Forum "Moderation"

I don't think there should be seperate sections for behavior and training, it should all be one with subdivisions.  Behavior and training are almost always related so it makes more sense and you won't have to look in ten different places to read posts all about virtually the same subject.  The subsections could be:
 
Behavior Problems
Sports and Work
House and Crate Training
Obedience
Training Techniques
Everything Else

I don't think there should be seperate sections for behavior and training, it should all be one with subdivisions. Behavior and training are almost always related so it makes more sense and you won't have to look in ten different places to read posts all about virtually the same subject. The subsections could be:

Behavior Problems
Sports and Work
House and Crate Training
Obedience
Training Techniques
Everything Else

 
I like all of this. It's simple. Aggression or mistaken cases of aggression would definately be easy to post under behavior problems.
 
I think I would add Luvmyswissy's suggestion of dog communication and body language.

Um, if CM comes back to training, it will NOT be one I am willing to moderate!
 
I believe that Jaimes initial thot was to give the CM fans a place all their own so that they could discuss CM 'til the cows came home without a bunch of unpleasantness from folks who think CM should go back to whence he came and start working with, cats maybe.  Guys, I'm not being troublesome here, but wahoo!  Anytime CM came up ANYPLACE on the forum there were fireworks and name calling and nastiness.  Hence the treat dispensing butler/room mate comment, and yes, that WAS directed at me. 
 
And, as far as the pervasiveness of the nasty fights alllll over the board over CM, the section has helped a lot.  But, sadly it has also become a place where many of us fear to venture because it just gets tooooo ugly if you haven't "taken the oath".
 
I have no clue what the answer is on this one, or the overall nastiness on the board in general.  Here lately I'm not proud to be an idogger.

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

It was NOT ok to call Glenda a "treat dispensing butler roommate"

ORIGINAL: fisher6000

the slingers of now-famous epithets like "treatdispensingbutlerroommate"

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Hence the treat dispensing butler/room mate comment, and yes, that WAS directed at me.

Good grief!!! I've heard so much about this comment I had to go look it up. That comment was made 10/5/06 - and has been referred to no less than 40 times since then. Let it go!!

THAT'S one of the huge problems on this board.

The original post didn't even say treat dispensing butler roommate. The subjects transformed it into that for dramatic effect.

Another HUGE problem on this board.

Hmmm, that's the way I recall it...altho I actually believe treat dispensing butler was one part of the post and room mate was another.....certainly wasn't attempting to add drama.
 
I think that we ALL tend to let a little something bug us at times and bring it back up from time to time.  That's human nature.

I don't think there should be seperate sections for behavior and training, it should all be one with subdivisions. Behavior and training are almost always related so it makes more sense and you won't have to look in ten different places to read posts all about virtually the same subject. The subsections could be:

Behavior Problems
Sports and Work
House and Crate Training
Obedience
Training Techniques
Everything Else

I like all of this. It's simple. Aggression or mistaken cases of aggression would definately be easy to post under behavior problems.

I think I would add Luvmyswissy's suggestion of dog communication and body language.

I second (third?) these ideas.

ORIGINAL: sooner

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

The dog behavior and psychology should be booted and renamed to

"Leaning Styles and techniques”

1. Add;
· Positive Reinforcement Training; This is where Clicker Trainers, Operant conditioning, etc.
· Compulsion Training; Leash corrections, etc
· Classical Conditioning
· Operant Conditioning
· Dog communication and Body Language (much CM theriorie could be discussed in here)
2. Remove
· CM completely
· Modification and Techniques
· Remove behavior problems
· And please.. remove Aggression

This is entirely too complicated for an uneducated dog owner with an issue. They're not going to have a clue where to post.

Edited: Modification techniques, behavior problems and aggression are some of the most clear-cut topics for people needing help NOW.

I don't really understand the separate behavior and training forums. Behavior needs training and training produces behavior.

 
Maybe, they were just suggestions but personally I would love a learning styles and techiques section.  I think there are plenty of areas for a new comer to post questions.  But if someone was interested in "learning" a style of training or technique this would be of great benifit. 
 
Either way, the board need to be redirected IMHO and new catagories will help drive the discussions better.
 
Lets face it, the CM secton is dead anyway - even his most staunch supperters can't find a subject to post about, it should go away because it is about a person and not a technique.  It should be permitted to be discussed as a techniqure and I think those questions would fit nicely into a communication and body language section!  Anyone wanting to understand leash corrections could go to training and compulsion.  I think there should be a "how to" section in the training area as well.  And..  anyone who wants to discuss CM "techniques" should be redirected by the mods to the appropriate section to discuss the methods, not the man!. 
 
 

Could I suggest starting another thread in  a more appropriate and more frequented area to further discuss ideas for topics and divisions?

Hi Glenmar,
 
Did you miss the new Policy Statement.  It is listed as stickies in NDR and General and maybe others.

I hadn't seen it David but I have now.  Thanks.
 
Still, this thread was meant to slice and dice the mods, so perhaps what we should do with topics and sections deserves its OWN thread?

I think that there should be one section of the forum for Training & Behavior.  I think the CM section should go - unless you want to start adding sections for Ian Dunbar, Ed Frawley, or even the Queen of England and how she treats the Corgis, and everyone else on the planet.  One of the reasons that this separation is a bad idea is that newbies come here for advice, and despite the fact that some of them are a bit put off, many do stay and read, and they deserve to hear both sides of any training debate, plus learn about diverse techniques that are shared from all training perspectives.  So what if people argue about the methods?  As long as it doesn't get personal and stays on topic, what are you all so afraid of?  That the newbie won't take your advice when confronted with something that makes more sense to him for his own situation?  I don't think that the CM section contributed to the welfare of the board at all.  In fact, I think it kept the divisions stronger longer.
If you separated the section into sections at all, perhaps a better choice would have been:
Positive Reinforcement Training
    General & Lure/Reward
    Clicker
Traditional Obedience Training
    General & Correction
    E-Collar
Competitive Obedience
Working Dogs
Assistance Dogs
Canine Sports
Therapy Dogs
Behavior Problems
Aggression

Sorry, Billy, I can't help you much here, either. I took Glenda's comment as tongue-in-cheek.
 
Even if she was serious, and I don't think she was, there's not much I could have done about it except cry in my toast, or gummi bears, or whatever I'm eating.
 
I used to go to BBSs that weren't really moderated. Let me tell you, I took some heat when I would go to a physics BBS and point out that Einstein was wrong. And even when they tried to throw me a curve ball with the Lorentzian version of hyperbolic trogonometry as applied through topology, I still caught their mistake and that was "rude" of me. Even worse, I admitted to being a lowly electrician. Oh, the shame.
 
All in all, though, rules of decorum are good. Hashing it out is not always productive. As we have seen here lately. But I think we all make this forum what it is, each and every day. The mods and admins could correct and lock threads all day and the host could shut it down. Or, we can behave like adults. There's always a choice.

I have a denim jacket that I call the jacket of honor. It started out with just Harley Davidson patches. Then patches from my friend, Lee, from the rags he wore in his riding days. Rags was usually a vest that had all your patches, including club insignia, if you had them. Then, a pin from my FIL from the 410 Light Bomber Group, 9th USAF, WWII. The flag. A patch that says "freedom isn't free." I want to make a patch that says "domineering, treat-dispensing butler who doesn't allow my dog to think." I've worked hard to get that label, dadgummit. No one's directly called me that, though it could be implied at times. Nothing takes the thunder out of an epithet like owning it. My personal favorite replies to such a thing would "And your point is?" and "Oh ... is that your tough talk? Okay ..."

On the other side of that whole thing were certainly the disgruntled feelings that such implications were designed to cause. And the intent or reason for causing hurt feelings.

I could care less that this is the "internet." We are humans and should treat each other with respect. Words can hurt and feelings don't always heal back the way they were. Sometimes, they scar. And, btw, referring to it yet again, because I'm a bad boy[sm=devil.gif], you, Glenda, are one of my favorite treat-dispensing butlers. It's a testament to your care and understanding that you can take care of six GSDs, any one of which could drag you down the street like the end of a leash.

When a poster asks for clarification and asks questions, how is that considered baiting?

The moderators need to enforce rules equally across the board or not at all.  When some posters are allowed to bait and yet others are not allowed to ask for clarification then we have, truly, a one sided exchange that allows for NO dissenting opinion.