Phillipines eating dogs

Bobsk8

You need to stop making general accusations about members of this forum - about how they "do not love dogs" - when it is you yourself who goes around splashing the forums with stories about how awful pit bulls are.

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How on earth can you put a value on an animal life by how well it interact with humans, whether it will do tricks for you, and how well it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Who on earth are we, as humans, to say "all right, your life is worth more because you interact with me and obey me." ? What gives us the say? Who gives us the moral right?

Placing a value on other animals life because of how much they cater to us and how well we can anthropomorphize them is ridiculous.

whtsthfrequency

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How on earth can you put a value on an animal life by how well it interact with humans, whether it will do tricks for you, and how well it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Who on earth are we, as humans, to say "all right, your life is worth more because you interact with me and obey me." ? What gives us the say? Who gives us the moral right?

Placing a value on other animals life because of how much they cater to us and how well we can anthropomorphize them is ridiculous.

I dont think thats what dgriego is saying... i think i understand what sh is trying to say.... i understand it that because dogs are able to bond well with humans, and therefore inspire empathy more readily, it makes it worse to think of atrocities happening to dogs.... and worse still t think og humans doing it.... NOT that dogs are "worth more" than another species.... Although I may have got that wrong.

I understand the concept of different cultures, different ways of eating and treating animals.......there is the talk of harvesting dogs and cats, think about the chinese fur market......that will turn your stomach.......is it that the countries don't understand that these animals suffer when not killed humanely? Is it that they were doing things like this for thousands of years? I don't agree with any of it, but when I look back out how animals for slaughter in our country were treated and killed years ago, and even now......it sends shivers down my spine........do some research on horse slaughter, there are 3 active plants in this country that slaughter horses, not for human consumption in our country, but to satisfy the european taste for it......it makes me sick, all of it......not just what the asians are doing.......I think Shark.com has an undercover video of what horses go through in a slaughter house.......as long as animals are being harvested for food there will always be pain and fear involved.....no such thing as the animal not suffering....just to add, in big processing plants like Con Agra, IBP.....the slaughter rate is 400 head of cattle in one hour, break that down in how fast the cow gets processed.....there isn't enought ime for the animal to die humanely....so, this will bust the myth of humane slaughter ......

dgriego, I apologize if I misinterpreted your idea. I agree that dogs inspire more sympathy and that is why we feel better eating a cow then we do a dog. But my point, inaccurate or accurate, was that we can't say the equivalent of "oh, this child is smarter than that child, therefore we will love this child more" or "this person gives me hugs, therefore, they are worth more than a person who does not give me hugs."

I also wanted to note that again, my objection to this practice is how the dogs are treated, not the fact that they are eating dogs. Inhumane treatment of any animal sickens me. Here in the sticks there are a lot of local farmers who sell meat raised and slaughtered on their farms, and I try my best to buy that as much as my finances will allow (its quite a bit more expensive than most, and I am a student). I do not think there is any inherently wrong with eating meat (my opinion, no bashing). BUT, I am essentially almost a vegetarian myself because it is so hard to find meat that I TRUST, you know?

Chuffy

whtsthfrequency

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How on earth can you put a value on an animal life by how well it interact with humans, whether it will do tricks for you, and how well it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Who on earth are we, as humans, to say "all right, your life is worth more because you interact with me and obey me." ? What gives us the say? Who gives us the moral right?

Placing a value on other animals life because of how much they cater to us and how well we can anthropomorphize them is ridiculous.

I dont think thats what dgriego is saying... i think i understand what sh is trying to say.... i understand it that because dogs are able to bond well with humans, and therefore inspire empathy more readily, it makes it worse to think of atrocities happening to dogs.... and worse still t think og humans doing it.... NOT that dogs are "worth more" than another species.... Although I may have got that wrong.

 That is almost correct Chuffy. I do not think that dogs are better than cows as far as having a basic right to be treated with as much respect as possible, although I will also state that I have no problem with animals being harvested for food. I would like it to be done with as much dignity and respect possible and would not want ANY animal to suffer needlesley (yes even the chickens!).

  But I do hold dogs in higher regard than a cow, that is obvious to me, since I do eat cows and I do not eat dogs, I must therefore hold dogs in higher regard. That does not mean that I disdain cows and wish them harm. I know that the reason that I do not eat dogs is not because of any uncleaness or disgust as I have eaten many types of foods (snails, frog legs, squid). It is because of the relationship I have always had with them, it is because of how they behave and interact with me.

 I cannot see how that can be wrong. I also think that if everyone is honest about it the only people who can claim that all animals are equal in their eyes are the ones that do not eat any animals. If you eat one animal and refuse to eat another then how can you say you hold both animals equal?

 I am having trouble with the concept that some seem to be saying that all animals are the same to them, and yet they eat cows and do not eat dogs and think I am some sort of misfit because I say I hold dogs in higher regard than cows?

 Am I making any sense here? I have returned from a 650 mile round trip to Colorado and back and am most likely not thinking straight enough to state my point.

  Mind you I must clarify that I do hold humans above all animals. Darn, that most likely makes me evil again!

I understand where you are coming from......I am glad your trip went ok

To me all animals are the same....at least when it comes to any of them feeling pain....in China, at this time, live cows are dumped out in front of lions and tigers in zoos, these cats are so fat and overgrown that they have a hard time killing of lifestock in any humane way or time.....I was watching an undercover video, in it was a cow that was alive and being chomped on for about 15 minutes, and it was still going on......the bellowing and painful cries really made me cringe. Any animal feeling pain is the same to me......sorry, a good reason for me not to participate in eating them.

The following is a video taken in Europe,as we all know the europeans are supposed to be more animal friendly....so we think, it is about animals being raised by a family farmer, animals are taken to a local slaughterhouse....the rest is.......well, you judge it.

Caution..... very disturbing video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKvWi6yS4pc

 I cannot see how that can be wrong. I also think that if everyone is honest about it the only people who can claim that all animals are equal in their eyes are the ones that do not eat any animals. If you eat one animal and refuse to eat another then how can you say you hold both animals equal?

Or one that has no problem eating any animal. Now I know this will make me the bad guy. But I believe humans are omnivores and meant to eat meat. If people humanely raised dogs and cats for food, would I have a problem eating dog and cat? No. Does that mean I love my pets any less? Of course not. Animals are all equal to me in the respect that I admire and respect them all, but in the same way I relaize that I am up higher on the food chain than any of them, and can eat them or use them for work. I know I'll catch flak for this and people will think I am completely bizarre but...eh. When I make a "blanket statement" like all animals are equal in my eyes, I mean it. \

whtsthfrequency

Or one that has no problem eating any animal. Now I know this will make me the bad guy. But I believe humans are omnivores and meant to eat meat. If people humanely raised dogs and cats for food, would I have a problem eating dog and cat? No. Does that mean I love my pets any less? Of course not. Animals are all equal to me in the respect that I admire and respect them all, but in the same way I relaize that I am up higher on the food chain than any of them, and can eat them or use them for work. I know I'll catch flak for this and people will think I am completely bizarre but...eh. When I make a "blanket statement" like all animals are equal in my eyes, I mean it. \

Your attitude is the same as my DH's, he has no issue eating meat.........he hates the fact it is a cruel world out there, and would like it all to be totally humane.......but, in the end he knows it's impossible.............believe me, he has been sitting through most animal cruelty clips.......

I, on the other hand believe we have a responsibility for improverment, and better conditions for animals, but, my guess is that greed over rides all......this world wouldn't be right without a 99 cent sandwich.............

Your attitude is the same as my DH's, he has no issue eating meat.........he hates the fact it is a cruel world out there, and would like it all to be totally humane.......but, in the end he knows it's impossible.............believe me, he has been sitting through most animal cruelty clips.......

Not quite. I have a huge issue eating meat. Factory farming and current slaughter practicies absolutely sicken me to the point where I basically cannot make myself buy meat unless I know the farmer personally or can be SURE it comes from a humane source. That is hard to come by and expensive, so I barely eat any meat.

 I have no objection to eating animals. I have HUGE objection to how we go about raising and killing them. That is why i said if we raised any animal humanely, I wouldn't have a problem eating it. It is the fact that we don't which keeps me from being a "true carnivore" as they say.

For what its worth, I dont think its TOTALLY out there to be "able" to eat an animal "normally" viewed as a pet.  Even if you yourself view that species as a pet.  EVEN if you have owned THAT ANIMAL as a pet.  Not that many years ago every family owned a pig, named it, raised it, fed it table scraps... and when the time came, slaughtered it, butchered it and everything was used up bar the squeal........ 

What I have a problem with is when the animal is deliberately caused pain and suffering... I know that inhumane slaughter is widespread for any and all food animals in all parts of the world.... but thats not to say that HUMANE slaughter is completely rare and hard-to-find. I have been to an abbatoir.  A couple of my friends went as well.  Guess what, they USED to be vegetarian.

Chuffy, did you watch the video?

The people at the processing plant knew they were being filmed, so, what do you think happens when not a soul is watching?