terrible dog attack

Marklf

Is it finally time to recognize that this breed may not be the harmless lovable breed some like to portray it as?  Is it time to acknowledge that this breed attracts too many owners that want a "vicious" dog?  Will we now admit that too many of this breed are being bred for their aggressive traits (including human aggression)?   Have we gotten to the point where "responsible Pit Bull owners" are becoming the exception rather then the rule?

No, but maybe banning convicted felons with gang connections from owning any dog would work. Nine out of ten times the dogs responsible for these type of attacks are from the inner cities and are owned by punks.

AuroraLove

You want to place blame on a breed for appealing to irresponsible owners?

I am not "blaming the breed" but I am asking if it is time to recognize reality!  The reality is that too many people seek out this breed because of their "bad reputation".  This is causing too many innocent people to be injured and killed!!!

AuroraLove

LOL do you have any clue how laughable and ridiculous that sounds?

I think that trying to pretend that there are no problems with this breed sounds a bit more laughable and ridiculous!

AuroraLove

Can you say with your heart that this breed should be bansihed because of a man made problem and due to the fact that the public and government lacks the initiative to act responsibly by placing spay/neuter laws or some other responsible act. Should the THOUSANDS of responsible APBT owners have to relinquish their dogs because of a group of idiots?

Please point out where I ever advocated "banishing" this or any other breed!

AuroraLove

Keep in mind 50 years ago the APBT was in the top 10 family dogs in the US, was the mascot for Sony, was Hellen Kellers breed of choice and was the dog on Lil Rascals......would a vicious dog be chosen for such?

Ahh the old this was the dog on the little rascals argument.  I have always found that to be the silliest of arguments!  There are two major flaws with that argument.  The first flaw is that this is NOT 50 years ago!!!!!!  So what difference does it make if the little rascals or Helen Keller or Sony had this breed back then that has nothing to do with the issue that breed is facing TODAY!

Second problem with that argument is that while attempting to place the spotlight on this breeds past you are leaving out some very important parts of the history of this breed!  Like the part where this breed was deliberately created to be vicious!  The claims that "human aggression" have bred out of the dog hold no water when stories like the one posted come up!

AuroraLove

I've been raised around the true stable APBT since I was born and my family has had them for decades longer, none of my family has suffered a vicious attack so keep in mind that your speaking about some people's FAMILY members.

This ignores the fact that too many people have not been as fortunate as you and your family when it comes to this breed!  Pretending that this breed is just a lovable and harmless breed because that has been your personal experience is just as wrong as those that hate this breed because they think that all of them are vicious based on their experiences!  The truth it seems lies somewhere in between those two views!

AuroraLove

If you and other biased people used you half of your ill educated opinion to try and spread awareness maybe these poor dogs would stand a chance

Biased???  Look at what you wrote then tell me who is coming across as "biased"!  Is your "bias" clouding your opinion? 

Mark

Marklf

The claims that "human aggression" have bred out of the dog hold no water when stories like the one posted come up!

I am confused by this.  There was never any human aggression to "breed out".  The APBT has always been a breed with intense loyalty and affection for humans.  A pit bull that attacks a human is not, actually, a true pit bill by temperament.  

dgriego

No, but maybe banning convicted felons with gang connections from owning any dog would work. Nine out of ten times the dogs responsible for these type of attacks are from the inner cities and are owned by punks.

Please note that no where in my post was the word "ban"!!! 

Mark

Benedict

I am confused by this.  There was never any human aggression to "breed out".  The APBT has always been a breed with intense loyalty and affection for humans.

Thats a lovely myth but the sad fact is every breed of dog has some that will end up being "human aggresive"!  Please tell the 90 year old man that was being eaten alive that those dogs were being "loyal" and "affectionate".

Mark

Marklf

Thats a lovely myth but the sad fact is every breed of dog has some that will end up being "human aggresive"!  Please tell the 90 year old man that was being eaten alive that those dogs were being "loyal" and "affectionate".

 

You've proved my point.  In all breeds there will be "bad apples".  Let's ban them all, shall we?  Because any dog has the capability to bite...

Benedict

You've proved my point.  In all breeds there will be "bad apples".  Let's ban them all, shall we?  Because any dog has the capability to bite...

Please re-read my posts!  You will find that I have NOT advocated the banning of ANY breed!

Mark

 Then please clarify what you mean by "facing facts"...what would that entail, in your view?

I never claimed the breed didnt have issues or some serious inherant things that need to be bred out. It must make your argument that much easier by labeling me someone who beleives the breed "is lovable and harmless".

I am a active APBT owner and advocate, NOT ignorant of the actual facts. I work very hard to advocate responsible ownership and responsible breeding so please dont put me into that category.

I cant argue with you any longer due to the fact that you believe the breed has standard allows any form of human aggression. If you want to continue this debate I would be happy to once you have correctly educated yourself on the breed and not by what the media has told you. Blaming a breed on a manmade issues is a true sign of your ignoarnce on this particular subject.

Your assumption that there are more bad APBT's then good is another key sign that your opinion is clouded. Thousands of APBT's have their CGC and serve as therapy dogs just like any other breed.

There is almost no point to posting stories like this except to make people defensive and mad.

Marklf may have a point that we may have reached a point where the "Bad" owners outnumber the "responsible" ones, but in my experience this is happening to EVERY SINGLE BREED.

I'm not going to bother arguing this again.  And again, and again, and again.

My dogs are awesome.  No horrifying attack story is going to change that.

Marklf

Thats a lovely myth but the sad fact is every breed of dog has some that will end up being "human aggresive"!  Please tell the 90 year old man that was being eaten alive that those dogs were being "loyal" and "affectionate".

Mark

What? Who? What are you talking about? We all pretty much said these particular dogs have no place in society. Please don't put words in our mouth to proove your point

badrap

My dogs are awesome.  No horrifying attack story is going to change that.

Your right, the love of a APBT is amazing. Damn these pregnancy hormones get the best of me, LOL! I'm so glad we dont have these horrible attacks happening here in my county or the surrounding ones even though we have as many pit bulls as the rest of the country. I do notice the attacks happen in very low income areas and thats a shame but also all the more proof it is a human issue and not a canine one.

badrap

Marklf may have a point that we may have reached a point where the "Bad" owners outnumber the "responsible" ones, but in my experience this is happening to EVERY SINGLE BREED.

I can defiantly relate to this statement.
My favorite breed are Labs (obviously!), and I have sadly seen way more bad owners than good. I have seen so many aggressive Labs, and this breed should never ever be aggressive towards people or dogs. Toy breeds are extremely popular now too, and I have seen so many bad owners with them; people who want to stuff the dog in a cute bag and that's it, no training.

I think the whole situation is sad.

badrap

Marklf may have a point that we may have reached a point where the "Bad" owners outnumber the "responsible" ones, but in my experience this is happening to EVERY SINGLE BREED.

I understand the sentiment, but I still disagree.  Considering how popular breeds like pits and GSDs are, if the majority of owners were so bad they drove the dogs to human aggression, we'd hear about a lot more than we do now.  I think that unfortunately these worse case scenarios are what get press.  Who is going to write an article about my SIL who has a perfectly well-behaved, well-adjusted pit bull who wins the SFSPCA kissing contest regularly and plays with other dogs at the dog park all the time?  (in fact, SHE was recently attacked and had very deep bites, she did not even fight back)  Good dog owners, and even bad dog owners who get lucky with good dogs, don't get any press.  That's really all I see here.  For every article I read about a GSD biting someone, I can find several dozen GSD owners with trained and socialized dogs, but that's not really newsworthy.

My neighbors have a beautiful pit for the wrong reasons and they treat him like crap to look tough and toughen him up.  This dog is still the sweetest, most friendly dog I have met and all he wants to do is get in my yard and play with my dogs.  Even though these are terrible owners, this story alone is a testament to the breed - no matter how hard they try to make this dog mean, he is nothing but a lover.

AuroraLove

I never claimed the breed didnt have issues or some serious inherant things that need to be bred out.

Now go back to my original post and show me anything in that post that contradicts what you have just stated.

AuroraLove

It must make your argument that much easier by labeling me someone who beleives the breed "is lovable and harmless".

I did NOT lable you!!  I replyed to your post in which YOU spoke of your long family history with the breed and that you considered them "family"!  My use of the words "lovable and harmless" does assume that you would not continue your association with the breed if you found them to be unlovable or harmfull!

AuroraLove

I am a active APBT owner and advocate, NOT ignorant of the actual facts. I work very hard to advocate responsible ownership and responsible breeding so please dont put me into that category.

I am not putting you in any "category" I am replying to what YOU post!  You on the other hand seem to have no problem putting me in the "category" of being "ignorant" and advocating banning breeds of dogs!  Neither of which is true!

AuroraLove

I cant argue with you any longer due to the fact that you believe the breed has standard allows any form of human aggression.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in that sentence could you please re-word it so that I can respond?

AuroraLove

If you want to continue this debate I would be happy to once you have correctly educated yourself on the breed and not by what the media has told you.

Thank but I have plenty of "education" on this breed and it did not come from the media but rather from first hand experiences and of course having read just a tad about them.

AuroraLove

Blaming a breed on a manmade issues is a true sign of your ignoarnce on this particular subject.

Where did I "blame" the breed for anything??  If you call acknowleding the reality of what is going on with the breed "blaming" them then you are mistaken!

AuroraLove

Your assumption that there are more bad APBT's then good is another key sign that your opinion is clouded. Thousands of APBT's have their CGC and serve as therapy dogs just like any other breed.

And thousands of them end up in shelters every day!  Did they get there because owners were wonderful?

Mark