Abady Response To The Critics

I have a question. If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses? I'll admit that I don't know what the ingredients are in the Abady food since it's a huge secret for some ungodly reason but if chicken by-products are being used, why spend $130 for it when you can buy a bag of Purina product for about $20?

I don't know anyone that has even heard of that brand, and I know scores of people that are really into dogs from both t he shelter and the dog park I visited every day.

 
Most of the people that I know that are into dogs have heard of Abady but I'm dealing with people who show dogs and I think that he markets it more toward show/working dogs than he does toward pets.  I could be wrong but most of the people that I know who show have at least heard of it, the pet people haven't.  I've seen him advertise in point show catalogs but I have never seen him advertise somewhere that the ordinary pet owner would see.
 
I'm not trying to get people to use the food...if your dog(s) does well on what your feeding that's great.  All I'm trying to say it that we have all been treated with respect by Mr. Abady, he's been very helpful, his staff has been great and we love the food. 
 
Trust me....if I had these results from feeding another food I'd be doing just that...feeding another food.  I have tried a LOT of foods and nothing gave me the results that this food does. 
 
At this point I'm just happy that it's working for us. 

If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses?

Exactly. There is no difference.

How can the brands that claim to use all human-grade and/or organic ingredients cost so much less than a brand that is composed of by-products and corn?

ORIGINAL: Raven778944

If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses?

Exactly. There is no difference.

How can the brands that claim to use all human-grade and/or organic ingredients cost so much less than a brand that is composed of by-products and corn?

Because the manufacturers of the brands with the better ingredients are not trying to make as high a profit margin....

I have a question. If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses? I'll admit that I don't know what the ingredients are in the Abady food since it's a huge secret for some ungodly reason but if chicken by-products are being used, why spend $130 for it when you can buy a bag of Purina product for about $20?

 
Here are the ingredients of the Abady raw that I use:
 
Beef Lung, Beef Muscle Meat, Dressed Chicken, Beef Tripe, White Rice, Beef Meat & Bone Meal, Safflower Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Lard (Pork Fat), Beef Liver, Beef Fat, Potassium Chloride, Vitamin A Acetate, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Source of natural Vitamin E), Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Amino Acid Supplement, Niacinamide, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Cupric Oxide, Inositol, Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) Ergocalciferol (Vit. D 3), Potassium Iodide, Riboflavin, Vitamin K1 (Phytonadione), Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B 12 (Cyanocobalamin Concentrate)
 
I also use one of his granulars, a higher end one than Charlie uses (I think he may have posted those ingredients?) The one that I use does have chicken by products in it but it also has Chicken Meal as the first ingredient, fish meal and beef. 
 
Why do I choose to feed Abady instead of paying $20 for ProPlan?  1) ProPlan didn't agree with my dogs (tired both regular and the ProPlan Selects  2) I like it and the results I get from it  3) I can afford the extra it costs and feel that it's worth it....I'm honest.  If money was a huge issue I wouldn't feed this food but my dogs do well with it and I see a huge improvement so I do it. 
 
I like the fact that my dogs don't need dentals anymore, not feeding kibble really helped with that.  I like the fact that I don't need to supplement with this food.  I like the fact that my dogs have better muscle tone on this food.  I have changed nothing but their food so the huge difference I see has to be the food.
 
He doesn't use different by-products than anyone else does.  He does give reasons for using them like the fact that chicken feet are high in L-Aline.   From what I get he isn't trying to "hide" his ingredients but so many people are against by-products now that he seems to feel that he needs to explain why he uses them.  Also, he's an older guy with very much a pen and paper type company....I'm not sure he even has email.  He seems to like to either write a letter or make a phone call rather than do things over the internet.
 
Again....I'm not trying to get anyone to switch to the food or like Mr Abady....just telling you my experience with it. 
 
 

This comment was taken from a different forum, it was written by someone who used to feed Abady and picked it up directly from the factory:

If you feed his over priced meat. Then I want to tell you what I saw when he recieved a shipment of meat while I was there.It was mid summer , 95 degrees, a opened truck backs up, with a large number of rusted threw and threw steel 55 gallon drums filled with fly covered stinky heated from the days sun ,MEAT.Now I know some will say, well a wolf or a fox will eat dead animals filled with flys and maggots. I agree. But when I'm told he uses top quality beef and organs. (NOT).

Obviously I don't know if this is true, but it makes me wonder.

ORIGINAL: Raven778944

This comment was taken from a different forum, it was written by someone who used to feed Abady and picked it up directly from the factory:

If you feed his over priced meat. Then I want to tell you what I saw when he recieved a shipment of meat while I was there.It was mid summer , 95 degrees, a opened truck backs up, with a large number of rusted threw and threw steel 55 gallon drums filled with fly covered stinky heated from the days sun ,MEAT.Now I know some will say, well a wolf or a fox will eat dead animals filled with flys and maggots. I agree. But when I'm told he uses top quality beef and organs. (NOT).

Obviously I don't know if this is true, but it makes me wonder.

I would think that this scenario is  alot more possible from a no name company with limited distribution , versus a National  company that has been in business a long time, and is established in the dog food industry. 

One thing I learned during the dog food recalls--you can't be really sure of any company's claims and ingredient lits posted on bags, the web, anywhere.  Some claimed to use only home grown ingredients--but were recalled because of products from China being in the food.  China is no America.  Some didn't list gluten, but had to be recalled because they did contain gluten.  Others found listed ingredients were not longer used, not listed ingredents were used, at least one top company would not tell where their product was made  What crossed my mind here was that maybe it was not even made in this country, that it was made in some rat hole, that maybe folks would find out their ingrdident list was not what it was cracked up to be.  Many questioned why they would not tell where their food was made, others defended it due to "spies" finding out how their food was made, etc.Could it be they didn't want to see WHAT the food looked like when it arrived.  That is a new thought for me.
 
But at any rate, the best thing anyone can do for their dog is feed it a food that it does great on, make sure it gets proper vet care, always has fresh water, is groomed, has decent shelter if outside dog, and love, love, love it with all your heart.

I really came in late on this one, but I really believe that, if you are a dog food manufacturer, especially after the recent pet food recalls, you have an obligation to share your list of ingredients (and countries of origin of those ingredients, too, perhaps) with a potential customer, and if you want to make sure that they get the right information as to why you use what you use, you put it into a brochure or other marketing pack and send it off to them.  No matter what reason you think they are calling you for, you don't call them an a-hole and hang up.  It's called marketing and customer service. 

Obviously I don't know if this is true, but it makes me wonder.

 
It would make me wonder too if I hadn't gone there to see things for myself.  I saw nothing like that.  Two of my friends also went there and they did have meat come in while they were there (I saw canned food come in...not all that interesting).  The meat was in plastic, covered bins and went right into the factory to be processed.  They saw the meat when it was being dumped out of the containers and while it wasn't steaks that were coming out it certainly wasn't maggot filled meat.  They said it looked and smelled like fresh meat.
 
When I thaw out the raw I have never had any that looked or smelled questionable. 
 
If I thought for a second that things weren't done properly there I wouldn't feed this to my dogs no matter how well they did on it.
 
He has been in business for around 30 years so he must be doing something right.  I don't know a whole lot about manufacturing dog food but everything seemed to be in order there to me.  The town that he's in is horrible...certainly not what I pictured.  His plant is old, I'm not going to tell you it's a huge new facility that they have, it isn't.  However, none of us had any concerns with the quality of the ingredients or the way things were done there.
 
Outside of my dogs doing well on this food I also feel more comfortable right now using a mom and pop type of company.  Since the foods that I use are processed there, at his plant, I think that there is control over what goes into the food and where the ingredients come from.  Plus it's nice to know the people that are making my dogs food.  I like the fact that they all know me and I can call there and say it's Nickie and they know who I am, I'm never going to get the kind of personal service we get with another company.  When we were switching over they would call every couple of days to see how it was going and see if there were problems....they did that with my friends too.  I just don't understand why we are treated so well by them but some eople claim to have such problems. 

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

...  What's wrong with butternut squash? ...

 
I think mudpuppy it comes down to what fundamentals and beliefs one has concerning Raw.  When I think of Raw feeding I think of Marlin Perkins and Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.  When looking at the ingredients of many modern commercial Raw diets for some reason Betty Crocker comes to mind.... starting with the Butternut Squash and ending up with Blueberries.
 
I hope you have a chance to note the ingredients of Abady Raw Azuel was kind enough to post.  See my point?  No apple cider vinegar anywhere to be found.
 
You also mentioned and some others about Chicken By-Product meal as a concern.  Abady clearly states why he feels it is necessary in the articles.  The important highlights are in case you missed them are:  Chickens are slaughtered in the country for the human consumption market; CBPM nutrient profile is equal to that of meat muscle; CBPM from a cost standpoint is multiples less than meat muscle; For the same money, a manufacturer can get three times as much CBPM and therefore return three times as much than in quantity to the consumer (greatly bolstering the rations potency) where as other manufactures would call that profit margin. Abady would call it making the ration adequate buy taking advantage of quality proteins and nutrients available in the market place and delivering that in strength to the consumer.
 
People keep coming back to the most expensive box Abady sells as if that is the measuring stick.  That is a very select clientele I'm sure, but the vast majority of Abady feeders probably use Maintenance and Stress, Basic and Classic.  In fact, I think my next box will be a 35-pound box of Basic Maintenance.  I'm curious to see how those ingredients changed compared to the last box of Basic a few years back.  Basic back then boasted over 1200 cals per cup but was a tad heavy with the corn.  Corn is long gone now and I'm wondering what Basic Maintenance is putting out regards to cals per cup these days.

ORIGINAL: Raven778944

This comment was taken from a different forum, it was written by someone who used to feed Abady and picked it up directly from the factory:

If you feed his over priced meat. Then I want to tell you what I saw when he recieved a shipment of meat while I was there.It was mid summer , 95 degrees, a opened truck backs up, with a large number of rusted threw and threw steel 55 gallon drums filled with fly covered stinky heated from the days sun ,MEAT.Now I know some will say, well a wolf or a fox will eat dead animals filled with flys and maggots. I agree. But when I'm told he uses top quality beef and organs. (NOT).

Obviously I don't know if this is true, but it makes me wonder.

 
 
This thread is the Response To The Critics and Abady did address that in his response.  Frozen blocks or shopping directly off the kill floor in local slaughterhouses was part of the answer.

(quote)I don't have any smilers but I've known a few! I had a friend whose dog for some reason would do it every time he said, "Piggly Wiggly." She'd double herself in half like she was trying to face front and back at the same time, her tail would whirl in a circle (we call that Beater Tail), and she'd grin. (quote)
 
That is exactly what Sophie does but instead of her tail waggin her but wiggles.We call it her "beyonce" move[]

 

ORIGINAL: Raven778944

If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses?

Exactly. There is no difference.

How can the brands that claim to use all human-grade and/or organic ingredients cost so much less than a brand that is composed of by-products and corn?

 
 
 
Hey Raven, there is a difference in the CBPM than the rest, it is called 3 times as much.  No more corn Raven, long gone and dealt with in the Abady response.  I quote:
 
Today, corn has been genetically engineered and is the cause of many allergies.  As a result, corn has been replaced in the toy formula with white rice.  White rice is superior to brown rice because while allergic reactions to brown rice do occur because of its gluten content, this does not seem to be the case with white rice.
 
Corn is not only out of the toy formula as mentioned in the above quote, it is also gone from Classic and Maintenance and stress.  I assume it is also out of the Basic Maintenance and Bottom Line Maintenance.
 
NYC Petsupply is back up and the have what appears to be the entire lineup of Granular feeds.  There is no feed I can see at 135 for 35-pounds.
 
[linkhttp://nycpetsupply.com/home.php?cat=245]http://nycpetsupply.com/home.php?cat=245[/link]
 
Charlie
 

ORIGINAL: cc431

ORIGINAL: Raven778944

If he uses chicken by-products than what's the difference in the chicken by-products that he uses compared to the chicken by-products Purina uses?

Exactly. There is no difference.

How can the brands that claim to use all human-grade and/or organic ingredients cost so much less than a brand that is composed of by-products and corn?

 
Hey Raven, there is a difference in the CBPM than the rest, it is called 3 times as much.  No more corn Raven, long gone and dealt with in the Abady response.  I quote:

Today, corn has been genetically engineered and is the cause of many allergies.  As a result, corn has been replaced in the toy formula with white rice.  White rice is superior to brown rice because while allergic reactions to brown rice do occur because of its gluten content, this does not seem to be the case with white rice.
 
Corn is not only out of the toy formula as mentioned in the above quote, it is also gone from Classic and Maintenance and stress.  I assume it is also out of the Basic Maintenance and Bottom Line Maintenance.

NYC Petsupply is back up and the have what appears to be the entire lineup of Granular feeds.  There is no feed I can see at 135 for 35-pounds.

[linkhttp://nycpetsupply.com/home.php?cat=245]http://nycpetsupply.com/home.php?cat=245[/link]

Charlie

White rice is better than brown rice.....[&:]  Thats a new one....... What's next, Twinkies added as a supplement   []