Is Tail Docking Dog Torture?

    • Gold Top Dog

    Is Tail Docking Dog Torture?

    Illinois Bill Makes Tail Docking ‘Torture’ A Felony, PA Docking Bill Reincarnated

     

    PA Puppy ‘Lemon Law’ Also May Be Strengthened

     
    by JOHN YATES
    American Sporting Dog Alliance
       
    The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is taking aim at tail docking, ear cropping and dewclaw removal this year.
     
    An Illinois bill would make tail docking and ear cropping a felony, even if done by a veterinarian. In Pennsylvania, legislation that died last year would have restricted tail docking, ear cropping and dewclaw removal. This bill has been resurrected this year.
     
    Another Pennsylvania bill would strengthen the state’s puppy “Lemon Law.”
     
    Tail docking and ear cropping are under assault by the animal rights movement, which sees them as mutilation. The Illinois bill calls it “torture.”
     
    These common practices have been banned in several European countries, and HSUS and its allies want to see these practices become illegal in America, too.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance strongly supports the right of every breeder to make his or her own choices about tail docking, ear cropping and dewclaw removal. If done correctly, these practice do not harm a young puppy in any way and are extremely safe, virtually painless and also may serve an important purpose for many hunting dogs, terriers, working dogs, guard dogs and herding dogs.
     
    To call the common and traditional practices of tail docking and dewclaw removal “torture” or “mutilation” is completely absurd. Quite frankly, anyone who describes these practices in those terms is confessing to appalling ignorance about them, and about dogs.
     
    We are urging dog owners to join us in fighting any legislation that prohibits, criminalizes or overly restricts the responsible and conscientious choices of dog breeders.
      

    Illinois

     
    Current Illinois law specifically excludes tail docking and ear cropping from the crime of animal torture.
     
    However, Senate Bill 0139, introduced by Sen. Terry Link (D-Lake County), removes those exclusions and adds tail docking and ear cropping to the list of acts that would constitute animal torture, which is a third class felony offense.
     
    SB 0139 makes ear cropping a felony in all cases.
     
    Tail docking would become a felony under SB0139 in almost all cases, even if it is performed by a veterinarian. A veterinarian would be allowed to dock a tail only “for a medical reason.”
     
    Docking for any other reason, such as to assist the dog in hunting or herding, or to conform to the official standard for a particular breed, would be a felony under SB 0139.
       
    SB 0139 is awaiting its committee assignment.
     
    However, we urge Illinois dog owners to take two actions now.
     
    Please contact the Committee on Assignments and ask them to commit SB 0139 to the Agriculture Committee, which would be more sensitive to the concerns of animal owners. Here is contact information for the assignment committee: http://www.ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?committeeID=760 .
     
    Also, please contact your own state senator and ask her or him to oppose this legislation. Here is a list of links for every state senator: http://www.ilga.gov/senate/ .
     

    Pennsylvania

     
    Last year, Rep. Thomas R. Caltagirone (D-Berks County) introduced House Bill 2532, which would have restricted a person’s ability to dock tails or clip dewclaws on a litter of young puppies. This legislation died when the session ended before last Christmas. It passed the state House unanimously with 198 “yes” votes, but died in the Senate Agriculture Committee.
     
    Rep. Caltagirone is back again with the same bill, which now is called HB 39. This bill appears to be moving quickly, as it already has been committed to the House Judiciary Committee and moved to the Appropriations Committee. Rep. Caltagirone is chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance sees HB 39 as very dangerous legislation because it is based on a series of ambiguities that do not clearly spell out a dog owner’s responsibilities or provide a clear definition of proof of innocence.
     
    The heart of the measure is that the owner of a litter of puppies can clip dewclaws or dock tails until the puppies are five days old, after which time it legally becomes animal cruelty. The litter owner also can have a veterinarian perform the procedure.
     
    The dangerous ambiguity comes because the bill provides no way for the owner of a litter to prove that tail docking or dewclaw removal was done legally, except if it is done by a veterinarian, who could certify it. Thus, no way is given to a litter owner who legally performs these procedures to prove her or his innocence if he or she is falsely or mistakenly charged with violating this law.
     
    The legislation demands that a litter owner keep a record of the procedure, but does not specify what kind of record must be kept, or what kind of record will be sufficient legal evidence if the litter owner is confronted by an animal cruelty police officer or is taken to court on a charge of animal cruelty.
     
    This alone makes it very dangerous and poorly conceived legislation.
     
    HB 39 also says that the evidence of an unhealed wound from tail docking or dewclaw removal is “prima facie” evidence of a violation of the animal cruelty statutes. “Prima facie” means that an accused person is automatically guilty and has no defense against the charge.
     
    This creates many gray areas. First, it may take several days for the wound to completely heal, which could be beyond the fifth day. Second, many people could not actually prove how old their puppies are in court, unless there was a witness to the whelping.
     
    Thus, the American Sporting Dog Alliance believes that HB 39 is a backdoor attempt to require a veterinarian to perform all tail docking or dewclaw removal procedures, as there would be no other way for a litter owner to prove they were done legally in court.
     
    HB 39 also creates a very real and very dangerous situation for anyone whose dog loses a tail accidentally. With hunting dogs that move with a merry and cracking tail, for example, broken tails are not uncommon. Sometimes the part of the tail that is above the break atrophies and falls off, leaving exposed flesh until healing is complete. This would subject the dog’s owner to a charge of animal cruelty for a purely accidental event of a dog’s tail whipping against a rock or tree.
     
    Also, on occasion, a puppy’s tail can be broken in the womb or shortly after birth by its mother. These kinds of broken tails almost always atrophy and fall off when the puppy is several weeks or months old.
     
    Many other dogs lose their tails accidentally by having them caught in car or house doors, stepped on, or struck by a hard and heavy object such as a falling tree limb. A legitimate accident should not be the basis for a possible animal cruelty charge.
     
    Moreover, the entire concept of a dog owner being forced to prove her or his innocence runs against the most basic American principle of justice: That a person is presumed to be innocent unless guilt can be proven in court. It is unconstitutional and un-American to force people into a legal situation of having to prove their own innocence.
     
    Like most animal rights-inspired legislation, HB 39 attempts to use a sensationalized issue to garner support. In the case of HB 39, the issue is “debarking.” Animal rights activists claim that some commercial kennels “debark” dogs by breaking their vocal chords with a pipe or other object.
     
    Simply put, we have never seen or even heard of anyone doing this. Nor have we seen the slightest shred of proof to indicate that this is being done in commercial kennels or anywhere else as anything more than an isolated and rare incident.
     
    We abhor the animal rights group tactic of using an emotionally charged but almost nonexistent problem to try to push through legislation to take away dog owners’ rights to perform common, safe and painless procedures like docking the tails of young puppies.

    Comparing tail docking to “debarking” is even more far-fetched than comparing apples to oranges. It’s more like comparing apples to chainsaws.
     
    HB 39 amends current law, which already contains similar provisions for ear cropping. Ear cropping must be done only by a veterinarian, or the work performed before the effective date of the act and certified before a county treasure, under existing law.
     
    We believe this section of the law should be repealed, as many people buy or are given a dog that has had its ears cropped, but have no way of proving that the work was done legally. In addition, many people bring dogs with cropped ears into Pennsylvania from other states where the laws are different. It is wrong to place law-abiding people in the cruel situation of having to part with or euthanize a beloved family pet because of a poorly conceived law.
     
    Also, the ear cropping law would do tremendous harm to rescue work and animal shelter adoptions, because few if any dogs that would come into such a program would have the required proof that ear cropping was done legally. Most of these dogs are strays or pets that have been abandoned, or dogs that have been confiscated from illegal kennels. The absence of a veterinarian’s certificate would offer only one choice under the law: Euthanize the dog or face possible animal cruelty charges.
     
    That is not fair to the dogs that enter rescue or sheltering programs. These dogs have a tough enough time finding loving homes.
     
    SB 39 also would give state dog wardens the legal authority to enforce animal cruelty laws in counties that have not appointed a humane society police officer. Under current law, dog wardens cannot enforce animal cruelty laws.
     
    Many areas of Pennsylvania do not have an officially designated animal cruelty officer. Sometimes, this is because a trained officer is not available.
     
    However, over the past year there has been much dissention within the ranks of animal cruelty police officers and the Pennsylvania Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, which administers the law enforcement program. Many humane police officers have been fired or have quit over the past year, and state dog wardens have reported that many counties do not have anyone to handle cruelty cases.
     
    We question whether the state Bureau of Dog Law Enforcement has the manpower to do this job, especially in light of last year’s complicated new kennel and dog law, which has severely strained the Bureau’s resources. It also may cause all of the conflicts and problems associated with the expression, “too many cooks in the kitchen.”
       
    If last year is a measure, HB 39 can be expected to garner considerable support in the state House of Representatives.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance is urging every Pennsylvania dog owner to contact members of the Judiciary and Appropriations committees, and also his or her own representative, to voice opposition to HB 39.
     
    Here is a link to all representatives’ home pages and contact information: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/representatives_alpha.cfm .
     
    Here is a link to members of the Judiciary Committee: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/cteeInfo.cfm?cde=24&body=H . Comments should include the legal problems presented by this legislation, and the lack of a clear standard of proof of guilt or innocence.
     
    Here is a link to members of the Appropriations Committee: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/cteeInfo.cfm?cde=4&body=H . Comments should include the costs of enforcing and prosecuting this law, as this is the job of the Appropriations Committee.
     
    HB 39 was cosponsored by Reps. Adolph, Belfanti, Beyer, Brennan, Buxton, D. Costa, Fabrizio, Frankel, Freeman, Goodman, Grucela, Hornaman, Killion, Kortz, Manderino, Mann, M. O’Brien, O’Neill, Pashinsky, Payne, Readshaw, Samuelson, Santoni, Siptroth, Sturla, Swanger, Vulakovich, Watson, White and Walco.
     
    If your representative is a cosponsor, please ask him or her to withdraw support for HB 39.
     

    PA Puppy Lemon Law

     
    Senate Bill 50, introduced by Sen. Stewart Greenleaf (R-Bucks and Montgomery Counties), enhances protections both for puppy buyers and breeders under Pennsylvania’s current “Puppy Lemon Law.”
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance generally supports this bill.
     
    Here are some of the changes:
     
    • Buyer protection: Extends the period from 10 to 14 days after the date of purchase for a puppy buyer to have a dog examined that has become clinically ill or has died from a contagious, infectious or parasitic disease.
     
    • Buyer protection: Current law says that a breeder must reimburse the buyer for the reasonable cost of curing the disease. This bill adds treating the disease to the cost of reimbursement.
     
    • Buyer protection: It expands the covered timeframe for a dog that has died of a genetic or congenital disease from 30 to 90 days.
     
    • Breeder protection: Liability will not be extended for puppies that have internal or external parasites, unless the dog is clinically ill or dies from them.
     
    • Breeder protection: A breeder is not liable for a dog that becomes sick or dies from an injury or illness likely contacted while in possession of the purchaser.
     
    • Breeder protection: A breeder will not be liable for any medical problem that was fully disclosed to the purchaser in writing before the sale.
     
    • Buyer protection: The time limit to report a problem to the breeder was extended from two days to five days.
       
    SB 50 has been introduced into the Senate Consumer Protection and Special Licensure Committee. No action has been taken to date.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance represents owners, breeders and professionals who work with breeds of dogs that are used for hunting. We also welcome people who work with other breeds, as legislative issues affect all of us. We are a grassroots movement working to protect the rights of dog owners, and to assure that the traditional relationships between dogs and humans maintains its rightful place in American society and life.
     
    The American Sporting Dog Alliance also needs your help so that we can continue to work to protect the rights of dog owners. Your membership, participation and support are truly essential to the success of our mission. We are funded solely by your donations in order to maintain strict independence.
     
    Please visit us on the web at http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org . Our email is asda@csonline.net .
     

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    • Gold Top Dog

    In my opinion, tail docking and ear clipping are wholly cosmetic. I've heard some say that some breeds have weak, easily damaged tails that would suffer injuries and infections. My response would that perhaps breeders should change their breeding program and not breed dogs with physical defects that have to be surgically removed.

    Then, again, I don't believe in male human circumcision but try and stop that practice and see what you get.

    So, if we're going to allow human mutilation, why not pet mutilation or cosmetic surgery? Granted, some men might need circumcision because of a pressing medical issue, such as cancer in that bit of skin just as one might have to amputate the injured tail of a dog. But many is the breed who's look is partially due to cosmetic surgery, such as ear clipping and tail docking. Done early enough with proper medical procedures, the dog may not miss it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't know if it is torture, but I agree with Ron, I think it is cosmetic as well.  I mean, I know that people have said that certain hunting breeds, I believe spaniels, who go into the brush and can get their tails hurt, and that was the reason why they had them docked, but nowadays how many spaniels are working, and are doing that type of work to warrant docking?  Spaniels is only an example.

    I, also, think that it has turned from there being a reason, to cosmetic.  I don't know about ear cropping or any reasons other than cosmetic for that.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I totally agree that tail docking is torture - I have personally heard the cries of puppies who've had it done, without pain medicine, and puppies *do not* make those noises - no dog or animal does unless they're seriously hurting. Actually the pups were gaining weight regularly and had doubled in size from their birth weight by day 5, but when the docking was done not only did they not gain any more weight for 4 days - they LOST weight. I know that ear cropping is also done at a young age and that's also torture - now if these things are being done at a later age, with medicine, with the animal unconscious, with pain medicine, I don't think that's actually torture, but I think that very few pet owners would have that done to an 8 week old, or 3-5 month old dog, it's really expensive, risky, a big hassel for recovery, and pointless.

    Dew claw removal I do think is a good thing, but again, it should be done at a later age with pain meds because I've seen what happens when a dog catches a dew claw it's hard to heal and sucks, and those toes often get caught on things even when they're tight against the leg.

     I'm totally for vets ruling themselves though, it's great to make it a law so that bad breeders can't try to do these things themselves(from the looks of one of our min pins I have no doubt the breeder cut her ears off with sissors or something himself, no vet would have done that), but vets should govern themselves I think.

    Debarking does happen, did anyone see the dog getting a rod rammed down it's throat on Oprah?

    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't know much about tail docking, cropping, or de-claws nice my breed requires neither of these three to be "done", however I do know that often puppies cry and howl more from being restrained than pain.  When Nikon was tattooed at 12 weeks he SHRIEKED being restrained...that was just while the man was *looking* in his ear.  He didn't seem to even notice the tattoo (which is stamped, not drawn with a pen so it's done instantly) and 2 seconds afterward he was set on the ground and ran off, picked up a toy, and then played tug games with the people who had just restrained and tattooed him.  When he was a squirt it sounded like he was being tortured ANY time he had to be restrained (namely for nail trimming, and I've never quicked him or even cut him that short).  So, I don't know that I'd necessarily assume the amount of pain is relative to the screams of the puppy.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Ah, I don't mean the initial screams when it was done - I mean they screamed and screetched for 3 straight days after, so much so that they lost weight and weren't nursing as well as they had previously. Finally the swelling subsided in the cut areas, in their case the dewclaws and tails, and they stopped screaming and went back to the business of eating and growing. I think there should be a theory on this really - if tactile stimulation helps dogs develop more quickly, I forget what it's called but it consists of exposing them to different positions, cold, touching paws - then such a massive amount of pain at such a young age, what effect does *that* have on a dog? Doesn't it teach them, profoundly, that there is pain in the world at an age much before they would ever incounter *real* pain? Does it create more fearful dogs?

    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't think it's torture, thats an exaggeration.  I do think that traits that have to be artificially created are not important enough to justify the procedures.  I think dogs, in order to be healthy companion animals have to be bred to have a purpose.  Even the toy breeds should live long, healthy lives and possess fantastic temperaments.  Breeding to produce a "look" for no other reason than a subjective preference of beauty is illogical and is only hurting the dogs.  I know that breeders will defend their right to have a dog that looks a certain way and if that look does not create problems for the dog, then I have no possible objection.  I don't agree that tail docking and ear cropping are necessary and I know that the tail dockers will argue using the tail injury statistics. It just doesn't make sense why some long tailed breeds are docked and others remain their natural length.  If I could be convinced that this was a legitimate reason, I would support tail docking.

    • Gold Top Dog

    boredpuppy08

    Ah, I don't mean the initial screams when it was done - I mean they screamed and screetched for 3 straight days after, so much so that they lost weight and weren't nursing as well as they had previously. Finally the swelling subsided in the cut areas, in their case the dewclaws and tails, and they stopped screaming and went back to the business of eating and growing. I think there should be a theory on this really - if tactile stimulation helps dogs develop more quickly, I forget what it's called but it consists of exposing them to different positions, cold, touching paws - then such a massive amount of pain at such a young age, what effect does *that* have on a dog? Doesn't it teach them, profoundly, that there is pain in the world at an age much before they would ever incounter *real* pain? Does it create more fearful dogs?

     

    How old were they done?  It doesn't sound right.  Again, I don't own breeds that have anything like this done but I've never heard of it taking days to recover.  I've heard them done at the vet (and I think they are 2 days old or less) and they cry for about 30 seconds, after that they are fussing because their mom is not there.

    • Gold Top Dog

    To my knowledge, two days old is when tail docking and dew claw removal should be done, if done at all.  Five days old is a little late, IMHO.

    Although I have a dog with a docked tail and no dewclaws I don't really have an opinion on whether or not it should be done.  I do believe that if it is done it needs to be done correctly.

    • Gold Top Dog

     I've seen what happens when dewclaws get caught on things.  It is NOT pretty or pleasant, and I can assure you that if I were a dog I'd much rather have it removed when I was 2 days old and feel pain for a few seconds rather than have it ripped off when I was a year old and have that much pain for much much longer.  It's just so much easier, especially for dogs that happen to have double dewclaws.  Those things are accidents waiting to happen.  

     And five days is too old to be docking tails and doing dewclaws.  Someone recently brought a litter in at about 5-6 days and we numbed them first.  It should really be done at 2 days, then it is much less painful.  We've only had pups squeel initially, then they were fine.  I don't know what happened to the pups you're talking about, but that is not the norm.  They were probably too old and weren't numbed. 

     Now ear cropping, I do not think is necessary and agree with banning that.  The other two, however, do have their purposes still.  

    • Gold Top Dog
    For beauty reasons I dislike tail docking/ear cropping. Whats the point of cropping ears on a perfectly healthy house pet just to fit a breed look? I can see the point of cropping ears and tails in working animals, tho. Especially some hunting breeds like terrier that work closely with the prey. When Frankie killed a full grown raccoon it shredded his left ear and that ear bled like CRAZY. I never knew ears could bleed so much. I had to use a wrap to strap the ear to the side of his head so every time he shook his head it wouldn't re-open the wound. Charlie when he used to go through brush he would always get his very fluffy tail tangled in thorn bushes and need me to come untangle him. I can see how that would hinder a working dogs ability to work in thick brush. But just pets? Naw.
    • Bronze

     Personally I disagree with ear cropping.  Tails and dewclaws are another matter.  There are breeds of dogs that have fewer nerve endings in their tails than others and tails in general don't have great blood supply to them.  I watched my friends Dobe wag his tail bloody against walls, trees etc.  He spent months fighting the infections from this.  He is a super softy with Jake and didn't do his ears or his tail as a pup, but ended up having to have the tail removed anyway. 

    As far as laws about this goes....keep in mind that every time we allow the govt. to say "You can't do this"  you're giving them permission to stick a gun in your face to enforce it.  There are a lot of dog laws I'd like to see enforced like that, but ears, tails, and dewclaws just don't carry the gravitas necessary to justify the enforcement.  JMHO

    • Gold Top Dog

     Well personally I would consider neutering or spaying a far worse form of torture than docking/croping/dewclaw removal.  Of course that is just the silly human part of me that says I would much prefer to have those parts removed than my sex organs.  I don't see how they can get away calling those surgeries mutilation but leave neutering and spaying in the clear simply because it suits their ideals? Hmm

    • Gold Top Dog

    Krissim Klaw

     Well personally I would consider neutering or spaying a far worse form of torture than docking/croping/dewclaw removal.  Of course that is just the silly human part of me that says I would much prefer to have those parts removed than my sex organs.  I don't see how they can get away calling those surgeries mutilation but leave neutering and spaying in the clear simply because it suits their ideals? Hmm

    Well said!! 

    • Gold Top Dog

    Banned in the UK last year. Course the problem now is that some breeders go over to Ireland to have it done, where it isnt illegal, so they can sell to people who want docked/cropped dogs.

    We woudnt dream of amputating or performing surgery on human children for purely cosmetic reasons - so I dont see why it is accepted that we do it to animals.