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A few details on the recall

Posted : 3/18/2007 2:43:11 PM

Ok, so just to clear a few things up (since I have been reading people concerned with the dry foods of the affected brands). It is my understanding that the recall only effects the wet foods with "chunks." This is because Menu Pet foods changed suppliers of the ingredient wheat gluten during December through now which is what the reported cases have been linked to. The reason it is only the "chunk style" foods is because wheat gluten is the only ingredient that can bind the food together to form the chunks. Therefore, if you have any of the other types of cans (patte style), there shouldn't be any room for concern.

Aside from this, it just makes me SO mad that this is happening over some crappy ingredients they purchased just to save a buck (which is what I have heard is the reason behind the supplier change). *sigh* I must admit it is kind of turning me away from supporting the larger companies as being more reliable (although I don't believe it was their call to change suppliers, etc). Angry

Edited to add a site w/ a great layout of the recalled foods:
[linkhttp://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall.htm]http://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall.htm[/link]

Ullr

Posted : 3/18/2007 2:53:08 PM

What I also find sad is that these are all foods purchased by pet owners who also wish to save a buck...

Regardless if it is only wet food with chunks, it is better to be safe than sorry. This SHOULD be yet another reason to not buy from- ever again- any of these manufacturers. No excuses...[>:]

papillon806

Posted : 3/18/2007 2:55:14 PM

ORIGINAL: Ullr

What I also find sad is that these are all foods purchased by pet owners who also wish to save a buck...

Regardless if it is only wet food with chunks, it is better to be safe than sorry. This SHOULD be yet another reason to not buy from- ever again- any of these manufacturers. No excuses...[>:]

That is rather offensive. Not everyone purchases these foods because they don't care and want to save a buck...they just simply don't know any better. Advertising shows them the foods are healthy...who's fault is that?

Cheryl

Posted : 3/18/2007 3:20:11 PM

IMO, Nutro Natural Choice is not a bad food and after buying and trying other "premium" foods (Natural Balance, ie.) for my picky pup, I finally found something she liked. I didn't buy it to save a buck-and it's not fair to lump all pet owners that buy these foods as cheap.

jenhuedepohl

Posted : 3/18/2007 3:51:54 PM

I can't bring myself to condemn the whole company because of one issue. Nobody has even figured out yet what *exactly* is causing the problem - or even the exact health problems that are being reported! The only thing known so far is that the timing of problems coincides with the use of a new supplier. If they cannot figure out what the issue is, it's kind of hard for them to prevent it. I'd need more info before I could accuse them of being careless or negligent. The exact same thing could haappen to Wellness, or Innova or any other food manufactureer out there - human OR pet.

Sometimes things happen that are beyond our control and we can only judge them on how they resolve the situation.

willowchow

Posted : 3/18/2007 3:54:40 PM

Yeah, I don't use any of the foods. But, I think the companies have all been really responsible and caring voluntarily recalling everything right away. That says something, no?

Margaret Tyler

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:08:11 PM

ORIGINAL: Ullr

What I also find sad is that these are all foods purchased by pet owners who also wish to save a buck...

Regardless if it is only wet food with chunks, it is better to be safe than sorry. This SHOULD be yet another reason to not buy from- ever again- any of these manufacturers. No excuses...[>:]

Nutro was included in the recall, which is a premium food and not a food people purchase to save a buck.

On the other hand the canned food which represents 65% of all canned cat food sales, Friskies, was not included in the recall and is a food people buy to save a buck.

Ullr

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:11:03 PM

ORIGINAL: papillon806

ORIGINAL: Ullr

What I also find sad is that these are all foods purchased by pet owners who also wish to save a buck...

Regardless if it is only wet food with chunks, it is better to be safe than sorry. This SHOULD be yet another reason to not buy from- ever again- any of these manufacturers. No excuses...[>:]

That is rather offensive. Not everyone purchases these foods because they don't care and want to save a buck...they just simply don't know any better. Advertising shows them the foods are healthy...who's fault is that?

I never said they didn't care. I find your ability to take my post out of context rather offensive.

Yes, not only are these foods purchased by many that do not know, or choose not to know, but these are all common foods that are purchased, BY THOSE IN THE KNOW, that wish to save a buck. I am just saddened by everyone who have lost pets to this.

If one of your children or friends' children died from a bad batch of Gerber food, would you still continue to feed your children other Gerber products, regardless of the facility where it came from? My dogs ARE my children, and I react to scenarios like this with no difference.

To me, it seems only fair to boycott these brands involved, any brand, regardless if they are so-called 'premium' or not. They need to understand the ramifications of loosely-controlled standards. The only way to voice our disdain is to hit them where it counts: in the pocketbook.

chewbecca

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:17:45 PM

Oh lordy. I can see where this thread is going to go.

Purina, anyone?

Ullr

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:18:28 PM

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

ORIGINAL: Ullr

What I also find sad is that these are all foods purchased by pet owners who also wish to save a buck...

Regardless if it is only wet food with chunks, it is better to be safe than sorry. This SHOULD be yet another reason to not buy from- ever again- any of these manufacturers. No excuses...[>:]

Nutro was included in the recall, which is a premium food and not a food people purchase to save a buck.

On the other hand the canned food which represents 65% of all canned cat food sales, Friskies, was not included in the recall and is a food people buy to save a buck.

Any brand that can be purchased at PetSmartCoWhatever is not a 'premium' brand. Nutro is not a premium brand- more like a mid-grade. Unfortunately, many "Indy" shops that are not in the know, sell it as a premium. Start here: [linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101[/link]. Get your bag of Nutro and go through the list. If you live in an area where good food is inaccessible, then have it shipped to you. It is well worth the cost.

The bottom line is that we all want to feed our pets the best. Just because your dog food is more expensive does not mean it is premium, either.

sooner

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:38:11 PM

ORIGINAL: Ullr

Any brand that can be purchased at PetSmartCoWhatever is not a 'premium' brand. Nutro is not a premium brand- more like a mid-grade. Unfortunately, many "Indy" shops that are not in the know, sell it as a premium. Start here: [linkhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101]http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=labelinfo101[/link]. Get your bag of Nutro and go through the list. If you live in an area where good food is inaccessible, then have it shipped to you. It is well worth the cost.

The bottom line is that we all want to feed our pets the best. Just because your dog food is more expensive does not mean it is premium, either.

Actually several premium brands are available at Petsmart/Petco. Natural Balance, Solid Gold, Eagle Pack, Castor & Pollux, and Blue Buffalo are some that come to mind.

Ullr, you are preaching to the choir here. We're all quite familiar with the dog food project. But we also have a further understanding that nothing is absolute. There are exceptions to every 'rule' and standards and perceptions are constantly evolving. Even Mordanna's opinions have changed quite a bit recently.

papillon806

Posted : 3/18/2007 4:59:39 PM

Yes, not only are these foods purchased by many that do not know, or choose not to know, but these are all common foods that are purchased, BY THOSE IN THE KNOW, that wish to save a buck

Interesting...you didn't say that specifically in your statement.....how am I supposed to read your mind?

Bobsk8

Posted : 3/18/2007 5:09:39 PM

ORIGINAL: papillon806

Ok, so just to clear a few things up (since I have been reading people concerned with the dry foods of the affected brands). It is my understanding that the recall only effects the wet foods with "chunks." This is because Menu Pet foods changed suppliers of the ingredient wheat gluten during December through now which is what the reported cases have been linked to. The reason it is only the "chunk style" foods is because wheat gluten is the only ingredient that can bind the food together to form the chunks. Therefore, if you have any of the other types of cans (patte style), there shouldn't be any room for concern.

Aside from this, it just makes me SO mad that this is happening over some crappy ingredients they purchased just to save a buck (which is what I have heard is the reason behind the supplier change). *sigh* I must admit it is kind of turning me away from supporting the larger companies as being more reliable (although I don't believe it was their call to change suppliers, etc). [:@]

Edited to add a site w/ a great layout of the recalled foods:
[linkhttp://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall.htm]http://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall.htm[/link]

Kind of turning you away from the big companies because you thought they were reliable? [&:] You definetly can rely on the big companies to put cheap and worthless ingredients in their products to increase their bottom line. The health of a pet eating this junk is an afterthought. That you can rely on....

papillon806

Posted : 3/18/2007 7:11:00 PM

Yes, that is what I thought....it differs from your opinion...is that a problem?

Ullr

Posted : 3/18/2007 7:13:39 PM

ORIGINAL: papillon806

Yes, not only are these foods purchased by many that do not know, or choose not to know, but these are all common foods that are purchased, BY THOSE IN THE KNOW, that wish to save a buck

Interesting...you didn't say that specifically in your statement.....how am I supposed to read your mind?

Apparently by putting false words and assumptions into my original text? [8|]

Everybody is a little heated because of the recent, unnecessary, totally preventable deaths relevant to the recall, including myself.

Preaching to the choir, Sooner? There are many people browsing these forums who are trying to learn. Just because you may have an idea doesn't mean the next person won't. Food for thought.

BTW, out west (CO, UT, NM, WY) , NONE of those premium brands are sold at Petsmart or PetCo. And until they stop selling rare birds, they will never see any of my $ anyhow.