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I bought--EEK--Iams

Posted : 2/9/2007 1:46:02 PM

last night on my way home from the gambling boat at 1:00 and I decided to stop at the all night Walmart to get some milk so i wouldn't have to go first thing this morning, and was also out of fish oil caps for the dogs. And I didn't have any mashed potatoes made up for Buck's thyroid pills nor any canned food (i put their sups in "canned food meatnballs" or mashed potatoes.

Well, I just grabbed a can of Iams lamb and rice. have never feed iams. Anyway this morning I got curious and read the ingredients--which was hard to do
with such small printing on the gree label. So i went to their site and found the lamb and rice canned and copied the stuff in it. I know many here don't care for that fish perservative, but it doesn't bother me imn the least. So, outside of the preservative, tear it apart and tell me what all is wrong with this. I know many of you like to rip apart the ingredient list of many of the foods, so start ripping.

Calories
Nutrient per 13.2 oz can: 423.5 kcal

Ingredients
Meat Broth, Lamb, Ocean Fish, Lamb By-Products, Lamb Liver, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Rice, Corn Oil, Dried Beet Pulp (Sugar Removed), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Guar Gum, Salt, Fish Oil (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Potassium Chloride, DL-Methionine, Caramel, Brewers Dried Yeast, Flax Meal, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of vitamin B6), Riboflavin Supplement (Source of vitamin B2), Folic Acid, Biotin], Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite], Choline Chloride, Tricalcium Phosphate

Guaranteed Analysis

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Nutrient
(percent)

Crude Protein not less than
9.0%

Crude Fat not less than
6.0%

Crude Fiber not more than
1.00%

Moisture not more than
78.0%

Omega-6 Fatty Acids not less than
0.80 %*

Omega-3 Fatty Acids not less than
0.10 %*
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
Iams Lamb & Rice Entrée Premium Dog Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles for Maintenance.

paulaedwina

Posted : 2/9/2007 1:54:18 PM

Meat Broth, Lamb, Ocean Fish, Lamb By-Products, Lamb Liver, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Rice, Corn Oil, Dried Beet Pulp (Sugar Removed), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Guar Gum, Salt, Fish Oil (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Potassium Chloride, DL-Methionine, Caramel, Brewers Dried Yeast, Flax Meal, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of vitamin B6), Riboflavin Supplement (Source of vitamin B2), Folic Acid, Biotin], Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite], Choline Chloride, Tricalcium Phosphate

Well I could do without the lamb by product, the beet pulp and the salt, and would prefer real egg to dried egg product, but all in all I've seen considerably worse. Were I in your position and looking for a vehicle to deliver meds in I would have considered that. I've had to pick up canned cat food in the store before and discovered that sometimes the best product is the generic store brand - for canned cat food at least. go figure.

Paula

Luvntzus

Posted : 2/9/2007 1:56:48 PM

I have a problem with the first ingredient- "meat" broth. [&:] I also won't feed a food with barley because it's a common allergen and similar to wheat.

jones

Posted : 2/9/2007 1:57:13 PM

Well, putting aside the fish preservatives, I'd have to say I'm not crazy about the "meat" broth (what meat?), extra salt, or corn oil.

sandra_slayton

Posted : 2/9/2007 2:00:13 PM

By products doesn't bother me at all either.

As for cat food, we lost our cat last Srping--she was an out door cat and 17 years old, a very special, unusual cat who stayed in our yard, loved our grandkids and didnt' m ind being carried by her head, upside down, etc by the little ones--would just be purring away.

She purina cat chow with some fresh or canned food every day. Anway, I fed her so much fresh baked fish--this incluces speckled sea trout, flounder, snapper, etc, that if I didn't have the real thing and tried to feed her canned cat food that said it was fish--no matter the brand--she wouldn't touch it. She would eat the other canned--chicken, liver, etc, but not any that said it was fish. Pippi was one spoiled little girl.

jenhuedepohl

Posted : 2/9/2007 2:08:35 PM

Oh no! I can't believe you fed that! Get her to the vet now! *I'm KIDDING!*

I just compared those Iams ingredients to the ingredients on the little can of tuna salad mix and crackers I just scarfed at my desk for lunch today. Trust me, your dog is eating better than me! Do the best you can, as often as you can. If your doggy get a little junk food every now and then, well good for him. What's the point of adding all those extra years to our pet's lives if they don't get to use them to enjoy a few indulgances occasionally.

Cita

Posted : 2/9/2007 2:44:44 PM

What's the point of adding all those extra years to our pet's lives if they don't get to use them to enjoy a few indulgances occasionally.

I feel the same way! Now pass the Cheetos...

In all seriousness, from my limited knowledge of dog foods it seems that having any "broth" as a first ingredient is probably a nice presentational ploy it make it look like more meats are listed first. Since the whole listed by weight thing, and broth is mostly water... and yes, it'd be nice to know what kind of meat. But all things considered, it doesn't seem super deadly to me!

sandra_slayton

Posted : 2/9/2007 3:26:10 PM

Just got back from grocery store and while there I checked out some cans of dog food and on every one a liquid (water sufficent for processing) was listed first. I assume it takes a lot of water to make it. I do remember when i made my youngest son's food in the blender it took a lot of water. his first blended meal, at just days past 5 months was quail, mashed potatos and green peas--and a lot o f water for blending. He never ate another jar of baby food.

Anyway, it seems to me that meat broth would be better than just plain water. As of this moment I have a pot of chicken livers and a can of unsalted m ixed veggies cooking for the dogs supper. I am out of the chicken stew nd they had salmomn last night, and i will start the stew tonight, but they needed something for tonight.

Luvntzus

Posted : 2/9/2007 3:45:24 PM

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Just got back from grocery store and while there I checked out some cans of dog food and on every one a liquid (water sufficent for processing) was listed first. I assume it takes a lot of water to make it. I do remember when i made my youngest son's food in the blender it took a lot of water. his first blended meal, at just days past 5 months was quail, mashed potatos and green peas--and a lot o f water for blending. He never ate another jar of baby food.

Anyway, it seems to me that meat broth would be better than just plain water. As of this moment I have a pot of chicken livers and a can of unsalted m ixed veggies cooking for the dogs supper. I am out of the chicken stew nd they had salmomn last night, and i will start the stew tonight, but they needed something for tonight.

Well, yeah, the brands at the grocery store are going to have water as the first ingredient. I don't think "meat" broth is a good thing because it's a mystery ingredient. And yes canned foods have more moisture, but I wouldn't pay for a food that had water or broth as the first ingredient! Here are some of the better brands with the ingredients:

California Natural Chicken & Rice
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Ground Brown Rice, Natural Flavors, Flaxseed, Guar Gum, Sunflower Oil, Seaweed Extract, Taurine, Vitamins/Minerals

Natural Balance Chicken Formula
Chicken, chicken broth, carrots, oat bran, brown rice, potatoes, canola oil, guar gum, potassium chloride, lecithin, brewers yeast, natural hickory smoke flavor, dried kelp, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate, parsley, carrageenan, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron amino acid chelate, ferrous sulfate, zinc amino acid chelate, yucca schidigera extract, sodium selenite, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, copper amino acid chelate, manganese amino acid chelate, vitamin B-12 supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, D-activated animal sterol (source of vitamin D3), ethylenediamine dihydriodide.

Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul
Chicken, turkey, chicken broth, duck, salmon, chicken liver, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, oatmeal, carrots, peas, potatoes, barley, egg product, guar gum, flaxseed, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, flaxseed meal, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, ascorbic acid, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, thiamin mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, and sodium selenite.

Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken
Chicken, chicken broth, chicken liver, ocean fish, oat bran, carrots, peas, potatoes, dried egg product, flaxseed, guar gum, brewers dried yeast, salt, canola oil, cranberry powder, dried kelp, lecithin, yucca schidigera extract, vitamins and minerals.

sooner

Posted : 2/9/2007 3:47:39 PM

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

Just got back from grocery store and while there I checked out some cans of dog food and on every one a liquid (water sufficent for processing) was listed first. I assume it takes a lot of water to make it.

Anyway, it seems to me that meat broth would be better than just plain water.

But on the non-grocery store brands, meat is listed first, and they don't use water, they use specific broths - chicken, beef or lamb, or whatever type they're using, but it isn't 'meat'.

ETA: Luvntzus beat me to it [

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sandra_slayton

Posted : 2/9/2007 4:18:16 PM

Unless a dog is allergic to say beef or pork, I don't see what difference it m akes what kind of "meat broth" it is. Heck that j ust means it is the water from boiled meat. What difference would it make if it was chicken heads and feet or beef noses and ears etc, that were boiled. I am quite sure the nutirtion part of the "meats" will be in the broth. It isn't like the "mystery meat" is the slimey creature from the black lagoon or one of those martians in War Of The Worlds. It is part of a cow, a hog, a chicken a lamb, something. And even if it were gopher or possem broth, that would not bother me at all--dogs eat such things in the wild.

I may be wrong but i suspect that sometimes stuff as listed as by-product because customers would gag at "chicken guts" . or "Cow udders" or " Pig Colons. And as far as i am concerned, every one this is fine fro my dogs.

Luvntzus

Posted : 2/9/2007 4:33:05 PM

What's your point Sandra? If you want to feed Iams then feed it. I don't understand why this post was started other than to stir up a little controversy. [&:]

sooner

Posted : 2/9/2007 4:39:40 PM

Sandra, why did you start this and tell people to pick it apart if you are just going to defend it at every turn? Were you just trying to start something? There's an internet word for stuff like that...

ETA: Luvn beat me to it again! I really need to stop trying to work while typing posts [8D]

Luvntzus

Posted : 2/9/2007 4:52:03 PM

Lol Sooner! We're thinking alike today! [

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ottoluv

Posted : 2/9/2007 6:32:23 PM

I also won't feed a food with barley because it's a common allergen and similar to wheat.

I keep seeing this posted, beef/dairy/chicken are the most common food allergens in dogs (much more common then soy/wheat/corn). You tend to see more allergies to things that are more often found in food, it's not because they are more allergy provoking, but because there is more exposure. I don't really understand the reasoning behind avoiding an ingredient becuase it sometimes causes allergies. If that's really the argument, then why not avoid beef/dairy/chicken? Just doesn't seem to jive with the pathophysiology of food allergies.