Pit Bulls break in home

If you can't 100% guarantee that a dog will never get out of your control, and it is a potentially lethal dog, you shouldn't be permitted to bring it into a community.........

 
You couldn't make that guarantee with your dog so you better get rid of you dog. 
 
No one could make that guarantee after all dogs are animals.
 
 

ORIGINAL: timsdat

If you can't 100% guarantee that a dog will never get out of your control, and it is a potentially lethal dog, you shouldn't be permitted to bring it into a community.........

You couldn't make that guarantee with your dog so you better get rid of you dog. 

No one could make that guarantee after all dogs are animals.

Exactly, and that is why some people don't want certain breeds in their communities. 

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Bob, since you obviously like the sensationalism and controversy...why weren't the owners mentioned at all?  It's the owners that let the dogs run loose, or are you blaming the dogs for that as well?

Sorry.  What happened is the fault of irresponsible handling.  It's unfortunate and quite sad, but the blame clearly lays upon the owners of the two dogs that were allowed to run unfettered through the streets.

It's easy to place the blame on the dogs though-and it's easy to fall prey to the media storm.  It's much harder to actually think.

The owners weren't the ones that broke into the house an attacked the lady. Always the same old Mantra after one of the attacks ,  it's the owners fault ,, it's the victims fault,   it's the media, the story sounds fishy, it's unfortunate, it's sad , yada, yada, yada.....  same old, same old..... Anything to deflect the blame of the attack on the dogs......

Bob, you do realize that dogs are ANIMALS and are therefore unable to form intent, no?  They rely on the HUMANS (you know, the ones with the well developed brains) to take care of and contain them.  If you own a dog you are responsible for that dog's actions PERIOD.  I do NOT understand why you find this concept so difficult to understand.  It is not complicated.  Do you really think that pit bulls have the ability to form intent? THEY ARE DOGS.  It was a HUMAN that allowed them to get into the mental state that they were in, it was a HUMAN that failed to properly manage dogs that were human aggressive, and it was a HUMAN that failed to properly contain them.

BTW--I'll bet your police officer friend will also tell you that if you fail to hit the target with your 12 gauge, you cannot kill the target.  That is how guns work.

Also, your dog appears to me to be a GSD mix of some sort.  I nearly had my throat ripped out by a GSD as a child and both of my dogs (including my pit bull) have come dangorously close to be attacked by them.  GSDs and GSD mixes have killed people.  Therefore, your dog is potentially lethal and should not be allowed into any community by your own standards.....

Timsdat's point was that no one can make a guarentee about their dog, regardless of breed. They're dogs. My dogs have the ability to bite and kill as well--they have legs to run and teeth to bite. Hence, I keep them contained, trained, socialized, and on-leash except in designated fenced areas.

The words I hear used most by people with off-leash ill-behaving dogs? "He's never done that before!" I hear it constantly. Dogs are not predictable, we can not read their minds, there is a first time for everything and with that knowledge, responsible dog owners of all breeds keep their dogs safe and restrained while in public, and securely contained while on their own property.

The owners weren't the ones that broke into the house an attacked the lady. Always the same old Mantra after one of the attacks , it's the owners fault ,, it's the victims fault, it's the media, the story sounds fishy, it's unfortunate, it's sad , yada, yada, yada..... same old, same old..... Anything to deflect the blame of the attack away from the dogs......

 
Actually it's called responsibility, but you'd rather blame dogs than the people. 
 
In fact, I'd be scared if you read about Diane Whipple's murder by dog-you'd blame the dogs rather than the caretakers-who are now in prison.  Blame the dogs for all their problems-don't blame the owners-that creates hysteria, ill founded hysteria. 
 
I think you'd rather "believe the hype" than to sit down and actually examine true underlying fault, at least that is what your posting style indicates.

ORIGINAL: meilani

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: meilani

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Bob, since you obviously like the sensationalism and controversy...why weren't the owners mentioned at all?  It's the owners that let the dogs run loose, or are you blaming the dogs for that as well?

Sorry.  What happened is the fault of irresponsible handling.  It's unfortunate and quite sad, but the blame clearly lays upon the owners of the two dogs that were allowed to run unfettered through the streets.

It's easy to place the blame on the dogs though-and it's easy to fall prey to the media storm.  It's much harder to actually think.

The owners weren't the ones that broke into the house an attacked the lady. Always the same old Mantra after one of the attacks ,  it's the owners, it's unfortunate, it's sad .  I am surprised that the victim hasn't been blamed yet, since she had a dog door in her house.......

Uh Bob, are you saying that if these dogs were properly contained that they somehow would've found a way to get loose so they could go into this womans house to attack her?        

If you can't 100% guarantee that a dog will never get out of your control, and it is a potentially lethal dog, you shouldn't be permitted to bring it into a community.........

I can dig what you're saying but can anyone 100% guarantee that their dog will never get loose? I consider myself to be a responsible owner but there was that time when the wind pushed open my gate and the dogs got loose. Thankfully they just went to the front to "water" the tree and stood in front of the front door waiting to be let in.  otentially lethal dog? Again, considering they have teeth, I would say there's always the potential to be lethal.

No, I can't guarantee that and that is why I would not get a dog that would be dangerous if it did get loose. I have never owned a dog like that, and never would. 

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

The owners weren't the ones that broke into the house an attacked the lady. Always the same old Mantra after one of the attacks , it's the owners fault ,, it's the victims fault, it's the media, the story sounds fishy, it's unfortunate, it's sad , yada, yada, yada..... same old, same old..... Anything to deflect the blame of the attack away from the dogs......

Actually it's called responsibility, but you'd rather blame dogs than the people. 

In fact, I'd be scared if you read about Diane Whipple's murder by dog-you'd blame the dogs rather than the caretakers-who are now in prison.  Blame the dogs for all their problems-don't blame the owners-that creates hysteria, ill founded hysteria. 

I think you'd rather "believe the hype" than to sit down and actually examine true underlying fault, at least that is what your posting style indicates.

If I live in a neighborhood with a couple of PB's that get loose on occassion, I wouldn't  give a rat's behind about what the underlying reason for the attack or whose fault it  is , when one or both of these dogs threatens, my dog, my family, or myself.   The last thing I am going to be thinking about when one of these dog's is attacking, is.. " Gee, I wonder why the dog  is doing that? ". 

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8
The last thing I am going to be thinking about when one of these dog's is attacking, is.. " Gee, I wonder why the dog  is doing that? ". 

And that is why we will always have aggressive dogs of any breed. Because the solution lies in the "why".

If I live in a neighborhood with a couple of PB's that get loose on occassion, I wouldn't give a rat's behind about what the underlying reason for the attack or whose fault it is , when one or both of these dogs threatens, my dog, my family, or myself. The last thing I am going to be thinking about when one of these dog's is attacking, is.. " Gee, I wonder why the dog is doing that? ".

 
I agree with you...if I'm in the moment.  However you can bet that I will take whatever steps necessary to place the blame afterwards.  Or do you not care at all?  No matter what it's the dog's fault? 
 
If that's the case then gosh I guess it's my dog's fault that I don't have filet mignon every night, that I have to own and know how to use a leash, it's my dog's fault that certain people would place blame on his kind for bad behavior rather than on their handlers.
 
Or better yet I blame your dog Bob.  That makes as much sense as what you say.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8
Exactly, and that is why some people don't want certain breeds in their communities. 

 
Some people don't want blacks in their community and some people don't want guns in theirs.  Unfortunately Bob, for people like you, the Supreme Court just won't go along.

Bob,being blatantly bias is just plain ignorance on your part.
Pit bull's are not THE only Dangerous dog on the list of "BAD" Vicious or Dangerous dog list. To name a few,  Rottweiler's, Dalmatian's, German Shepherds, Akita's. There are 75 breeds on this BITE list.from your insurance company's. Which range from Golden's to Chihuahua's. Hence dogs that have teeth will and can BITE under any circumstance. I realize the significance of the injury inflicted by a pit bull is much more serious as opposed to a Chihuahua's bite, in that pit's can cause more damage. That again is the nature of the beast.To feed off the media bias just show's your ignorance and hatred for the breed itself. In my honest opinion.I invite you to do some breed research, meet some ambassador pit's then come back and give us your opinion. Your Pit Bull owner's that are responsible, are caring people who do take pride in their breed,vigilant, knowledgeable do take great care in where their dog is and what their dog is doing. These people do NOT allow their dog's to roam at large, be aggressive, or portray their dog's in any negative light. Why? Because of people like you who are ignorant to the facts of this wonderful breed, it's temperament and over all energetic personality. As someone else stated, not all the fact's are at play here. I also agree now they pointed out something of interest to me is the doggy door, where are the owner's of these dogs? Why have they not been mentioned here? And lastly why did you provide the link to discussion and not the article itself? 

I invite you to do some breed research, meet some ambassador pit's then come back and give us your opinion

 
If I had a pittie I wouldn't let him meet my dog.  He's already stated previously that if a pibble was to even look at him he'd mace it. 

ORIGINAL: timsdat

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If you can't 100% guarantee that a dog will never get out of your control, and it is a potentially lethal dog, you shouldn't be permitted to bring it into a community.........

You couldn't make that guarantee with your dog so you better get rid of you dog.

No one could make that guarantee after all dogs are animals.




Exactly, and that is why some people don't want certain breeds in their communities.

ORIGINAL: Bobsk8

ORIGINAL: timsdat

If you can't 100% guarantee that a dog will never get out of your control, and it is a potentially lethal dog, you shouldn't be permitted to bring it into a community.........

You couldn't make that guarantee with your dog so you better get rid of you dog. 

No one could make that guarantee after all dogs are animals.

Exactly, and that is why some people don't want certain breeds in their communities. 

 
I guess my fear agressive JJ should be put down then huh?   Maybe I should talk to someone about banning greyhounds in my community.

ORIGINAL: forpaws

And lastly why did you provide the link to discussion and not the article itself?

Isn't that exactly what I did

ORIGINAL: dgriego

There are a lot of things wrong with this story. The lady had small dogs and a dog door. Did she not have a fence? it seems that perhaps wherever she is that the dogs were able to go outside into the "world" via the dog door? Were the "pit bulls" also "running free"? I guess it is "possible" to have these dogs leap a fence and come into a dog door but it seems unlikely. How big was this dog door? Most people with small dogs have a small dog door. True PitBulls are fairly wide in the chest and I cannot see them easily getting through a small or medium size dog door.

Sounds to me like both "owners" were negligent.

A disabled woman, asleep in her bed. How on earth is that negligent?

Where does it say that the lady had small dogs?
"after the pit bulls attacked the woman they went after a neighbor's Jack Russell...."

How does not having a fence or too big of door make you negligent?

I understand everyones need to discredit bias misinformation against Pit Bulls, but to twist things and suggest that this poor woman brought this upon herself in anyway, to me crosses the line when attempting to defend the reputation of this or any breed. The negligence lies totally with the Pit Bull owners - Period!