A few details on the recall

The bad thing is that we are all at the mercy of the et food companies. We have to rely on the people who supply the ingredients to handle and properly take care of them to avoid potential problems. Then we have to rely on the people who take the ingredients and turn them into what we know as dog or cat food. We hope that they treat the product as if it was something they would feed their own pets without any hesitation. I hate to see dogs and cats getting sick from the foods. I always ask was there something that could have been done to absolutely avoid it?
 
Right now i wont feed any cans, just home cooked and dry. Last i heard, no reported cases had come in about nutro but they voluntarily recalled their cans that had the potential to be affected. A few articles that i saw said nutro was the first company to do that which i definitely applaud.
 
The bottom line here is that noone who lost his or her pets ever expected it to happen from getting tainted dog/cat food regardless of whether they fed a food that they knowingly knew was cheap or if they fed the most expensive premium brand. The most premium brand of pet food can have issues, get tainted, cause deaths,etc. I'm sure many felt they were doing what was best for their pets and they still lost them. Even the ones who knowingly fed the cheapest foods didnt expect their pets to die and they definitely didnt deserve it. Thats the worst part to me. The owners nor the pets deserved it, regardless of the brands that they chose to feed.
 
 

ORIGINAL: chewbecca

I'm not even PMSing! I know it's weird. I guess I'm just sick of the way people, who darn well KNOW that "giving food advice" in the way they do is just rude, try to justify being canine food fascists. craaaazy.

 
And being compared to a fascist is not rude?
 
Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle.
 
 
 
 

Even the ones who knowingly fed the cheapest foods didnt expect their pets to die and they definitely didnt deserve it. Thats the worst part to me. The owners nor the pets deserved it, regardless of the brands that they chose to feed.

agreed.
 
I'm having a hard time hearing the information over the secondary convo going on here. I know there are noses bent out of shape on both sides, and maybe it's time to let this "dead horse" go, too?

Worse still is the local pound is now running out of dog food because of the recall.  I now know 4 dogs whom have died this week as well.
 
This is totally unneccesary and I hope changes take place in the industry for the better. There has got to be a better way.

Your pound feeds all canned?

And being compared to a fascist is not rude?

 
My family and friends call me a "food nazi" all the time. About dog food and people food. It bothered me at first, but I don't care anymore. My dog and I will hopefully live long, healthy lives, and that's all that matters. []

ORIGINAL: miranadobe

Even the ones who knowingly fed the cheapest foods didnt expect their pets to die and they definitely didnt deserve it. Thats the worst part to me. The owners nor the pets deserved it, regardless of the brands that they chose to feed.

agreed.

I'm having a hard time hearing the information over the secondary convo going on here. I know there are noses bent out of shape on both sides, and maybe it's time to let this "dead horse" go, too?

Oh wait, there was supposed to be info in this thread--here I thought it was a dog food pissing contest[8|].

Thankfully we don't feed anything on the list.  It's scarey though.  Jack's breeder feeds Nutro--I hope Jack's sisters and mother are OK [].

This heat of the kitchen thing has been bugging me.
 
Anyone who has been here for more than the blink of an eye, KNOWS that I can make a kitchen hotter than hades in the blink of an eye.  I CAN take the heat, but often times there are members who can NOT, and they either stop posting, stop reading or just go away without the knowledge they needed.  And often they go away with the impression that this forum is a bunch of nut jobs.
 
I guess what it keeps coming back to for me is this....why should some poor innocent who has a question have to deal with the heat of the kitchen or leave it because we get over passionate about stuff that's important to US?
 
Nutro for example is something I don't feed.  Ron has wonderful results with it, but I'm enough of a snob that I've never tried it...and when I won a years supply, I picked the best of the line and donated it all to the shelter.
 
Some poor person wanders in who feeds Purina One and wonders if its affected by the recall, and they get blasted for being stupid, or cheap, or thinking more of themselves than their dog,  of having skewed values cuz they DARE to drink a bottle of water in Petsmart.....yeah, thats a warm welcome and one heck of a way to change their mindset.  And some of the stuff I wouldn't feed is EXPENSIVE......far more expensive than the excellent quality foods I do use.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Some poor person wanders in who feeds Purina One and wonders if its affected by the recall, and they get blasted for being stupid, or cheap, or thinking more of themselves than their dog,  of having skewed values cuz they DARE to drink a bottle of water in Petsmart.....yeah, thats a warm welcome and one heck of a way to change their mindset. 

Yep, that's what I'm saying.

I know that I've been guilty of being over zealous in the past.  I learned so much about nutrition and I just HAD to share it with the rest of the world, whether they wanted to hear it or not.  Sometimes I could beat folks bloody with info.  But, it didn't get me anywhere and it didn't change a single mind.
 
Judging by the emails and pm's that I get NOW, with a kinder/gentler nutrition posting attitude, I think the "new and improved" posting style is far more effective.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

I know that I've been guilty of being over zealous in the past.  I learned so much about nutrition and I just HAD to share it with the rest of the world, whether they wanted to hear it or not.  Sometimes I could beat folks bloody with info.  But, it didn't get me anywhere and it didn't change a single mind.

Judging by the emails and pm's that I get NOW, with a kinder/gentler nutrition posting attitude, I think the "new and improved" posting style is far more effective.

Agreed again, I've done the same thing before. This is a historic moment in history Glenda! I've agreed with you twice in a row. lol [] Anyway, yeah I've also had a great response by being nicer about food info.

[]I was actually thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to open and "old wounds"!![]
 
It's really kind of nice to get emails from new members that say "I know you don't agree with what I'm feeding, but you were the only one who was NICE about it, so what would you suggest?  Tell me WHY what I'm feeding isn't great...." etc.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

[]I was actually thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to open and "old wounds"!![]

Lol, well I just went ahead and ripped the scab off, but then I did put neosporin on it so it's okay! [][]

It's really kind of nice to get emails from new members that say "I know you don't agree with what I'm feeding, but you were the only one who was NICE about it, so what would you suggest?  Tell me WHY what I'm feeding isn't great...." etc.

It is nice. I don't get them here as much, but I do on another forum where I'm kind of in the minority of feeding holistic food.

If people want to continue to feed a non-premium food, that's THEIR business and they should not have to be subjected to YOUR judgment. That's ridiculous, Edie.
These people don't owe you an answer as to WHY they feed what they feed or do what they do.

I think THIS is the biggest statement made on any of the nutriontion threads in a long long time.   Not especially to whom this statement was directed at,,but to anyone who feels the need to keep trying to change peoples mind on what to feed their pet.  It is not someones right or obligation to tell every poster that comes here to ask a question about food, that they should not be feeding a particular food. If they ask about their food, tell them. If they mention their pet is having a problem and you think it might be the food that is causing it...tell them...in a respectful manner.
But why do some people keep feeling the need to grab up every poster who mentions feeding a brand of food that is less than premium, and tell them that they are doing wrong. Maybe they aren't!  Its just your opinion (and most of us here) that the food you are feeding is the best.   And we're not in agreement as to which food is best either.  I personally think Eagle Pack is the best...but I have been boo-boo'd around this forum more than once about it over the past few years.  Why, because everyone is feeding what they think is best for their own dog.  
Every pet food company out there could be subject to a recall at one time or another.  Any one of them could have gotten a hold of a bad batch of an ingredient. Every human food company is no different.   Recently, look at the peanut butter, Oscar Meyer/Louis Rich Chicken, spinach, lettuce, etc etc etc.   We all have to hope and pray our pet food company doesn't have these problems.  I use Eagle Pack..I like them because they are a small company and they produce their own food.  BUT,,,do they grow their own chickens..pigs,,fish,,ducks,, wheat, barley, blueberries,,,cranberries..etc etc etc???    No, of course not. Neither do home cookers.   We are all at the mercy of our suppliers.
This whole thing is such a shame...but it happens. Thank God they got the bad pkgs out of the stores,,,hopefully soon enough to not affect too many pets.  I have a few friends who feed some of the recalled food and so far they are fine..hopefully that stays that way. I work at a vet and so far we have had no clients bringing in sick pets that have eaten that food.  Hopefully that stays that way also.
Why we are bickering over cheap food vs premium food at a time like this is beyond me!

Why, because everyone is feeding what they think is best for their own dog.

 
In the majority of cases, though, this isn't true. If your dog really does vomit from being fed ten different super-premium foods, and the only thing the dog can keep down is science diet, yes, feed it. But most people pick a food because the vet sells it, or it has nice ads on TV, or the Nutro rep at Petsmart is really pushy, or it's the cheapest thing on the shelf at the grocery store.  These are people whose dogs can benefit from educating them.