Forum "Moderation"

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

I think that there should be one section of the forum for Training & Behavior.  I think the CM section should go - unless you want to start adding sections for Ian Dunbar, Ed Frawley, or even the Queen of England and how she treats the Corgis, and everyone else on the planet.  One of the reasons that this separation is a bad idea is that newbies come here for advice, and despite the fact that some of them are a bit put off, many do stay and read, and they deserve to hear both sides of any training debate, plus learn about diverse techniques that are shared from all training perspectives.  So what if people argue about the methods?  As long as it doesn't get personal and stays on topic, what are you all so afraid of?  That the newbie won't take your advice when confronted with something that makes more sense to him for his own situation?  I don't think that the CM section contributed to the welfare of the board at all.  In fact, I think it kept the divisions stronger longer.
If you separated the section into sections at all, perhaps a better choice would have been:
Positive Reinforcement Training
   General & Lure/Reward
   Clicker
Traditional Obedience Training
   General & Correction
   E-Collar
Competitive Obedience
Working Dogs
Assistance Dogs
Canine Sports
Therapy Dogs
Behavior Problems
Aggression

 
Spiritdogs,  As always GREAT SUGGESTIONS!!!  We need a change ont his forum and quickly!!
 
By the way I thought the same thing.  Some newbies post a question in the Cesar section because they don't who he is and think that's a good place and not becasue they are ONLY interested in CM ways.  The issue is that others are not allowed to post anything un-related to his ways.  Sad..  
 
 

I don't think there is a need for multiple Training sections such as POS and TRAD.  Although most households are one or two dogs and will tend to gravitate to one of these two methods, I have many dogs and use the two based on me knowing the dog.  I see me posting the same request for help in the two sections in order for me to make an informed decision.
 
There needs to be a behavior problem section because of all the unique problems presented by foster/shelter dogs.  E.G. True Separation Anxiety, aggression, timidness and the list goes on and on. 

If you separated the section into sections at all, perhaps a better choice would have been:
Positive Reinforcement Training
General & Lure/Reward
Clicker
Traditional Obedience Training
General & Correction
E-Collar
Competitive Obedience
Working Dogs
Assistance Dogs
Canine Sports
Therapy Dogs
Behavior Problems
Aggression

 
I think that these are great suggestions.  It is very helpful that there are specific methods & ideas that can be discussed in these recomended sections.
 

  I don't think there is a need for multiple Training sections such as POS and TRAD.  Although most households are one or two dogs and will tend to gravitate to one of these two methods, I have many dogs and use the two based on me knowing the dog.  I see me posting the same request for help in the two sections in order for me to make an informed decision.

 
Not all of these sections need to be just about YOU!  There may be others who would find both a positive & traditional section very helpful.

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

If you separated the section into sections at all, perhaps a better choice would have been:
Positive Reinforcement Training
General & Lure/Reward
Clicker
Traditional Obedience Training
General & Correction
E-Collar
Competitive Obedience
Working Dogs
Assistance Dogs
Canine Sports
Therapy Dogs
Behavior Problems
Aggression

I'm just looking at it from JQP's perspective. These categories sound great to us, but when someone comes here with a 'regular' dog, and they don't know the difference between +R and Traditional - they aren't going to know where to post.

Also, there aren't really enough posts to warrant separate sections for Therapy, Working, Assistance, Competitive Obedience, and Sports.

jenns' suggestions on the [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=403149]Suggestions for Forum Format[/link] thread - Behavior Problems, Sports and Work, House and Crate Training, Obedience, Training Techniques, and Everything Else - are much more user-friendly, IMHO.

jenns' suggestions on the Suggestions for Forum Format thread - Behavior Problems, Sports and Work, House and Crate Training, Obedience, Training Techniques, and Everything Else - are much more user-friendly, IMHO.

 
I agree with using these topics.  I like Anne's list too, but I do think it might be too many options.  I came here as JQP with a new rescue with dog/dog aggression issues and was in panic mode.  That was a very long time ago and thankfully it was easy to figure out where to post my questions. I think we should gear it towards the average person since they're more likely to need help quickly.

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From Xerxes:
The moderators need to enforce rules equally across the board or not at all.  When some posters are allowed to bait and yet others are not allowed to ask for clarification then we have, truly, a one sided exchange that allows for NO dissenting opinion.

 
Nice. When I think back to my post a year ago, I desperately needed more than advice. I needed to be confronted. And I was. And it helped. Those confrontations changed my whole life.
 
But those kinds of things no longer happen. Everything is deleted, changed, and edited now. I understand this is a privately run group, but man--to change posts whenever a moderator is asked to or whenever a moderator wants to is scary to me.
 
 

Nice. When I think back to my post a year ago, I desperately needed more than advice. I needed to be confronted. And I was. And it helped. Those confrontations changed my whole life.

But those kinds of things no longer happen. Everything is deleted, changed, and edited now. I understand this is a privately run group, but man--to change posts whenever a moderator is asked to or whenever a moderator wants to is scary to me.

 
Same with me, had I not been confronted I would still be doing things the same way I was taught, lots of scruffing, confrontation and the like.
 
When I consider the moderation in particular areas, I would just rather not visit those areas so I don't.  It's a simple matter of ignoring bad behavior and rewarding the good, the only thing is that in the long run it's the dogs that suffer.  But for now I will stick around in other sections.[]

Never mind.  For the first time in a  long long time, I give up.

ORIGINAL: probe1957

I am not sure I am posting this in the right section but it seems to me to be the most appropriate.

I don't hang out in the CM section of the training forum very much.  I don't know much, if anything, about CM and a couple of people, for whom I have a lot of respect, namely Glenda and Anne, have pretty much convinced me that I don't need to know much about him.  All that being said, when I see comments like this, I think it is cause for concern and worthy of discussion:

ORIGINAL: glenmar
Hmmmmm, I could point out that since I'm the moderator here, *I* get to be right. 

My first impression, upon reading that comment, was that someone is a bit stuck on themself.  When Jaime challenged Glenda on the comment, she said that it was made tongue in cheek.  Well, maybe it was, but I submit that many of us who have been here for awhile can REASONABLY conclude that the comment was based on actual conviction and not said in jest.  In any case the comment was, in my opinion, inappropriate.  Being a moderator most certainly does not make one any more "right" than someone else and the belief that it does is is self-righteous and certainly is an opinion that is best not expressed by a forum moderator.

As an aside, I would like to mention that I have some concern also about what I see as far too frequent threats to close threads.  That didn't used to happen here and is a trend that does not please me as a forum member.

In closing, let me say that I have been participating in internet forums since the mid 1980's.  At that time, Compuserve was affectionately called "CI$" and cost $19.80 an hour to play on their servers.  In other words, I have been doing this for a long time.  I have moderated forums and chat rooms.  I believe that forum moderators have a responsibility to facilitate a conversation and to make sure forum members don't run terribly afoul of the rules.  Forum moderators, IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, should mostly be seen and seldom be heard.  Forum moderators should MODERATE, not dictate.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Glenda as a person and as a dog owner, but as a forum moderator, I think she needs to lighten up just a bit.  I don't want, nor do I think Glenda wants, this to become Glenda's Dog Forum.

 
I would just like to say I agree with all of these points and it certainly has taken much of the enjoyment out of posting.
I didn't choose to comment earlier thinking it will hopefully correct itself and be a non-factor, but it continues.  I am upset about a recent situation.  An Abady thread was started and the second post was from the moderator giving out a warning?  In other words, be careful what you write; be careful what you're thinking.  Maybe there should be a mandate banning all discussion of Abady to make things easier?  If we have moved into a direction with a dictatorship approach rather than moderation approach, maybe go all the way banning certain subjects and curtail free speech.  Words don't have to be inappropriate to be red lined anymore; it is now all subject to interpretation and it has I feel taken away an element of enjoyment. 

THIS is a warning?
 

This is interesting information and I thank Sooner for sharing it.  Discuss all you want, but lets please keep it nice.  We all have our own opinions and aren't likely to share anyone elses with harsh words.

 
 

ORIGINAL: glenmar THIS is a warning?

This is interesting information and I thank Sooner for sharing it.  Discuss all you want, but lets please keep it nice.  We all have our own opinions and aren't likely to share anyone elses with harsh words.

 
That is a friendly warning, the official warning came to my inbox.  I have chosen to reply to Edies question in the form of a PM, rather than participate in the thread any further.
 
I also happen to agree with the OPs last paragraph about having respect, and I have refrained from making any comments in regards to this situation, until now.  I am concerned about the expression of free speech and thought and I have feel we have lost an element of that, especially with red-lining posts.  Foul language is one thing and must never be tolerated.  You red line it seems for whatever you simply don't like.  If I feel like saying at a particular moment people are acting like they are in Romper Room, I should be allowed to say that, not red lined.  Now you opened the door for people to think I have used curse words and foul language, something I would never even consider.  It seems like you're going after free thought and expression, not simply inappropriate language.  Instead of simply deleting my post with 'content removed' as if I curse and swore, you could always say content removed simply because I don't agree with the statement, therefore no else has the right to make up their own mind.

I don't think it is against forum rules to go back and edit the post and either rewrite or delete the red ink.  You are the person that knows what was written so maybe you can possibly judge why the contents were removed and reword it to be acceptable.  I know I have done this and so far I have not received a comment from the Admin or a Moderator. 

You are not allowed to remove a Moderator's red ink.

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