with in this age and for me it makes more sense to fuel your body and your pets properly so they can fight off pollution and all the toxins our bodies are forced to deal with daily.

talking about heart disease in humans seems a bit off topic to me; dogs metabolize fat totally differently. Not to mention that trans hydrogenated fats like Crisco are much more unhealthy for humans than lard or butter.
 
 
I can't see paying $3.70 a pound for any kibble regardless of ingredients; I simply would not even care what is in there, it's not worth it. That's about on par for the most expensive raw pre-made on the market! 

I am not paying that kind of price either.  Now if they could make me a guarntee that my dogs would live to 25 years old on it...i would snap it up.
 
When I go on the gambling boat i am appalled at the size so so mnay of the people on that boat--men over 300 pounds, women over 250 pounds.  And why?  I hvae noticed the majority of them by pass the tossed salad, slaw, fruits and opt for the pasta salads.  They skip the baked fish and chicken and go for the pasta and rice main dishes, potaotes--forget the  green & yellow veggies and soup--cornbread AND rolls and a a piece of all three desserts on the dessert table.  I see this every time i am on the boat, many times some are a my table.  I have been squashed between two of them at the slot machine.  I am far from being a skinny minnie...could stand to lose 5-6 pounds, maybe 10, but some of them make me look like a tongue depressor turned sideways.  They wouldn't even be that size with what they eat if they didn't eat so darn much, go thru the buffet line a couple of times. 
 
I think a lot of people over feed their dogs, especially older ones, that don't get enough exercise.And if left up to my husband, our girls would be over fed.  He thinks i don't feed them enough.
 
I do think this food is probably great for some dogs but it isn't for mine--just as mine is not good for all other dogs either.
 
 
 

I can't see paying $3.70 a pound for any kibble regardless of ingredients; I simply would not even care what is in there, it's not worth it. That's about on par for the most expensive raw pre-made on the market!

 
I'm paying less for organic, free range turkey which is what I use as the base for my dogs' diet.
 
I have heard, that visible pork or beef fat such as lard or suet can excerbate symptoms of arthritis. That one still needs more people with experience to know for sure, but I decided to avoid those types of fats for that reason rather than for cholesterol.

I just now looked at this thread.  Yes, jlphilli=me   lol []  Didn't realize I put their panties in a bunch [sm=drinking47.gif]  Mind you I wrote that QUITE awhile go, haha.

**Edited to add**

After reading that response I really have to LOL at some of his statements.  I mean, pardon me if I'm  being "nonsensical," but he didn't explain once why he can charge an arm and a leg for that type of food....   ....

just now looked at this thread. Yes, jlphilli=me lol

HOW FUNNY!!!  I use to LOVE reading your posts on rateitall.com and looked at all the links you provided etc....  THANKS for helping me find idog! []

Aw thanks! []  Glad I could help!

ORIGINAL: Luvntzus  Regardless of whether lard is or isn't healthy, how expensive could those ingredients be that 35 pounds of the food costs $130.

 
I tried to explain this in another thread but I guess it didn't come off very tactful, but would like to try again.  Here goes:
 
Abady makes I think 7 different Granular formulas.  Then there are I think a few formulas geared for specific purpose, IE., stud dog conditioner, spayed bitch weight-loss.  Setting those few aside, there are the main 7 formulas.  "Bottom Line Maintenance" is lowest and "State of the Art" sits at the top.  There is a good spread in the cost of these granulars.  The food at $130 for 35 pounds is the State of the Art High Stress and Competition.  That price in itself is probably a bit high and could get it cheaper.
My box of "Classic" (second from the bottom) is 40-pounds at I've seen at $63-68.  Classic is 30% protein and 28% fat.  92.4 % of the protein core is animal source.  Suppose I want to bump that up a notch and move into 31% protein, 29% Fat, and 93.5% animal source of the protein core?  I can very easily do that, but that increase doesn't come without and added increase in cost.  The higher you take it, the more you will pay.  The Granular for 130 at 35 pounds, guessing maybe 36 percent protein 97.2 animal source.  The main point is, there is a Granular out there suitable for everyone.  If you're in preparation for (not a pipe dream) Madison Square Garden, you probably already know about feeds such as State of the Art High Competition and Stress and that 130 box of food.  There is a market for these products.  I shouldn't make assumptions and say this doesn't seem like anyones ballpark here, for one never knows, but for the sake of argument lets assume not everyones aspirations are as high as MSG; fair enough?  Suppose your aspirations are more in tune with taking home the ribbon for Agility at the County Fair?  There is a Granular out there for you and it need not be 130 a box.   Consider the working dogs and hunting dogs.  My dog hunts maybe (unfortunately) maybe 20-30 days per year.  Some dogs may spend half the year hunting.  I get by fine with "Classic" with my dogs light schedule but the other could probably use "Formula for Maintenance and Stress" if hunting their dogs harder.  Local Events, State Events, Regional...there is something there in the Granular line for everyone.  The good ol' house dog will do great on it too, but Bottom Line or Classic like I use would be fine, there is no need to shop for 130 per box.  I know one thing, a lot of the K-9 Cops are on "Classic"!  I think in order to be fair, the high ends feeds maybe seem beyond most peoples realm, it ain't mine that's for sure, but there is a market out there for those products.

ORIGINAL: papillon806

Aw thanks! []  Glad I could help!

 
Mind if I call you...."gunslinger"?  I think he actually said in there somewhere "cocomamma gunslinger"?  Too funny...How long ago was that?  Anything you said then you feel different about now in regards to nutrition, not price?
 
Thanks,
Charlie
 
 

Mind if I call you...."gunslinger"? I think he actually said in there somewhere "cocomamma gunslinger"? Too funny...How long ago was that? Anything you said then you feel different about now in regards to nutrition, not price?

Thanks,
Charlie

Haha yay a new nickname! [8D] 

I think that was written close to a year ago.  I am a little more "forgiving" than I may have been back then re: byproducts and corn, etc, but the price still leaves me shocked.  I tried to look up an updated ingredient list but was unable to find one on their site so I am not able to "re-evaluate" it at the moment.

Classic is 30% protein and 28% fat. 92.4 % of the protein core is animal source. Suppose I want to bump that up a notch and move into 31% protein, 29% Fat, and 93.5% animal source of the protein core? I can very easily do that, but that increase doesn't come without and added increase in cost. The higher you take it, the more you will pay.

 
yeah, but you can get Eaglepack power pack, 30% protein, $40 for 40 pounds; you can get TO wild n natural, 36% protein, 33 pounds for $53; Abady is seriously over-priced.

ORIGINAL: cc431

The food at $130 for 35 pounds is the State of the Art High Stress and Competition.

Actually the $130.99/35 lb is the State of the Art Maintenance & Stress and it's marketed for "all adult dogs or growth formula for puppies that will weigh less than 60lbs at one year of age".

The State of the Art High Stress & Competition Formula is actually cheaper, at $125.99/48 lb. It's the one you're thinking of, that's "to be used where maximum endurance and extreme physical effort are demanded".

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy  yeah, but you can get Eaglepack power pack, 30% protein, $40 for 40 pounds; you can get TO wild n natural, 36% protein, 33 pounds for $53; Abady is seriously over-priced.

Hi Mudpuppy.  I always agree with 999.9% of your posts, except this one.  Reason I disagree this time is with the comparison with costs to the other feeds is not really fair.  The person feeding EP or TO and feeding the same weight class is also moving through product quicker than I.  Because of the strengths of the feeds compared, the feeding tables are going to be different.  My dog will be consuming less product as compared to the others, possibly up to 2/3rds less.  For the dogs in the same weight class, they could be purchasing bags of TO or EP twice as often as opposed to my box of granular.  Also, Abady does let one know the relationship between Animal Source proteins and the protein core.  A 30% protein feed with 92.4 of that animal source can be a far more potent feed than one with 42% protein and 50% of that grain, fruit or vegetable protein (IMO).  Therefore, one could argue in reality, each is getting exactly what they pay from a standpoint of strength of feed compared to costs.  These Granular formulas at 130 a box and 125 box are way out of my league, my needs are not high to justify the cost.
Most Abady feeders get along fine with Granulars in the middle of the back and below, not the high end feeds.

yeah, but you can get Eaglepack power pack, 30% protein, $40 for 40 pounds; you can get TO wild n natural, 36% protein, 33 pounds for $53; Abady is seriously over-priced.

 
You can also get SG Barking at the Moon (41% protein) 33lbs for about $50.

ORIGINAL: sooner

Actually the $130.99/35 lb is the State of the Art Maintenance & Stress and it's marketed for "all adult dogs or growth formula for puppies that will weigh less than 60lbs at one year of age".

The State of the Art High Stress & Competition Formula is actually cheaper, at $125.99/48 lb. It's the one you're thinking of, that's "to be used where maximum endurance and extreme physical effort are demanded".

 
Hey, you're pretty good with the line-up.  Thanks for the clarification.  I was aware there are a few with the name State of the Art  both at the high end of the scale, but I speak from memory about this stuff.  Again, I appreciate the clarification.