Phillipines eating dogs

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    Phillipines eating dogs

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    Ugh. 

    You know, I could never eat a dog. And I see that it's illegal in the Philippines, but I don't think it's morally any more wrong than chowing down on a hamburger. Aren't there some countries who still do it legally?  I understand it seems cruel but it's a cultural thing. What's the difference between eating a cow and a dog? Many people have pigs as pets. And fish and frogs and lambs... We eat them all and don't think a thing of it. (Well, the omnivores among us, anyway.) And Hindus think eating a cow is barbarian, not to mention sacrilege.

     

     

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    Moderator speaking,

    Bob, and everyone else as well...please post articles pertaining to animal cruelty, and dog law issues in the ADVOCACY section. This is the proper section for discussion on these topics.

    This post will be moving there in a bit.

    Thank you.

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    I think that the only reason that this makes it into the media is because of the cultural differences between Americans & Phillipinos.  In the Phillipines, although illegal, it must be considered the "norm" to eat dog meat.  I don't view this as a very big deal.  It's just another story that will be sensationalized by the American media.

    All of this talk of food has me hungry.  I wonder what dachshund tastes like.................

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    BEVOLASVEGAS

    I think that the only reason that this makes it into the media is because of the cultural differences between Americans & Phillipinos.  In the Phillipines, although illegal, it must be considered the "norm" to eat dog meat.  I don't view this as a very big deal.  It's just another story that will be sensationalized by the American media.

    All of this talk of food has me hungry.  I wonder what dachshund tastes like.................

    I would have less of an issue with other cultures eating dog meat if they did not believe that torture and pain increased the taste of the meat.

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    Thanks for the info Chuffy.  I had no idea that the dogs were tortured before being butchered.  That does change my view on this matter.

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    BEVOLASVEGAS

    I think that the only reason that this makes it into the media is because of the cultural differences between Americans & Phillipinos.  In the Phillipines, although illegal, it must be considered the "norm" to eat dog meat.  I don't view this as a very big deal.  It's just another story that will be sensationalized by the American media.

    All of this talk of food has me hungry.  I wonder what dachshund tastes like.................

     

     

    Sometimes when I see stuff posted on this forum ( Advocacy)  , I can't believe that this forum is for people that like  dogs. Just a look at the video shown in this thread,  when they open the back  door to the truck, is enough to turn my stomach, and yet people act like it is " no biggy"....   Unreal!!!   I don't get it.....Tongue Tied

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    Sometimes when I see stuff posted on this forum ( Advocacy)  , I can't believe that this forum is for people that like  dogs. Just a look at the video shown in this thread,  when they open the back  door to the truck, is enough to turn my stomach, and yet people act like it is " no biggy"....   Unreal!!!   I don't get it.....Tongue Tied

     No one said they were okay with the inhumane treatment of the dogs...just that they didn't see a problem with the idea of eating dogs, humane issues aside.

    The idea of "pet" is relative. Just because we love dogs as pets and see them as family members doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't see it our way is barbaric.

     I have pet goats. Many people eat goat meat. Should I be outraged that some people eat goats because I have some as pets? The same goes for my chickens- I eat some of them, but some of them are also pets. Should I freak out at anyone I see eating chicken because some of mine happen to have names? My neighbors have two black angus steers that are 100% pets. What about them? Does the fact that some people have pet cows make eating beef wrong?

     I would never eat dog, personally- but that's down to the culture I was raised in and personal preference, not inherant rights and wrongs. I could also never eat horse meat. Plenty of people are fine with it. One person's pet is another's dinner, and if we're going to get all huffy because some people eat dogs, why does that not extend to animals commonly eaten in America? As illustrated above, MANY people keep common "food" animals as pets.

    Yes, their treatment of the dogs is appaling. Unfortunately, it's not very different at ALL from the way we treat cows, pigs, and chickens on their way to slaughter in the US. Ever seen a trailer hauling spent laying hens to the slaughter house? If you have, you know that they certainly don't look happy. The ones that haven't been smothered or crushed or rained on or frozen yet, that is.

    I think that before we attack other countries for the inhumane treatment of their meat animals, we need to change the way we treat ours. As it is, we just look like ignorant hypocrites. The meat animals in the US suffer just as badly, if not worse, than the dogs shown in that video.

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    Bobsk8
    Sometimes when I see stuff posted on this forum ( Advocacy)  , I can't believe that this forum is for people that like  dogs. ... and yet people act like it is " no biggy"....

     

    It wasn't originally posted in Advocacy and you know that because you posted it. 

    Secondly, nobody said it was "no biggie". We said it's a matter of cultural difference. It's true, a lot of people think the USA should be the world's moral police and everyone should act the way we act or else they're barbarians, but that isn't the case. We can't sit back and slaughter our cows and baby calves, keep them in tight cages so their meat stays tender and ship them to the abattoir and then stand on some sort of high moral ground and look down our noses at people who do the very same thing, only with an animal that we see as special. 

    You're not addressing this hypocrisy at all.   

    Google abattoir video. I'm not saying eating dogs is right or the circumstances under which they're captured and killed is humane. All I'm saying is that we do the same thing with animals here and I don't get how anyone can make excuses for our behavior while vilifying someone else for doing the same thing. That seems to be a popular stance for US citizens and government these days...

     

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     Lots of cultures have eaten dog, including the Europeans. Being Filipino and born in the US, I have the same sentiments as most of you and my parents have being born in the PI, have never eaten dog as they don't condone it.

    During the Kosovo war, one of the survivors had been trying for several days to kill this dog but the dog kept outwitting him until one day he finally got him. Luckily for the dog, there were US soldiers there and stopped it. I believe in the dog resides in the US now.  Mind you, this was an example of survival.

    No matter how you look at it, if you take away the personal attachment or affection, a dog is well ... an animal and always has been one prior to their domestication.


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    I understand about cultural differences but the method and means that they are using to transport these dogs and slaughter them is appalling. I would not want to see a herd of pigs treated with such absolute disregard.

     

     I sent the message, hopefully this is something that they can get a handle on and prevent peoples pets from being stolen and transported in this manner.

     I will also say that I have been to slaughter houses here in the US and was raised on a farm where pigs and cattle were slaughtered. I know that cruelty does exist but I have never seen anything close to what is portrayed in the video. The US has come a long way over the years in how we treat food animals. Maybe we do not have the "right" to insist that they stop eating dogs, but we at least have the right and responsibility to demand that they stop stealing pets and that they treat food animals with some measure of respect.

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    the fact that they are stealing pets also colours how i feel about this issue.  respecting culural differences is all very well but when that becomes an excuse for it to become ok to take away a beloved member of someones family then butcher them, well i can see why folks have a problem with this to say the least.

    i have visited abbatoirs and i can say hand on heart that i had no problem with the procedures there.  i know cruelty goeson, but i believe we are moving forward with respect to this issue.

    having said all that, killing dogs for food IS different to goats or pigs or chickens or cows. reason being, dogs are predator animals and therefore unsuitable to be "farmed".  ive seen a good article on this. i will see if i\can find it.

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    I would not want to see a herd of pigs treated with such absolute disregard.

     But they are. Every day. Google "factory farming" and you'll see how our meat is raised and killed in America. The pork you buy in the grocery store didn't come from pigs who were raised playing in the sunshine and rolling in green grass and going to bed in a comfy hay-lined barn every night, only to die at a ripe old age one day and THEN be shipped in nice impersonal packages to the meat department.

    Meat animals in america are mass produced factory-style, raised in concrete warehouses knee deep in urine and *** or filthy, rusted, tight wire cages, fed crap, and denied even the most basic mental stimulation resulting in confinement induced insanity. They're torn from their mothers at birth (or in the case of chickens, are born in incubators and never see their mothers at all) and then mutilated in order to keep them from self-mutilating in the future when the cobnfinement drives them insane. Chickens have their beaks cut off with hot blades to keep them from pecking each other while crammed 9 deep in cages too small for one. Pigs have their tails cut off and teeth torn out, without anaesthesia, to keep them from biting themselves and each other out of frustration. Cows are (painfully) dehorned and castrated, again, without anaesthesia. Veal calves are torn screaming from their mother's side and chained into dark shipping crates where they lie, sometimes unable to even stand, and fed an iron deficiant diet to keep their muscles soft and white. They lives this way for 12-14 weeks until they are killed.

    Injured animals are beaten to death, crushed with cinderblocks, bashed against walls, or simply left to suffer. Cows in feedlots live in belly-deep swamps of urine and ***.

    During trasport to slaughter, animals are crammed onto trucks EXACTLY in the way those dogs are being transported in the video. Smashed together in tiny cages or trailers  so that many die from stress, heat exhaustion, dehydration, smothering, and crushing. In cold weather some freeze to the insides of the trailers. They are drug off with chains, often resulting in their skin being torn off in the process.

    Once at the slaughterhouse, many animals balk, panic, and try to escape upon hearing the other screaming inside the building and smelling the fear and panic and hot blood. They are beaten, tazered, prodded, and kicked until they give up, fall into line, and wait to die. The entire time they can still hear the screams and smell the blood and fear.

    Cattle and pigs are herded into kill boxes, where they are shot in the head with a captive bolt gun. If done properly, this should instantly render them unconcious. Unfortunately, the people doing the stunning get little to no training on how to do it properly and MANY of the animals are improperly stunned. Instead, they now have just been stabbed in the brain and are in horrible pain...and still fully concious.

    Then, they are hoisted up on chains by their back legs, and have their throats slashed. There IS a humane way to cut an animal's throat- two cuts right below the ears will sever major arteries and the sudden drop in blood pressure leads to almost immediate unconciousness. I have used this method on my chickens and find it to be humane. But in the slaughterhouse videos I've seen, they use a slash all the way across the throught, severing the trachea and esophagus- resulting in the animals being able to aspirate blood into its lungs and panic before losing conciousness. Sometimes they don't cut deeply enough and the animal bleeds out too slowly. Sincer everything in a slaughterhouse is fast paced, the animal simply goes on to the next station and is skinned and dismembered alive. This is very, very common.

    Chickens are thrown by their legs into shackles, often having legs and wings pulled off in the process. Their heads are run through an electrified hot water bath to stun then, and then their throats are cut with automated blades. All a chicken has to do is pull its head up to avoid the electified bath AND the throat slicing blade. They often do, and then they simply have their heads torn off by a worker farther down along the line. Or, they are plucked and disemboweled alive. Both are equally common.

    My father was a truck driver for several years and once, when I was about 11 or 12, I went on a trip with him to haul a load of cattle from a feedlot to a major slaughterhouse. I saw them loaded and unloaded, and everything illustrated above happened to them. I didn't see directly inside the slaughterhouse itself, but I certainly did get to hear their screams. Two cows were down when we arrived, suffering from heat exhaustion, and they were drug off of the truck and left to die in the 100 degree parking lot. As we were leaving, they were being drug into dead piles around the side of the building. I saw one lift her head with great effort and then slowly drop it as she was drug into the pile of dead, rotting corpses.

    It was incredibly traumatic, and to this day I have nightmares about it.

     So, to everyone who is so horrified by the treatment of dogs in the video, please...illustrate to me how our treatment of animals is so different and morally superior here in America? I know of several billion animals stuck in factory farms right now who would probably beg to differ.  

     

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    Ratsicles
    So, to everyone who is so horrified by the treatment of dogs in the video, please...illustrate to me how our treatment of animals is so different and morally superior here in America? I know of several billion animals stuck in factory farms right now who would probably beg to differ.  

     

     I have not witnessed the abuse you describe any the slaughter houses that I have seen. It is never pretty, since killing an animal never is pretty but it is not (again what I have seen) abusive. The only slaughter that I have seen that has been abusive was kosher animals who are bled out.I do not support that practice the way it was done when I wittnessed it.

     There has also been a tremendous amount of regulations and laws passed to try and ensure slaughter house animals are not abused. Again there is no way to make the process 100% calm and wonderful for the animals passing through but I do not believe the abuse is wide scale as you suggest. Any trucker pulled over with cattle stacked to the roof of his truck, laying on top of one another with their mouths taped shut would be prosecuted for animal cruelty and for violating laws regarding the transport of animals.

     That does not mean that a cow never dies in transport, but IMO there is a huge difference in how animals are transported and killed here and what was shown in the video.

     I grew up on a farm and have witnessed pigs and cattle being loaded onto trucks for transport to slaughter, this was over 20 years ago and even then I never saw the type of disregard for the animal as was portrayed in the video.

     I am also aware of a lot of research in regards to slaughter animals and animals kept for food (eggs, milk) to determine what is the best method of keeping them, what wire should the chicken stand on, etc.Many slaughter houses have even gone as far as to bring in animal behaviourlists to assist in making the "march to death" less frightening to the cows and pigs going through. We may have some places that are not in compliance but we do have laws and are making progress in this area. I cannot see how we can be compared to people who steal pets, muzzle them and then stack them like firewood on top of each other in a truck.

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    Ratsicles

    So, to everyone who is so horrified by the treatment of dogs in the video, please...illustrate to me how our treatment of animals is so different and morally superior here in America? I know of several billion animals stuck in factory farms right now who would probably beg to differ.  

     

    i can appreciate totally what you are saying.  but illustrating how bad thyings are for food animals in the us does not make the situation in the phillipines more right, nor does it improve the lot of the dogs there.  if things are (however gradually) improving for food animals in the us (and i can honestly say i dont know about that as im in the uk), then how can it hurt to raise awareness and set the ball rolling for dogs and other meat animals in the phillipines?  to say, well you cant be shocked and appalled by what is happening over THERE because its just as bad HERE is just not logical to me.