pet UNDER-population-the facts

So you're saying it's ok for a 'breeder' to breed over 100 dogs in a years time?

I have no problem with breeding for a purpose - improving a breed, etc. But look in your newspaper- you're saying that all those puppies for sale are not creating a problem - even slight?

Earth to you...but thanks for the controversy.  Have you ever experienced the euth room?

Coleen

Ugh......I'm so sick of these posts. Enough is enough. Maybe those who believe in under population should spend a day in the life of an ACO, or better yet, a day in the life of a euthanizer at a shelter.

I won't even read it.  One thing that defines what I consider to be a reputable breeder is breeding to improve the breed, period.  Supply/demand are incidental, whether that means there are too many or too few.

I didn't read it either. I've read too much on that subject already, and put to sleep too many dogs and cats to even be interested in it.

This is absolutely unbelievable! There is DEFFINATLY on over pop problem! I can prove it!

Come to our shelter. check on Petfinder and Pet Harbor and Dogs in Danger. And then  spend a couple of hours watching Animal Cops on Animal Planet and THEN only then you can come to me and try to convince me that there isn't a problem.

CRAZY!

I don't know much about any of this, buy my impression of shelters from this country at least is that it's more about resources than population. If a dog fails the behaviour test at the RSPCA, it gets put to sleep. There's a kennel for it, and the staff to take care of it, perhaps, but when the powers that be weigh up the cost of housing and feeding the dog against the likelihood of it finding a home and the likelihood of it ending up back in the pound a few months later, or the chances of its successful rehabilitation, they decide it's better for everyone if they put the dog down. Sad, but realistic I guess.

Plenty of dogs in foster being rehabbed, though.  

there's definitely a shortage of PUPPIES in our area. People want puppies. They don't want dogs. They obtain their puppy then dump it at the shelter later when it ceases to be cute and starts to exhibit typical under-trained dog behaviors. Some of the shelters import puppies, which get snapped up while the unruly young adult dogs get euthanized. I think the rescue organizations might want to think about using some of their resources to sponsor very basic dog training classes.

I have no problem with responsible breeding, but I do have a problem with you sticking your head in the sand.  Tell the dogs that end up in the dead bin every day that there is no pet overpopulation.  As mudpuppy said, there is a shortage of puppies.  How many adult dogs have YOU adopted, and from which shelters?  If you get the spaniel journal, can we assume that you are a breeder and worried about your bottom line?  How many breeders do you know that tell PET puppy owners to wait to spay/neuter till the animal is a year old???  Have you ever seen a dead bin at a large SPCA?  Do you think that people who work in shelters WANT to euthanize dogs????  Why on earth would they be doing it if there was shortage????????  To me, the only thing there's a shortage of is people who know what the heck they are doing when it comes to dogs.

spiritdogs

To me, the only thing there's a shortage of is people who know what the heck they are doing when it comes to dogs.

AMEN!!!!!

I don't "get" the spaniel journal, this info is available on line to anyone interested, but that is very nice of you to *content removed, rude* ume my main concern is my bottom line.  Yes, I am a breeder, but I don't want to muddy up this thread with hate posts against what I do.  I did not write this article, but I do agree with it 100%.

Yes, I have seen the kill bin at a large shelter.

and I know quite a few breeders who have spay neuter contracts.

I believe that some dogs just aren't meant to be re-homed, either for health or temperament reasons, and those dogs make up the majority of what you see in those kill bins.

 They keep these shelters open because someone, somewhere, is looking at their BOTTOM LINE, so they get dogs from where ever they are available to keep donations and adoption fees comming in, not because there are just soooo many dogs that need their help.  There is NO DIFFERENCE between me making money from the sale of a dog vs. a rescue charging an outrageous adoption fee for the exact same thing-no difference-It's always about a bottom line.

Those of you who refuse to even read it are the ones burying your heads in the sand, like I said, brainwashed by the propaganda put out to you by your SPCA, PETA, and the like.  Your local shelter may not import, but a majority of the larger ones do, like it or not, it's a fact.  Go ahead and don't read about it, you already have your opinion formed and set in your head...who cares about facts anyway?  Yup, don't let those FACTS get in the way of your all-knowing opinion. 

I'm sure that if reputable breeders banded together against shelter dogs and in favor of well bred dogs produced by by reputable breeders and against the legislations that some are trying to impose upon us, and put it out over the air waves in as big a campaign as the SPCA and PETA do, we would be able to discredit many of the claims they make and convince some of the die-hards.  Take a minute and look behind the big red curtain PETA hides behind!!!  They don't care about the ethical treatment of animals, evidentally, death is a better solution than rehab for them, as they euthanized 97% of the dogs they "rescued" acording to statistics they provided!!!

Izzaboo

I believe that some dogs just aren't meant to be re-homed, either for health or temperament reasons, and those dogs make up the majority of what you see in those kill bins.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!?? You obviously have no clue what goes on behind a shelters doors. You want facts? I have facts. Shelters are in places because people breed cute little puppies.  These cute little puppies grow up to be shoe eating dogs, and are not so cute anymore. So these former loving families dump the formerly loved puppy on a shelter doorstep, and don't look back. THAT'S a fact. Shelters are not doing what they do for money - sorry. try again. I work at a shelter, not for the amazing salary - but because I CARE about these animals that no one else cares for. I have many animals of my own - all rescues. I will NEVER buy from a money-hungry breeder, not my thing. I would rather save an animal.

Izzaboo

Those of you who refuse to even read it are the ones burying your heads in the sand, like I said, brainwashed by the propaganda put out to you by your SPCA, PETA, and the like.

Yea, ok. Tell that to the ACO that had to euthanise a litter of puppies because the shelter could not host them any longer. You can say what you want, but seriously. Don't try to push your 'facts' on people here. Most of the people, including myself, on this board are heavily involved in shelter work and rescue. We turn away animals on a daily basis. And when we do have the room? We are constantly going to other shelters to help out. We 'import' shelter dogs from all over the state - not because we 'need' more animals, but because we are here to HELP those animals. The last thing we want to see is more animals killed.

And your statements about PETA? No one cares about them. PETA is not a kind organization - they believe animals should not be kept as pets. Bottom line. No arguments about that.

Izzaboo

There is NO DIFFERENCE between me making money from the sale of a dog vs. a rescue charging an outrageous adoption fee for the exact same thing-no difference-It's always about a bottom line.

Shelter pets have an adoption fee so that those shelters can continue to do what they do. Like I said before - they are NOT in it for the money. Shelters pet are vaccinated, vet checked, altered, chipped, etc. And cost a lot less than you 'pure bred puppy from champion parents.'

Izzaboo

not because there are just soooo many dogs that need their help.

So you mean to tell me that Babs and her 12 puppies did not need our help? That she would have been just fine living her life in the backyard, staving to death? Producing litter after litter? NO.

YOU need to get your facts straight. Go visit a shelter, and get YOUR head out of the sand.

erica1989

I didn't read it either. I've read too much on that subject already, and put to sleep too many dogs and cats to even be interested in it.

 

 How can you debate against something that you haven't read?

 No one is saying dogs don't die in shelters, just that the reason may not be the "nationwide overpopulation" that AR groups have been pushing for so long. How long did the dogs you killed at the shelter have to find a home? What things were done to promote them to people looking for dogs? What was the criteria was there for determining which dogs lived or died at the shelter? Don't you find it hard to believe the claim of overpopulation across the US, while more and more shelters importing thousands of dogs from other countries (while still blaming US breeders for the "overpopulation";).