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ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

Not euthanized pets, but euthanized horses can be used.  It is not illegal to used euthanized pets, but all food companies choose not to use euthed pets in their food, but many use euthanized horses.

Did you read the abstract???

Results of PCR analysis by use of primers specific for bovine, swine, sheep and goat, or horse mtDNA revealed amplicons specific for bovine or swine mtDNA only in 27 of the 31 samples. Analysis of the remaining 4 samples failed to yield amplicons for any mammalian mtDNA.

They didn't find horse DNA either... which means... no horse if the food doesn't say so...

Horse meat is sold for megabucks overseas. Why would they want to put it in pet foods?

The euthanized horses from our clinic were sent to a local zoo for bear and mountain lion food. There was not enough euthanasia solution in the meat to be considered harmful. The internal organs were thrown away because the chemicals were localized to those specific body parts.

I don't know anything about venison, if moose and elk and even antelope are included, but  one of the big gripes about "poultry" is  it isn't specific.  . Now fowl could include just anything that flies, but poultry is only chicken and turkey, so far as i have been able to find out...leastwise in my dictionary And if folks are worried about what "poultry" could be, would not the same apply to venison.  They would not know if they were getting deer, elk, moose,etc.

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1: Am J Vet Res. 2004 Jan;65(1):99-103. Links
Development of a polymerase chain reaction-based method to identify species-specific components in dog food.

Myers MJ,
Farrell DE,
Heller DN,
Yancy HF.
Division of Animal Research, Office of Research, Center for Veterinary Medicine, Food and Drug Administration, 8401 Muirkirk Rd, Laurel, MD 20708, USA.
OBJECTIVES: To determine whether there is a relationship between species-specific mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), especially canine and feline mtDNA, and detectable amounts of pentobarbital in previously analyzed dog food samples. SAMPLE POPULATION: 31 dog food samples previously analyzed for pentobarbital (limit of detection, 1 microg/kg). PROCEDURE: Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) analysis was performed on dog food samples by use of PCR primers specific for either canine, feline, equine, bovine, porcine, ovine, or poultry mtDNA. RESULTS: PCR amplicons specific for feline or canine mtDNA at a 0.007% (70 microg/g [wt/wt basis]) or 0.0007% (7 microg/g) level, respectively, were not found in the 31 dog food samples. Most of the 31 dog food samples had a PCR amplicon on PCR analysis when a PCR primer set capable of simultaneously detecting mtDNA of cows, pigs, sheep, goats, deer, elk, and horses was used. Results of PCR analysis by use of primers specific for bovine, swine, sheep and goat, or horse mtDNA revealed amplicons specific for bovine or swine mtDNA only in 27 of the 31 samples. Analysis of the remaining 4 samples failed to yield amplicons for any mammalian mtDNA. Pentobarbital was detected in 2 of these 4 samples. Results of PCR analysis correlated with the stated ingredient list for most, but not all samples. CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Because canine and feline mtDNA were not found in a set of retail dog food samples, these results indicate that the source of pentobarbital in dog food is something other than proteins from rendered pet remains.
PMID: 14719710 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Here is the abstract, I was just thinking the same thing misskiwi. I guess some of these old stories die hard, even with good evidence to the contrary.

Here is the abstract, I was just thinking the same thing misskiwi. I guess some of these old stories die hard, even with good evidence to the contrary.

And I think that is for a reason.  Dog food companies especially use those old facts to sell their products.   They may or may not know the truth,,,but use it for their own advertising.  Its an advertising ploy and  its no different than some ingredients found in dog foods. Some companies trying to convince us that their food is better than another because of an ingredient or two.
Its funny how you can find link after link about the pentobarbital in dog food,, but you can't find the current statistics without really searching.

ORIGINAL: ron2
Completely and absolutely OT -

Long time, no see, Schlep. How are you and the family and your gorgeous Golden doing?

Hey Ron. Link and I are doing well. Still working through school and working on growing the business. Goal right now is to scrape up enough cash to open up a store in the Richardson area, but we'll see. You?

Lost my job and found another one, though it's like starting over again. No one knows me and assumes that I know less than nothing. Showed my license a few times, which just ticks people off. People telling a tall tale every time they open their mouth. Standard fare. Other times, I am privately amused at making journeyman pay for someone to talk to me as if I were a green helper.
 
The hard part is the drive. My current assignment is off of 183 and Amon Carter Blvd., approximately a few miles south of DFW Int. Airport. It's 68 miles and 3 counties from house to work. Though it is technically a Ft. Worth address, it is really at the edge of Irving and almost Arlington. The next big exit after that is 360.
 

ORIGINAL: Misskiwi67

ORIGINAL: jojo the pogo

Not euthanized pets, but euthanized horses can be used.  It is not illegal to used euthanized pets, but all food companies choose not to use euthed pets in their food, but many use euthanized horses.

Did you read the abstract???

Results of PCR analysis by use of primers specific for bovine, swine, sheep and goat, or horse mtDNA revealed amplicons specific for bovine or swine mtDNA only in 27 of the 31 samples. Analysis of the remaining 4 samples failed to yield amplicons for any mammalian mtDNA.

They didn't find horse DNA either... which means... no horse if the food doesn't say so...

Horse meat is sold for megabucks overseas. Why would they want to put it in pet foods?

The euthanized horses from our clinic were sent to a local zoo for bear and mountain lion food. There was not enough euthanasia solution in the meat to be considered harmful. The internal organs were thrown away because the chemicals were localized to those specific body parts.

The euthed horses from our barn go to a rendering plant--along with most euthed horses in this area.  DO you think the rendering planys just throw parts away?  I doubt it.  You probably know that there are other meds in a euthed horses system like Bute, Banomine, Ace, etc depending on what kind of stress the horse experienced prior to death.  Also, many horses are on purge wormers,  daily wormers, and various supps that are not considered safe for human consumption.

The euthed horses from our barn go to a rendering plant--along with most euthed horses in this area.  DO you think the rendering planys just throw parts away?  I doubt it.  You probably know that there are other meds in a euthed horses system like Bute, Banomine, Ace, etc depending on what kind of stress the horse experienced prior to death.  Also, many horses are on purge wormers,  daily wormers, and various supps that are not considered safe for human consumption.

I'm not exactly sure what you were implying, the DNA tests did not find horse DNA which would include ANY part of the horse (the tests are very very sensitive, down to five pounds of whatever they are looking for in more then a ton of meat). Where are you thinking these horses go? Just curious because they are not in dog food as the study showed. I would agree that those horses are not used for human consumption even overseas.

ORIGINAL: sillysally
The euthed horses from our barn go to a rendering plant--along with most euthed horses in this area.  DO you think the rendering planys just throw parts away?  I doubt it.  You probably know that there are other meds in a euthed horses system like Bute, Banomine, Ace, etc depending on what kind of stress the horse experienced prior to death.  Also, many horses are on purge wormers,  daily wormers, and various supps that are not considered safe for human consumption.

Rendering does NOT = dog food... there are many other uses for rendered animal tissues.

Hm, not quite sure about that. In the cobwebs of my mind rendered protein is exactly what "Animal Digest" is. Am I mistaken? If so, then what is Animal Digest?

Paula

P.S. Just answered my own question by going to [linkhttp://www.doberdogs.com]http://www.doberdogs.com[/link] and looking at the USDA definitions of ingredients;

"
Animal By-Product Meal - Consists of rendered animal tissue which does not fit in any of the other categories. It cannot contain hoof, hide trimmings, extra hair, horn, stomach or rumen contents, manure or any foreign matter. Animal Digest - A powder or liquid made by taking clean under-composed animal tissue and breaking it down using chemical and or emblematic hydrolysis. It does not contain horn, teeth, hair, hooves, or feathers except in trace amounts which are unavoidable, Digest names must be descriptive of their contents....that is, chicken digest must be made from chicken and beef digest made from beef." (http://www.doberdogs.com/foodcht2.html )
This site has been around a long time and is one that I used years ago to learn to read my dog food ingredient labels.  So it seems Animal Digest and Animal By-Product Meal are both rendered proteins.

Do with it as you wish.
Paula

Food for thought......

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One day, I'm going to learn how to make my links into titles....

ORIGINAL: paulaedwina
This site has been around a long time and is one that I used years ago to learn to read my dog food ingredient labels.  So it seems Animal Digest and Animal By-Product Meal are both rendered proteins.
Do with it as you wish.
Paula

 
 
     Very interesting ... thanks for posting that info ...

I was under the impression that any 'meal' is rendered including meat, chicken, poultry, bone, etc, and all fats and digests are rendered. Rendering is just the process. It can turn out good or bad products depending on what is put in the batch.

My grandma rendered a lot of things--lard, tallow for candles, for soap.  I could be wrong, but i think it was all from hogs.

ORIGINAL: jennie_c_d

Food for thought......

I find it interesting that your "food for thought" will be quite a different spectrum from mine. I also find it interesting that EVERY SINGLE one of those links mentioned the euthanized pets being rendered and possibly ending up in pet food, which I've already discussed in several threads as being untrue.

My original post said that rendering does NOT = Dog food. It doesn't. Plain and simple. One of MANY products of rendering is meat meal and animal fats... that part goes into dog food, and the products that are rendered to produce those meals are fit for pet comsumption. The products that are not fit for animal consumption are made into other things...

How Some Rendering Industry "Products" Are Used:

Non-edible tallow: Used in wax paper, crayons and soap

Oleic acid: Used in foods, soaps, permanent wave solutions, shampoos, hair dyes, lipsticks, liquid make-ups, nasal sprays

Glycerine: Used in inks, glues, solvents, antifreeze, cosmetics, foods, mouthwashes, toothpastes, soaps, ointments, plastics

Stearic acid: Used in rubber, cosmetics, lubricants, candles, hair spray, conditioners, deodorants, creams, food flavoring, pharmaceutical products

Linoleic acid: Used in paints and esters

Meat meal and bone meal: Used in livestock feed and pet food.