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Posted : 4/28/2007 11:31:13 PM

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b No no, that pie chart is saying 74% of the rotein in the food is from poultry, not that the food is 74% poultry. Big difference. The food is 25% protein, and 74% of that is from poultry.

I understand but something doesn't seem right. And it is the standard 360 cals per cup that doesn't add up, not at 74% of the protein core? Seems like it should deliver more. Considering some chicken meal, and chicken fat down the line, I would say
it is close in being meat-based versus gluten based? I wouldn't put money on it. That pie-chart is suspect I think, something about that pie-chart.

chelsea_b

Posted : 4/29/2007 12:10:11 AM

Calories per cup means nothing. It's just the volume and physical density of the food. Look at calories per kg or lb. That's how you compare foods. If Food A has 350 calories per cup, and Food B has 500, you're not necessarily going to feed less BY WEIGHT of Food B. By volume, yes, obviously, but dog food isn't packaged by volume, now is it? Let's say your dog needs 1000 calories per day. You'd feed about 3 cups of Food A, or 2 cups of Food B. Let's say that a cup of Food A weighs 100 grams, and a cup of Food B weighs 150 grams. Either way you're feeding 300 grams of food.

toby dude

Posted : 4/29/2007 12:25:18 AM

Just a note in regards to Timberwolf Organics. Although they are not involved in any of the food recalls, this company will not comment on the origins of their ingredients. Many people have called to ask them, but they insist to stay hush-hush.

I wouldn't trust a company that won't inform its customers of such information..... Just my two cents.

glenmar

Posted : 4/29/2007 6:43:04 AM

ORIGINAL: PomMommy

For those of you who has Triumph food around them, it is good and safe to use, the ingridients are clear of all glutens - see for yourself - the link to their website - list of the ingridients ==>>
[linkhttp://www.triumphpet.com/dogs/triumph-cans/adult-guidelines.html]http://www.triumphpet.com/dogs/triumph-cans/adult-guidelines.html[/link]

I don't think anyone can SAFELY make this claim. Blue THOUGHT that they could, only to find that the subcontractor was playing with the patented formula for their own fiscal gain. Unless the food is actually manufacture on the companies own site in their own factories, the sad truth is that they don't know and can't claim to know for certain.

cc431

Posted : 4/29/2007 11:52:43 AM

ORIGINAL: chelsea_b Calories per cup means nothing. It's just the volume and physical density of the food. Look at calories per kg or lb. That's how you compare foods. If Food A has 350 calories per cup, and Food B has 500, you're not necessarily going to feed less BY WEIGHT of Food B. By volume, yes, obviously, but dog food isn't packaged by volume, now is it? Let's say your dog needs 1000 calories per day. You'd feed about 3 cups of Food A, or 2 cups of Food B. Let's say that a cup of Food A weighs 100 grams, and a cup of Food B weighs 150 grams. Either way you're feeding 300 grams of food.

Oh I get it now! Say a dog needs for cups 4 cups to get 1400 cals. Another food requires 2 cups to get 1400. So you have choices; a lot of poop or half that amount.

That pie chart is misleading. I'm am sticking to my guns on this one. The 74% chicken protein as depicted in the chart is misleading. The vegetable protein content and the chicken protein content are probably closer to even when considering moisture content in the chicken, in regards to the protein core of 25%.

chelsea_b

Posted : 4/29/2007 1:04:21 PM

That pie chart is misleading. I'm am sticking to my guns on this one. The 74% chicken protein as depicted in the chart is misleading. The vegetable protein content and the chicken protein content are probably closer to even when considering moisture content in the chicken, in regards to the protein core of 25%.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, nor defending the food (I wouldn't feed it for my own picky reasons, but Sooner has very limited options, and I totally understand why she would), but I have to try to explain this one more time. If you have 100 grams of this Firstmate food, and it is 25% protein, you have 25 grams of protein, right? The pie chart is saying that 74% of that 25 grams, or 18.5 grams, is from chicken. 24%, or 6 grams, is from vegetable matter, and 2%, or .5 gram, is from fish. That's the same whether the chicken was 70 or 5% water. I agree that the pie chart is a bit misleading, but they're not lying, and moisture content has nothing to do with how much of the protein is from meat or vegetables.

tony

Posted : 4/29/2007 2:30:21 PM

Is all kibble high heat injection cooked (I don't think I got that term quite right). Are there any kibbles that use dehydration or other processes instead?

Bil-jac is not.

DakotaSpirit

Posted : 4/29/2007 3:38:47 PM

I'm going to give Evanger's kibble a try. My dog seems to like the taste of it so we'll see how well he does on it.

spiritdogs

Posted : 4/29/2007 4:32:54 PM

Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul f

ORIGINAL: MissMandy

From what I understand, Wellness and Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul foods are both still okay as well...

Actually one of the Chicken Soup foods was recalled - check the list.

Chris Porch

Posted : 4/29/2007 9:21:29 PM

ORIGINAL: tobylittledude

Just a note in regards to Timberwolf Organics. Although they are not involved in any of the food recalls, this company will not comment on the origins of their ingredients. Many people have called to ask them, but they insist to stay hush-hush.

I wouldn't trust a company that won't inform its customers of such information..... Just my two cents.

Actually, we do provide the origin of our ingredients... all of them are sourced from the USA. It states that on the front page of the website.

Thanks!

Chris Porch
Customer Support
Timberwolf Organics, Inc.
407-802-7865

Shelties4me

Posted : 4/29/2007 9:40:11 PM

I think Pinnacle/Breeder's Choice is o.k.

I believe the Chicken Soup that was recalled was a canned food. I can't remember which ones. I went to their website to see if the dry food had been recalled and it has not....so far.

cc431

Posted : 4/29/2007 9:49:52 PM

ORIGINAL: cporch Actually, we do provide the origin of our ingredients... all of them are sourced from the USA. It states that on the front page of the website. Thanks!

What does that mean "all of them are sourced from the USA"? Is that suppose to mean all the ingredients are homegrown?
Well, before you answer consider the website indicates the lamb or lamb Meal is from New Zealand and the oats are from Scandinavia. Maybe the "source" is a phone call from the USA to place the order for these ingredients?

Anonymous

Posted : 4/29/2007 9:59:20 PM

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mollymoo

Posted : 4/29/2007 10:05:49 PM

cporch - I hope your company is on the up and up. I have been telling everyone to go with you guys because of all the recalls and they don`t know what dog food to buy that is safe. I hate to direct everyone to your company if you will get a recall in the days to come. Help me here. Tell me that you at timberwolf will not have a recall on any of your foods. PLEASE

sooner

Posted : 4/29/2007 10:13:33 PM

ORIGINAL: chmissgingerisfancy

I would feed any of these if I absolutely had to, and all of them are premium and non-affected by any recall:
Castor and Pollux
Merrick...my dogs love this stuff!
AvoDerm
Nature's Recipe

I think AvoDerm and Nature's Recipe are both sold at local petcos or petsmarts...maybe.

My Petco has removed all Castor & Pollux products from the shelves, and put the generic recall notices in their spots. I haven't yet found out why though.

I wouldn't feed Merrick EVER [sm=vomit03.gif] They have way too many QC issues, and I don't agree with their company stance on downed stock in pet food.

What foods are left?