I bought--EEK--Iams

I got my info about unregulated "meat" and 4D animals from The Dog Food Project. If you want to learn more about "Mordanna"/Sabine's credentials, her bio is on her site: [linkhttp://www.betterdogcare.com/about.html]http://www.betterdogcare.com/about.html[/link] It states that she was educated in animal nutrition, physiology, and disease, and has a certification in animal care.

Shew,,,I'm confused, is this not Lillian? Some of the pictures sure look like the old Lillian from Idog before she left us!
I know I don't question that any of the information WAS true,,,but I would love to see current information about all of this information.  It would be like slitting their own throats for companies to not "clean up their act" after all of this information hit the Internet years ago.

Yes, it's Lilian. Her real name is Sabine, and her user name on other sites is Mordanna. I don't know where "Lilian" came from or went, but it's her.

Correct... in "Mordanna's" profile on her forums it says that she also goes by Sabine (real name) and Lilian.

She has come a long way since our old Idog days! Nutrition was always her passion!
She had changed a lot of her thinking along the way also. Thats a good thing.

This is the Orijen senior they love it.

That's Orijen senior? Wow that's impressive! I wonder if my dog food store has it. What's the price like? I use Innova BTW.
Paula

I pay 28 for the 20lb bag I think, that is canadian though.

As for cat food, we lost our ca

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Unless a dog is allergic to say beef or pork, I don't see what difference it m akes what kind of "meat broth" it is.  Heck that j ust means it is the water from boiled meat.  What difference would it make if it was chicken heads and feet  or beef noses and ears etc, that were boiled.  I am quite sure the  nutirtion part of the "meats" will be in the broth. It isn't like the "mystery meat" is the slimey creature from the black lagoon or one of those martians in War Of The Worlds.  It is part of a cow, a hog, a chicken a lamb, something.  And even if it were gopher or possem broth, that would not bother me at all--dogs eat such things in the wild. 

I may be wrong but i suspect that sometimes stuff as listed as by-product because customers would gag at "chicken guts" . or "Cow udders" or " Pig Colons.  And as far as i am concerned, every one this is fine fro my dogs.

You want to know what kind of "meat" they are most likely using - horse meat - comming from a rendering plant.  Of course, it could also be goat meat or deer meat that's recently been hit by a car.  They get this meat from rendering plants.  Rendering plants get their meat from horse owners or goat owners  that  lost their  dear pets, in which case you don't know what kind of medication that horse/ goat was given or if that horse/goat was euthanized.  Rendering plants also get their horse meat from slaughter auctions.  Slaughter auctions are ways for horse owners to get money for their unusable horses (aggresive horses, sick horses, dying horses).  I've been to slaughter auctions.  I know that the aggressive horses are druged to calm them down, then sent for slaughter with that same drug in their system.  I know that most of the horse at slaughter auctions belonged to the amish, in which case the horse is full of parasites.  Yummm.

What is it with this forum lately?  Why is everyone pro-crap.  That's fine that you just fed this once or twice or just as an afternoon snack.  Fine.  I do that too.  But, it bothers me when vets, or soon to be vets, come on here and convince people to feed worm filled, drug filled, horse meat. 

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

ORIGINAL: dyan

There was a list of dog food with pentobarbital in it, I suppose we could figure out which food has it in easy enough and avoid it.  I also wonder (and wish I knew) if any of those foods have been changed so that they no longer have it.
While pentobarbital is pentobarbital,,,,,,it was somehow worse when everyone was going around talking euthanized pets and road kill in pet food. THAT is what I don't believe.

Pentobarbitol was found in foods over 10 years ago... they did the study again and found pentobarbitol in 3 foods instead of 40. Its no longer an issue. Euthanized pets are NOT found in pet foods.

[linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm[/link]

[linkhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14719710&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_DocSum]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14719710&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_DocSum[/link]

Not euthanized pets, but euthanized horses can be used.  It is not illegal to used euthanized pets, but all food companies choose not to use euthed pets in their food, but many use euthanized horses.

There doesn't have to be a rendering plant every 50 miles. Hereford Bi-Products, which is owned by Merrick Pet Foods, is a dead stock removal company based in Hereford, TX and they have a rendering plant at the same location. Hereford Bi-Products picks up dead stock for use in pet foods all over Texas and Oklahoma

 
Does this mean merrick uses the 4D meat in their food.  it seems to indicate so   Seems i read one another thread that their plant food factory contains a rendering plant.  I thought merrick wa suppose to get a great food excpet for occasional staples, etc in it.  (I once found a worm in a bottle of pepsi YUK.)

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo
What is it with this forum lately?  Why is everyone pro-crap.  That's fine that you just fed this once or twice or just as an afternoon snack.  Fine.  I do that too.  But, it bothers me when vets, or soon to be vets, come on here and convince people to feed worm filled, drug filled, horse meat. 

Agree completely. Also a lot of people here are getting too wrapped up in the ingredients list. Without weights, there's no way to tell what the make up of the food actually is. Beyond that, there's very little way of telling what quality of ingredients are actually used. So yes, often times it does come down to company name and how much you trust that company. I personally put more trust in companies that earn their bread through making and selling pet food, than companies who own pet food divisions to eek out extra cash from byproducts left over after they've made people food.

If you want to rationalize feeding something like Dog Chow, because you can pay $15 and get 40 pounds, then that's your prerogative. I would think most people would realize through common sense that $15 doesn't get you a very quality 40 pounds of anything other than lawn fertilizer.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Does this mean merrick uses the 4D meat in their food.  it seems to indicate so   Seems i read one another thread that their plant food factory contains a rendering plant.  I thought merrick wa suppose to get a great food excpet for occasional staples, etc in it.  (I once found a worm in a bottle of pepsi YUK.)

They produce other, lower priced brands as well. Their Beef 'n More has beef, beef tallow, and bone meal - those are probably from the cows they pick up.

Completely and absolutely OT -
 
Long time, no see, Schlep. How are you and the family and your gorgeous Golden doing?
 

Not euthanized pets, but euthanized horses can be used.  It is not illegal to used euthanized pets, but all food companies choose not to use euthed pets in their food, but many use euthanized horses.

Your right in that it doesn't make a difference which animal is euthanized (except dogs in my dog food just sounds so much worse) but the statement is that there was a long list of food with pentobarbital and now there is not.  That is important,,,when that list came out many years ago, it had more companies/formulas and now they are improving that. It would be a very stupid company to slit their own throat by not taking it out of their food.

heh... I wouldn't be so sure... I always wondered where the venison meal came from that all the popular foods are using. Elk is farmed pretty regularly, and bison too, but not venison, at least not anywhere I've been. Anyone want to grab the number off their bag and ask if the venison is farm raised or not?? The fact that it could be roadkill really never occured to me...

Eek, I suggested the venison and pea IVD formula for an allergy cat today... I wonder where they get their venison from too... I wish all the ingredients and quality controls were more obvious... I mean, the only human food you have to wonder about it hot dogs...

 
  On our way to one of the lakes we fish, we pass by a farm that has deer in a fenced area; I don't think they're pets.[]  There is way too many venison products on the market to be supported by using road kill, and as chelsea says, venison can mean more than deer.