I bought--EEK--Iams

I also think most dogs prefer canned over kibble.  one exception--When Buck was on the Science Diet k/d, he didn't like the canned either--i bought it to mix his sups and thyroid pills in.  And i also think some with find a fault or flaw with any  canned or dry, if they don't like the the brand n ame.

A long time ago I had read some labels on canned foods that were not generic brands but almost, like Petsmart version of Pedigree and our grocery brand.  And, they weren't bad, nothing I would have an issue with. 
 
So, I e-mailed Lilian (who is the Dog Food Project lady) and asked her what she thought about me getting these now and then and saving a few bucks too. 
 
Her e-mail back stated that yes, the ingredients sound good, but the quality would be questionable, ie, not  human grade.  And, she brought up something else.  That any meats not used for humans get douced with chemicals so they don't get into the human food chain.   Honestly, I couldn't imagine someone doucing how much meat with chemicals.  But, I believed Lilian as she had helped me out a lot in the past. 
 
She didn't tell me not to use them but to at least go into it with my eyes open. 
 
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That any meats not used for humans get douced with chemicals so they don't get into the human food chain.

I am afraid i don't understand this.  ANY meat not used for human consumption is filled  with chemicals?  What would be the purpose in this?  Does this mean ALL meat in ALL dog foods is filled with chemicals--or "just ones" like Iams, Euk, Pedigree, SD, etc?  I was assured by purina their meat is "human quality meat."   So does that mean it is still filled with chemicals because it is intended to be dog food.  If so, would that not apply to the premium foods that use "human quality meats"?  I would also like to know where she got all this information.  I would like to read up on it myself.
 
EDITED  I remember her.  She was posting here when i first  joined over 3 years ago.  several that were here then are  no longer here, or use diffeernt names.  I remember one who was suppose to be an expert on dog behavior, Sunny.  There was one in Spain that posted a lot--i think it was ninna or nina, don't remember for sure--and Jan ruggles I think her name was, Redbird, and m any others that are no longer here.

It's been so long but I honestly don't think she provided me with links to back this up and I probably didn't even ask, LOL. 

But, to clarify---she said that any meats that are not human grade and used in dog food will contain chemicals. 

The foods I was questioning did not use human grade meats like the higher end stuff, it was just some cheap stuff that looked OK to me. 
 
Edited to say--Sandra, later I'll go dig around her website and see if I can find anything on this.  I'm sure I wasn't the first person she had spoken with about this. 

Thanks.  I would love to know where that information came from.

There was a list of dog food with pentobarbital in it, I suppose we could figure out which food has it in easy enough and avoid it.  I also wonder (and wish I knew) if any of those foods have been changed so that they no longer have it.
While pentobarbital is pentobarbital,,,,,,it was somehow worse when everyone was going around talking euthanized pets and road kill in pet food. THAT is what I don't believe.

Out of curiosity; why draw the line at roadkill. Why not roadkill? Where does roadkill go when it gets picked up?

Paula

Well, for me I draw the line way before road kill.  I guess I'm aware that if she happened across something gross like that she'd probably want it.  But, she's not getting it from me.  []

ORIGINAL: dyan

There was a list of dog food with pentobarbital in it, I suppose we could figure out which food has it in easy enough and avoid it.  I also wonder (and wish I knew) if any of those foods have been changed so that they no longer have it.
While pentobarbital is pentobarbital,,,,,,it was somehow worse when everyone was going around talking euthanized pets and road kill in pet food. THAT is what I don't believe.

Pentobarbitol was found in foods over 10 years ago... they did the study again and found pentobarbitol in 3 foods instead of 40. Its no longer an issue. Euthanized pets are NOT found in pet foods.

http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14719710&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_DocSum

My husband drives border to border (and into Canada) and from coast to coast and he laughs at the idea of road kill in dog food.  he drives about 10,000 miles a month thru cities and long stretches where 'the deer and the antelope play' and there are many,many miles between litle towns and he says he doesn't see enough roadkill, even in the boonies, to make a bag  of dog food--and he also doesn't believe people are driving 500 mniles a day to p ick up 3 rabbits, one possem, and a couple of "so smushed they are unrecognizable" critters to sell for dog food.  And even if they did, there is not a place every 50 miles to take to bodies to for processing. 
 
Around here the critters stay on the road until they are just greasy spots.  They are not picked up.So no, I do  not believe road kill is put in dog food. 

Pentobarbitol was found in foods over 10 years ago... they did the study again and found pentobarbitol in 3 foods instead of 40. Its no longer an issue. Euthanized pets are NOT found in pet foods.

 
Some old stories never die and someone always believes and repeats them and  gets others to believe , they repeat it and it goes on and on and sometimes gets worse with the telling.

This articlehttp://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/06jul/02.htm was published by the Federal Highway Administration in August 2006. In it they say that the traditional methods of roadkill disposal, including rendering into feed for domestic animals, may be slowly replaced by the preferable method of composting.

There are a lot of sources I don't believe, but when the Federal Highway Administration says that is one of the things they do with roadkill, well, who would know better than them?

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

And even if they did, there is not a place every 50 miles to take to bodies to for processing.

There doesn't have to be a rendering plant every 50 miles. Hereford Bi-Products, which is owned by Merrick Pet Foods, is a dead stock removal company based in Hereford, TX and they have a rendering plant at the same location. Hereford Bi-Products picks up dead stock for use in pet foods all over Texas and Oklahoma. I recently posted a link about a problem they had in central Oklahoma. (ETA: In that link they said they used the dead stock for pet food) Anyway, I don't know how long after death the stock is retrieved but it is probably at least a couple of days between death and rendering.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

Sandra--My experience has been that most canned fomulas are better than the dry version of the same brand. 

I think for the most part when food is discussed it's the dry they are comparing and conversing over, not the canned.  So, that's probably why what you're looking at and what you've read don't jive.  [sm=2cents.gif]

Lori

I dont think Iams dry is a bad food.

ORIGINAL: sandra_slayton

he says he doesn't see enough roadkill, even in the boonies, to make a bag of dog food--and he also doesn't believe people are driving 500 mniles a day to pick up 3 rabbits, one possem, and a couple of "so smushed they are unrecognizable" critters to sell for dog food

In that link I posted the Federal Highway Administration estimates 1.5 million deer-vehicle crashes occur yearly. I don't know if that is total crashes, or just deer fatalities. For example purposes we'll assume that only 1/2 of those crashes kill the deer (it would probably be closer to 3/4 or more), and of those only 1/2 are picked up for rendering. So that's a low estimate of 375,000 deer at a low estimate of 100 pounds each. That's 37,500,000 pounds of deer to be rendered into venison meal, or more likely, meat meal, meat broth and animal fat.